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Identification of Orthoptera (grasshoppers, crickets, etc.)

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02.09.2011 16:50, Dichelima

Ukraine, Kherson region, late August 2011. In the low grass on the bank of the river. The female. Tetrix subulata (Linnaeus, 1758)?

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More photos of the male: 1, 2, 3, a male next to a female: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and females separately: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8.

This post was edited by Dichelima - 02.09.2011 16: 58

02.09.2011 19:29, DanMar

Thank you for your question, Anax chernobila. I also caught a cricket the other night. It's just a pity that it doesn't look very nice, the foot is torn off. Dear experts, please help us determine. Kiev, August 28, 2011 Caught in the gap between the curb slabs:

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Here is another photo, the resolution is slightly higher: 1, 2, 3, 4.

A cricket, like a domesticus, but depending on what size, it can also be a modicogrylus, although I don't know if this species is synanthropic and is found in cities. Is its color the same as the original one? Did he sing?

02.09.2011 19:46, DanMar

Does cantans go that far east? Isn't it ussuriana?


In my opinion, there are no Ussurians in Buryatia, but the kantans seem to be dying (here). Although the Ussurian is also indistinctly marked.

03.09.2011 10:31, Anax chernobila

How to distinguish these types of skates?

03.09.2011 10:33, Anax chernobila

A cricket, like a domesticus, but depending on what size, it can also be a modicogrylus, although I don't know if this species is synanthropic and is found in cities. Is its color the same as the original one? Did he sing?

My crickets are big (about the size of a fingernail) even bigger and sang so that you can hear them all over the street!

03.09.2011 13:04, PVOzerski

>How to distinguish these types of skates?
From other skates - along the very narrow opening of the tympanic organ. But to distinguish between each other is hard. Of course, their songs are different - but this is good only in the field or in the presence of recordings/waveforms, and it is suitable only for males. In principle, they have different rows of chirping spines on the inside of their hind thighs-but you can't see this in ordinary photos. The rest - all sorts of subtle differences in the proportions of the wings. At the very least, only males of Ch. biguttulus can be distinguished from others in the photo - they have a slightly different shape of the elytra.
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03.09.2011 21:41, Dichelima

Of course, their songs are different - but this is good only in the field or in the presence of recordings/waveforms, and it is suitable only for males.
Tell us, such recordings and waveforms that are available on the sites tetrix.narod.ru and sounds.evol.nw.ru, fit?
In principle, they have different rows of chirping spines on the inside of their hind thighs-but you can't see this in ordinary photos.
It's very interesting! And you can explain in more detail, pliz ...

This post was edited by Dichelima - 03.09.2011 22: 13
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04.09.2011 10:07, PVOzerski

Here are some links.

http://www.google.ru/url?sa=t&source=web&c...9iq-kKQ&cad=rjt

http://www.google.ru/url?sa=t&source=web&c...K0U-_UQ&cad=rjt

Materials on acoustics from the mentioned sites (tetrix and nwsounds), I think, are suitable. But not the fact that they will be enough for all occasions.

This post was edited by PVOzerski - 04.09.2011 10: 11

04.09.2011 13:26, Dichelima

Interesting articles. So, in the vicinity of the village� Locusts from the genus Chortippus, which have a long stridulation keel with sparse spines in the upper part, were found in the Erzin region of Southern Tuva. It was first named Ch. yersini, and then it was recognized as an independent species - Chorthippus porphyropterus porphyropterus (Vorontsovsky, 1928) stat. et comb. n. But if the stridulation keel length and acoustic signal are not taken into account, it is extremely similar to Ch. bigutulus.

Well, that's very interesting. This means that in order to distinguish different species from the genus Chorthippus, it is necessary not only to have a determinant at hand, but also to read and analyze a large number of scientific papers, as well as work with materials from zoological collections. Please advise more literature!

04.09.2011 16:34, Pliss A

Good evening!

Whether it is possible to determine it from this image, at least up to the genus.
Altai Krai, Krasnoshchekovsky district 5 km west of the village of Tigirek, Silur, ostepnenny lug. 11. VIII.
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04.09.2011 18:01, PVOzerski

Isophya altaica seems to live there. I can't guarantee whether this particular view is shown in the photo, but the probability is very high.

This post was edited by PVOzerski - 04.09.2011 20: 45
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04.09.2011 18:07, PVOzerski

It is useful to read O.'s works on hortippuses. von Helversen, and among our own-there are interesting works by A. A. Benediktov and M. M. Sychev (for example, http://tele-conf.ru/zhiznedeyatelnost-rast...trazhenie.htmlWell, and of course, see the references in these articles.

