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24.06.2007 21:36, алекс 2611

His abdomen is still sphex... and the tendrils are twisted)

Vida Ammofila hirt can't find it on the Internet at all - _ - Any links?


A typo, damn it, turned out! Ammophila hirsuta.

I was not too lazy, I got out the literature. You are looking at representatives of the subgenus Ammophila, and this is probably the subgenus Podalonia ( some authors distinguish it as an independent genus).
A.(P.) hirsuta Scop., A.(P.) affinis Kirby,
and A.(P.) luffi Saund are found in the Moscow region. It is possible to find A.(P.) fera Lep.
They have both a belly and antennae... These are, frankly, not distinguishing features. If only your photos showed the veins of the front wing...

24.06.2007 21:44, Sparrow

I agree Hirsuta looks VERY similar) I'm not an expert in E-mail unfortunately.

http://aramel.free.fr/Podalonia-hirsuta-4.jpg

But this is clearly her) Thank you for filling in the gap in knowledge)

25.06.2007 9:10, алекс 2611

I agree Hirsuta looks VERY similar) I'm not an expert in E-mail unfortunately.

http://aramel.free.fr/Podalonia-hirsuta-4.jpg

But this is clearly her) Thank you for filling in the gap in knowledge)


In general, it is not difficult to confuse Ammophila and Sphex. If the photo wasn't from the Moscow region.... But Sphex near Moscow, in my opinion this is unlikely...

25.06.2007 10:27, Bad Den

We kind of have them...
In any case, I heard something like that from M. Mokrousov out of the corner of my ear, but I'm not 100% sure.

UPD
Now asked - really caught sphexy have us, in St. Pustyn (Arzamas district), Dzerzhinsk (in the industrial zone), Gaginsky district.

25.06.2007 10:38, Alexander Zarodov

2 alex 2611:

Please take a look at the correspondence from message #183. If not sfex, then who?

25.06.2007 16:08, алекс 2611

  2 alex 2611:

Please take a look at the correspondence from message #183. If not sfex, then who?


The most reliable way to distinguish between Ammophila and Sphex is to look at the forewing veins. They differ very easily and with a high degree of confidence. In this photo, the veins are not really visible and it is difficult to say anything...
Previously, I thought that Sphex is not found in the Moscow region, but after reading the Bad Den message, I begin to seriously doubt this: The Nizhny Novgorod region does not seem to be much south of Moscow, there are steppe areas.
So I'm afraid the ancestral identity of this perepon will remain a mystery
(if you haven't caught it).
In general, if you are photographing stinging hymenoptera, then try to take at least one photo of the "beast" with its wings unfurled. Well, it helps a lot.
Damn, what a bore I've become....

25.06.2007 16:09, алекс 2611

UPD
Now I asked - really caught sphexy here, in St. Pustyn (Arzamas district), Dzerzhinsk (in the industrial zone), Gaginsky district.


What kind of look have you ever seen???

25.06.2007 22:01, Tigran Oganesov

As far as I remember, V. Beiko said that he saw sphexovs in Krylatskoye.

26.06.2007 12:17, amenhotepov

Is she really Ammophila?

user posted image

26.06.2007 12:20, amenhotepov

And here they are together Scolia Gigantumand Amorphilia? Am I right? smile.gif

user posted image

26.06.2007 17:58, алекс 2611

As far as I remember, V. Beiko said that he saw sphexovs in Krylatskoye.


Did you see it or catch it? If caught, what kind?

26.06.2007 17:59, алекс 2611

Is she really Ammophila?

user posted image



Either Ammophila or Sphex

26.06.2007 23:17, Bad Den

Amophilla is somehow more slender than Sphex, more elongated...

27.06.2007 11:13, Sparrow

It is necessary that someone posted pictures of the veins of the front wing of sphex and ammophila... and I'll go try to catch another wasp over the weekend wink.gif

27.06.2007 14:49, алекс 2611

Amophilla is somehow more slender than Sphex, more elongated...


Dear Ban Den. Oh, believe the old osofil (sfecid catch read a quarter of a century). Ammophiles from the subgenus Podalonia can be distinguished externally from Sphex figs. Venation and venation again...
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27.06.2007 14:55, алекс 2611

It is necessary that someone posted pictures of the veins of the front wing of sphex and ammophila... And I'll go try to catch another wasp this weekend wink.gif


Sorry there is no scanner....
You don't understand the venation of the wings of stinging hymenoptera at all (at least at the level of: radial - medial cells)? I would try to explain. Everything is quite simple there.

