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Qshka Jah, 04.08.2013 14:11

In the courtyard saw a huge caterpillar black, oily, long, at the end of the blue spike. flat snout, hairless body. what is it? We live in Novosibirsk. Thank you

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17.06.2015 10:20, Alla Umnova

Basil, hello! Many thanks and acknowledgment and for the advice :) Unfortunately, in my case, only their own fees (which, even though it is necessary to spread) have all the necessary information. And I have such a little bit. Woe is me, but about a half thousand copies of my collection, at best, marked the country.I understand that my collection does not have any scientific value, but is still trying to determine the species. Thanks by the way, great, all enthusiasts of your wonderful site - in many ways it helped me a lot, a little book.And, if you still question whether the site photos from amateur like me? I have some views that the photos on the site have little or no, let's say, with underside. Tropical copper-butterfly, which has views of the photos on the website do not. Do I need it? I'm going to take pictures of the meeting, but was not sure whether the material is useful site.

17.06.2015 21:34, Alex Dumchus

Me, as a man once close to science, though in a completely different field, always touches the phrase - "scientific value", especially as applied to private collections.
Answer the question-who cares? It is necessary first of all to -sebe! Well, there is a desire - to collect butterflies.Question to all- how many people from your inner circle is still interested in this? I - as a childhood friend and Boris Stradomsky, but he lives in another city and "imprisoned" by blues.
Another question-how many people recently showed you their collection, so to speak, for scientific purposes?
Exactly...Do you know how many butterflies are now bred in kennels? I have been in three different countries, so there is still present species is not typical for the area. Of course this applies to commercial butterfly (unfortunately!), Ie rare and beautiful.
Why then say that the butterfly without labels - as it were, and not a butterfly, as well as an element of decor ...like saying that the egg is obtained at the poultry farm no longer an egg at all ... Another example, for example, about the non-indigenous inhabitants of America ... etc.
By the way, I got grown and Maak bianorov from China and they are visually indistinguishable from our own.And, sorry, according to the same Stradomsky, whose opinion I trust, from dried, then soaked again and dried butterflies -genetiki almost vytyanesh.In addition, many butterflies escape from the nursery, forming natural areas already - I caught dryas julia in Tae and caligo memnon in northern Mexico, simply because they are bred on farms there.For me, bred at home graellsia isabellae much steeper than caught in the Apennines, where they are almost gone - so I saved a couple of wild !!!
In addition, bringing butterflies in captivity watching much more, so to speak from a scientific point of view.
Is it not so that Vasili - you're deduced Pavon.And worse than your Pavonia wild?
By the way, is now trying to bring up piri to breed in sufficient quantity, we naturally left them very little.
So, Alla, expose, and we'll determine which country or nursery look.

18.06.2015 7:55, Alex Dumchus

Alexander. Do you know the percentage of people engaged in professional (genetics, cooking genitals, etc. ....), ie, these entomologists, and, as you call them - "collectors picture" of the world, or at least the country? 1: 10000 .......... 0.Given this factor, then WHOSE opinion has the right to life?
I myself as a child dreamed of becoming an entomologist, but in Rostov University at the Faculty of Biology has been a great competition and had to enter the Polytechnic ... what now, after many years, do not regret.Public funding of this science and then it was poor, but now something that even though there ???
Or rests on the shoulders of the poor intuziasty-entomologists and all research at their own expense? Exactly...
And I thank God that the money is not paid, and have the opportunity to travel around the world for fun, catch butterflies, to acquire them, taking pictures, that is.e. indirectly, in any way contribute to "amateur pictures" in lipedopterologiyu. And we, of millions of ...

18.06.2015 8:30, Svetlana Shchavelina

Sorry, inserting their 5 cents.
Once upon a time in my youth, too, was "turned" on butterflies, but the biological faculty of Moscow State University .... I do not shine, so I went to tehvuz what is now absolutely no regrets. Butterflies and other insects like until now, but do not collect in the first place by conviction, and secondly because it is far from entomology.Touching love insects, love does not kill the youth, having fun taking pictures. From time to time I'm in the tropics who are bad copies of the photos from the wild? This is also a kind of gathering of pictures ... and is convinced that such material from the site certainly would not be worse.Do not chase us when we went here, it is certainly not because they "ran past" ....

18.06.2015 10:56, Peter Khramov

If there is geography - it is always advisable to specify.
If not - still loaded better without geography than nothing. And you can always remove Fautua.
Essno, we need not only dnevnits foty Russia, just under them now scheduled spetsprozhekt pilot.
The scientific value of an object / action can assess sane researcher.To save or not to save a wild couple of butterflies - a purely moral issue. On the preservation of the species is not affected.
What you need to "protect nature" and "save the species" (and whether) - the answer is not so obvious.Value for collectors of pictures and entomologists matters to the business plan of the enterprise entomological focus on something, whose opinion has the right to life, and whose does not have, it does not affect.
Public funding of this science is now much better than 10-15 years ago. And in general, how much was there at Tanasiichuk ..."Your life is not rich, but interesting." However, this is with the artists / writers: you can not write - do not write. Accordingly, it can not be engaged in entomology - not engaged.
A site with us all. Who photographs who catches who takes and who is an entomologist. So we continue to live together, and certainly no one is persecuted, yeah.