P.S. Now I have Ch. mollis from the Pskov region sitting at home-he looks like biguttulus, but he sings differently. If I manage to record it , I'll post the song on the Internet.

This post was edited by PVOzerski - 04.09.2011 18: 17
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04.09.2011 20:59, boroda62

Help identify these "grasshoppers".
All shot in Croatia, on the island of Rab.
The first three photos are from July of this year, and the last ones are from August of this year.
Thanks!

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04.09.2011 21:02, PVOzerski

All but the last one is Anacridium aegyptium (the penultimate photo is an adult male, the rest are larvae).
The last photo is a female Pholidoptera.
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04.09.2011 21:56, Dichelima

As for A. A. Benediktov and M. M. Sychev, everything is clear - these authors are engaged in the taxonomy and phylogeny of eroptera, but as for von Helversen, I understand that this author mainly studies acoustic signals and the physiology of animals associated with their transmission and perception, including the example of eroptera from the genus Chortippus ... Well, good! Follow the links-yes, this is the path to knowledge!

Tell me, PVOzerski, what kind of instrument is needed to record the acoustic signal of straight-winged insects? I mean, what should be the sensitivity of the microphone, is it possible to buy such a device in ordinary computer hardware stores, or do you need a special device for purely scientific research?

04.09.2011 22:05, PVOzerski

I also write locusts and crickets for household appliances (Soviet microphones of the 70s are good). But with grasshoppers it is more difficult: the spectrum of their signals is usually strongly shifted to high frequencies. Accordingly, not only household audio equipment, but also ordinary computer sound cards are not suitable.

04.09.2011 22:30, Dichelima

.. good Soviet microphones of the 70s ...
And what can you recommend in the absence of such microphones? Maybe some DVD recorders?

04.09.2011 22:36, bials

It was found in the Moscow Region, Odintsovo district, Petelino station. 04.09.2011. confused.gif
I discovered this miracle in my shed in the morning when I put out the lamp in the morning (to attract moths). It is clear that I immediately caught him and put him in a cage where he lived with me until the photo shoot. He ate the butterfly offered to him.
What kind of praying mantis is this?
I wonder if there were any other cases of mantis finds in the Moscow region?
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04.09.2011 23:25, Dichelima

What kind of praying mantis is this? I wonder if there were any other cases of mantis finds in the Moscow region?
Dear bials, I think this is the most common Mantis religiosa (Linnaeus, 1758). Only this insect does not belong to the order Orthoptera (Straight - winged), but belongs to the order Mantoptera-Praying Mantis. Of course, there were cases of this species being found in the Moscow region (it is widespread in the direction south of Moscow).
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04.09.2011 23:58, DanMar

Help identify these "grasshoppers".
All shot in Croatia, on the island of Rab.
The first three photos are from July of this year, and the last ones are from August of this year.
Thanks!

The latter is most likely eupholidoptera chabrieri.
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05.09.2011 14:35, Anax chernobila

It was found in the Moscow Region, Odintsovo district, Petelino station. 04.09.2011. confused.gif
I discovered this miracle in my shed in the morning when I put out the lamp in the morning (to attract moths). It is clear that I immediately caught him and put him in a cage where he lived with me until the photo shoot. He ate the butterfly offered to him.
What kind of praying mantis is this?
I wonder if there were any other cases of mantis finds in the Moscow region?
picture: ________01.15.JPG

Could you give this mantis to me (at least when it dies)? mol.gif mol.gif mol.gif I love mantises very much and would like to start them, but I don't know where to give them...

05.09.2011 14:38, Vlad Proklov

All but the last one is Anacridium aegyptium (the penultimate photo is an adult male, the rest are larvae).
The last photo is of a female Pholidoptera.

The latter is Eupholidoptera, in Croatia, perhaps, E. chabrieri without variants.
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05.09.2011 14:39, Vlad Proklov

It was found in the Moscow Region, Odintsovo district, Petelino station. 04.09.2011. confused.gif
I discovered this miracle in my shed in the morning when I put out the lamp in the morning (to attract moths). It is clear that I immediately caught him and put him in a cage where he lived with me until the photo shoot. He ate the butterfly offered to him.
What kind of praying mantis is this?
I wonder if there were any other cases of mantis finds in the Moscow region?