27.06.2007 19:55, Sparrow

there is literature on hymenoptera - explain the breakup

27.06.2007 22:14, Konstantin Shorenko

Most likely Ammophila sabulosa L. It is a common type for the European part of the former USSR, as well as for Central Asia and Kazakhstan. I was more interested in the caterpillar. Isn't she from the Geometridae, by any chance?" In terms of food specialization, these wasps are not very picky among caterpillars.

27.06.2007 22:22, Sparrow

http://www.nuzban.scholaris.pl/zwierz/s/szczepia/szp_01.jpg

well, it doesn't look like sabulosa at all....

27.06.2007 22:59, Alexander Zarodov

27.06.2007 23:10, amenhotepov

If you'll excuse me, what's the difference between them other than the name? Different habits or something?

27.06.2007 23:21, amenhotepov

This is me to the question - Either Ammophila or Sphex. Here, I found another photo of her.

user posted image

27.06.2007 23:38, Konstantin Shorenko

Dear Sparrow,!! I understand this wasp is originally from Moscow or the Moscow region. And if this is so, then the following species of the genus Ammophila Kirby, 1798 are found in this region (this is exactly this genus, not to be confused with Podolonia, sometimes considered as a subgenus of Ammophila according to the old taxonomy)
A. hungarica Mocsáry, 1883
A. elongata Fisher-Waldhein, 1843
A. occipitalis F. Morawitz, 1890
A. gracillima Taschenberg, 1869
A. sareptana Kohl, 1884
A. terminata Smith, 1856
A. campestris Latreille, 1809
A. pubescens Curtis, 1829
A. heydeni Dahlbom, 1845
A. sabulosa (Linnaeus, 1758) (Sphex)
Judging by the phthography, this species is close to sabulosa, but it is more accurate to take the 1978 determinant of the European part of the USSR vol. III opr. table by V. Pulavsky and run it through all the antitheses. My opinion is that habitually it is sabulosa (if it is large). And if it's small, maybe campestris.

27.06.2007 23:43, Sparrow

Original photos with a wasp please see what I posted)

I'll attach them again...

I don't see any similarities with Ammophila at all.. It still looks like Podalonia... on sfex too) but all the photos of Ammophila don't even remotely resemble this creature the size of half a matchbox wink.gif

This post was edited by Sparrow - 27.06.2007 23: 44

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27.06.2007 23:43, Konstantin Shorenko

By the way, according to the photo of amenhotepova, Podolonia is sitting on the flower, and most likely the male P. tydei (Le Guillou, 1841). A sphexy from ammophila clearly differ venation.

27.06.2007 23:50, Konstantin Shorenko

Thank you for the photo "SphexThese three photographs show Podolonia hirsuta (Scopoli, 1763) (Sphex). The species was indeed described as Sphex, but its venation later placed it in the subgenus and then in the independent genus Podolonia. I just don't remember these animals from Moscow... I have mostly views from Central Asia and partly from the Crimea. Although in recent times, what just does not happen with this warming!

27.06.2007 23:53, Sparrow

Dormidont I am also 100% sure that this is Podolonia hirsuta wink.gif

The specimen was caught in Moscow in the south - in Tsaritsynsky Park) The wasp looked extremely atypical so I chased it)

27.06.2007 23:56, Konstantin Shorenko

Help plz determine.
All Moscow region Domodedovo district

photo 4: Ectemnius cephalotes (Olivier, 1792) (Crabro)
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28.06.2007 0:08, Konstantin Shorenko

Well, this is a typical desert xerophytic species. Apparently, due to the abnormally hot summer, the migration of this heat-loving southern species has become possible. they fly very well and far. A few years ago, a similar situation was with another wasp from podsem. Sphecinae - Sceliphron (H.) curvatum (Smith, 1870). The Far Eastern species spread throughout Europe, and began to compete with the usual for this region - Sceliphron destillatorium (Illiger, 1807).

28.06.2007 0:11, Konstantin Shorenko

By the way, dear Sparrow, at this address http://www.nuzban.scholaris.pl/zwierz/s/szczepia/szp_01.jpg it is A. sabulosa that is located here, not hirsuta.