18.06.2015 10:59, Alexandr Zhakov

Gentlemen, you have not understood correctly. :) I explain your position (not to be confused with the position of the site).
The site is designed all who is interested in butterflies. Nature lovers, curious children and adults, wildlife photographers, collectors, amateurs and scientists. All place here.:)
It needs pictures, especially qualitative, that there was an opportunity to identify. It is sad to see the poor quality photos, broken into the trash or negligent butterflies pictures butterflies casually straightened. Disappointing lack of geography and the date of recording or photographing.It's one thing when they do not exist, there is no label under the butterfly, lost data is negative (in this case, select it, that would not think badly of laziness or a special acumen to expose the photo). Another thing is when the author just too lazy to fill in two lines, or so he thinks, and come down, everyone should be grateful to me that I leave a photo.Now the answer to Alexander. Alexander, I know people who collect butterflies seriously, much more than "philatelists" I'm not talking about scientists who are engaged in this for the money, they usually are not collectors (with rare exceptions).If you mean the ratio of 1:10 000, engaged in professional (for money, but not all of them even cook drugs, not to mention the analysis of the gene), and those with five butterflies in a box from under sweets, then probably yes. I mean serious collectors, the collection of which is occupied by tens and hundreds of boxes and butterflies go by the thousands.None of them does the gene. analysis, research drugs unit, but to put in their collections of butterflies without labels they will not. Some people collect butterflies live where others make long expeditions (of course at their own expense), their collections have a certain scientific and material value.Collecting butterflies without labels, and often without defining or srednepotolochnogo definition, is the initial stage of many collectors, some very quickly grow out of short pants, others remain at this level forever (and it is quite satisfied,and it is their full right) and such people targeted industry for the removal of butterflies on farms, production of various monsters, the description of forms and subspecies empty. This is the "Philatelists." For you. Alexander, it passed stage, by the fact that you can see for your collection, just stay :) nostalgia for this period, but it will pass.:)) Among collectors of butterflies, "philatelists" minority.
:))

Professionals to the site almost do not go, they are not interested.

18.06.2015 18:39, Alex Dumchus

Alexander. I'm not as delicate as your friends and collectors happy to buy butterflies, grown on the farm, the more that they are always excellent quality. Especially if you can not catch this instance in nature.Figuratively speaking: you can walk into the woods to kill a wild boar meat and eat it, this will be someone better - wood, wild boar hunters, or - I do not know, but you can buy a pork tenderloin, well, or grow it.
Moreover, not all corners of the forest (ie the world) can be reached.And how do you propose to catch ornithopter? Try to catch the nature or aleksandrae viktoriae- ... and you will be up to life. Previously, for Ulysses caught almost executed. That's why the need and the farm. Thank aziatam- they started breeding ptitsekrylok, butanitisov, and of other CITES.Until this has gradually reach Latinos, and there, staring, and Africa is ripe. Remember the fate of our (or Belarus), bison, and other Far Eastern tigers. And why do not we raise lyudorfy and other sericin? Or Swallowtail, Polixenes, Podalirius - they are found in your region. An overabundance of butterflies in nature will not be, especially with some of our ecology.In addition, the farm also perform additional educational function, as well as many butterflies just get away from there, or they are released (as on Phukete- h. Bolina) and they multiply there, in nature. Farms are doing a good job.
Also, I want to insert a word about the geography: the local population, especially in Africa, yu.Ameriki, and in the southeast.Asia this sin, do not bother with the definition of coordinates. In fact - and the time too (well, if you specify a month). It then collectors and dealers come up with what they want, and sometimes they do not bother yourself with this.Therefore, in a variety of collections set of accurate data, at least in Africa, and in general in the tropics, invented!
So what, then, and not kollektsionirovat- types of butterflies, no, I will not take it - it is not an exact date! Or geography! In general, the purity of the race it does not, from the slaves received and slave grown, it is not kosher.And as for me, and dvornyazhka- dog, as long as the soul was!

19.06.2015 8:11, Alla Umnova

I really philatelist :) In '89 saw souvenir framed butterflies and propane)), then moved on though not badly glued to the frame, but still with the labels on the exact place and date - units ((trying to read something,But the book was not then really get it - Encyclopedia Smart was for happiness - for my level :) And after school time hobby has become smaller.
But the butterfly still collected and photographed them, I still will. Technical issue - because a decent number of butterflies was purchased with a proud inscription sp.and I have determined their own how best to proceed?
Spread here to confirm / refute or immediately upload to the site? I go try the way to master the process of pouring ph.And spread the originals, or even be better to crop the photo? Does the date of shooting - because in my case, it is with the butterfly is not related?
And with the quality, look - is acceptable or should be better?