28.06.2007 0:15, Sparrow

Dear Dormidont, read carefully) I posted a picture of sabulosa yes.. and I wrote that it doesn'T LOOK LIKE wink.gifHER at all, but the photos of Podolonia were on the previous page)

28.06.2007 8:50, Tigran Oganesov

Well, this is a typical desert xerophytic species. Apparently, due to the abnormally hot summer, the migration of this heat-loving southern species has become possible. they fly very well and far.

Yes, this often happens. I was just amazed to see Philantus and Bembix in Moscow at the time.
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28.06.2007 14:34, Alexander Zarodov

And this one, Ichneumonidae?

Pictures:
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28.06.2007 18:17, Sparrow

Yes, this often happens. At one time, I was simply amazed to see Philantus and Bembix in Moscow.



I can't help but notice that I see Philanthus regularly in Moscow. But Bembix is rare but also available)

28.06.2007 22:25, алекс 2611

Friends, let's not get carried away with myth-making. At the moment I am sitting at a table and admiring the prisoners caught in the north of the Leningrad region
Ammophila (Podalonia) hirsuta и Philanthus triangulum.
And why should they not be found in our country, if in the notorious green determinant about A. hirsuta it is written in white in Russian: it is found everywhere.

28.06.2007 22:27, алекс 2611

Maybe you catch sawflies, too? smile.gif This wasp was assigned to Tenthredinidae, but the genus was not determined, although venation is still tight here shuffle.gif
Thank you in advance!


Alas frown.gifIn pililshikh ah vaashche not understand...There is no determinant...

28.06.2007 22:39, алекс 2611

there is literature on hymenoptera - explain it to me


At the leading edge of the wing is a radial cell. There are 3 radio-media cells under it. And from below, two return veins flow into the radiomedial cells. In Sphex, the return veins flow into different radio channels. cells (in the second and third), and in Ammophila( in the broad sense) both veins flow into one cell.
In general, I promise to buy a scanner in the fall and torment everyone with wing veins of wasps, bees and some flies....

28.06.2007 22:49, алекс 2611

Dear Sparrow,!! I understand this wasp is originally from Moscow or the Moscow region. And if this is so, then the following species of the genus Ammophila Kirby, 1798 are found in this region (this is exactly this genus, not to be confused with Podolonia, sometimes considered as a subgenus of Ammophila according to the old taxonomy)
A. hungarica Mocsáry, 1883
A. elongata Fisher-Waldhein, 1843
A. occipitalis F. Morawitz, 1890
A. gracillima Taschenberg, 1869
A. sareptana Kohl, 1884
A. terminata Smith, 1856
A. campestris Latreille, 1809
A. pubescens Curtis, 1829
A. heydeni Dahlbom, 1845
A. sabulosa (Linnaeus, 1758) (Sphex)
Judging by the phthography, this species is close to sabulosa, but it is more accurate to take the 1978 determinant of the European part of the USSR vol. III opr. table by V. Pulavsky and run it through all the antitheses. My opinion is that habitually it is sabulosa (if it is large). And if it's small, maybe campestris.


In general, the "green determinant" about A. elongata Fisher-Waldhein, 1843, A. occipitalis F. Morawitz, 1890, A. gracillima Taschenberg, 1869, A. sareptana Kohl, 1884 persistently writes: south-east ( as I understand it - this is the Astrakhan region. and other Kalmykia). And about A. hungarica Mocsáry, 1883 also reports: Central Asia. Is all this really found in the Moscow region????

28.06.2007 23:01, алекс 2611

Photo 4: Ectemnius cephalotes (Olivier, 1792) (Crabro)


Well I do not know... Something could be said by considering the proportions of the segments of the antennae, the sculpture of the mid-spine, the size of the cheeks and the structure of the prothorax.
If the general feeling is that all my Ectemnius cephalotes specimens are less yellow in color.

29.06.2007 9:36, Tigran Oganesov

I can't help but notice that I see Philanthus regularly in Moscow. But Bembix is rare but also available)
I say that in due time. Now I know several stable populations of both comrades.

Friends, let's not get carried away with myth-making. At the moment I am sitting at a table and admiring the prisoners caught in the north of the Leningrad region
Ammophila (Podalonia) hirsuta и Philanthus triangulum.
Here's how, I never would have thought that Philanthus would get this far.

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