Take a closer look at the fishing reports wink.gif

05.09.2011 14:48, Dichelima

Is this Chorthippus dorsatus (Zetterstedt, 1821)? Captured in late August 2010 in Kherson.
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Male, more photos:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.
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Female, more photos: 1, 2, 3.

05.09.2011 14:55, Dichelima

And this is also it (Ukraine, Kherson, in the tall green grass, August 2010): 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6?

05.09.2011 15:56, катти

Hello!
Help us find out who we met in Greece....

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05.09.2011 16:03, Decticus

Yes, it is Chorthippus sp.

05.09.2011 17:00, PVOzerski

About URL #1571 (Dichelima).
Well, that Chorthippus, in my opinion, there is no doubt smile.gif. I probably won't name the exact type, but I would check about loratus, because in the training camps from Armenia habitually similar skates were once determined by me exactly like that.

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05.09.2011 19:07, Dichelima

... I would check about loratus ...
If it is not Ch. dorsatus, then it can probably only be Ch. loratus, especially since it is caught in the south of Ukraine.

On this I found some blurry photos of Ch. loratus on the site, but there are no other photos anywhere else.

They are in my collection (pickled). Only I'm really confused. The identification card says that in Chortippus loratus, the parietal fossae are wider and shorter, the vertical diameter of the eye is larger, and the cerci are longer than in Chortippus dorsatus. Yes, well, I see! Most likely, it is still Chorthippus loratus (Fischer von Waldheim, 1846).

Tell me, what determinant did you use then? Or did they work without a qualifier at all?

05.09.2011 19:07, PVOzerski

Bey-Bienko, Mishchenko 1951

05.09.2011 19:09, PVOzerski

Don't you remember the songs? In dorsatus, it is very characteristic.

05.09.2011 19:30, bials

Could you give this mantis to me (at least when it dies)? mol.gif  mol.gif  mol.gif I love praying mantises very much and would like to get them, but I don't know where to give them away... frown.gif

Actually, I shot him in all the poses and let him go. I feel sorry for the little animal.

05.09.2011 19:31, bials

Take a closer look at the fishing reports wink.gif

Vlad! What reports?!
And where?

05.09.2011 19:50, Dichelima

Bey-Bienko, Mishchenko 1951
Yes, I have the same determinant. Yet, in another determinant (Bey-Bienko, volume #1-Primipterans with incomplete transformation, 1964), one striking feature is indicated - the lateral keels on the pronotum cross black stripes, clearly diverge in the rear part. Although it also says that the elytra should be narrower than that of Ch. dorsatus - there seems to be no such thing (I looked at snmkam from the Internet). I don't know about the length of the ceres and parietal pits, but the eyes are clearly larger than those of Ch. dorsatus ...

Don't you remember the songs? In dorsatus, it is very characteristic.
No wall.gif, I don't remember ...
Well, I'll suffer some more. I would have something to compare it to! Although, most likely, this is not Ch. dorsatus ...

This post was edited by Dichelima - 05.09.2011 19: 53

05.09.2011 20:05, Dichelima

Good! So, for URL #1571, I will assume that it is Chorthippus loratus (Fischer von Waldheim, 1846), and for URL #1572, I will think that it is Chorthippus dorsatus (Zetterstedt, 1821) .

05.09.2011 20:37, Dichelima

And this is probably Platycleis affinis Fieber, 1853? Ukraine, Kherson region, August 2010. On a vacant lot in tall dry grass.
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More photos (unfortunately, only the female): 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8.

This post was edited by Dichelima - 05.09.2011 20: 37

05.09.2011 21:02, PVOzerski

I think so. By the way, it is easier to recognize it by females smile.gif

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05.09.2011 21:07, Dichelima

What do you think about it? Is this by any chance Omocestus minutus? Ukraine, Kherson region, late August 2010.

Male:
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More photos of a male and female of the same species
Male: 1, 2, 3.
Female: 1, 2, 3.

This post was edited by Dichelima - 09.09.2011 20: 19

05.09.2011 21:23, PVOzerski

If I came across such a thing in the North-West of Russia, I would say that Omocestus haemorrhoidalis. But in this case, beware. I had no dealings with either petraeus or minutus.
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05.09.2011 22:13, Dichelima

Help us find out who we met in Greece...
I can't say for sure, but maybe it's a member of the Acinipe family. Here, on the Internet there is a photo of a very similar animal, signed as Acinipe paulinoi:
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It seems to be similar, but it is found mainly in Portugal. And exactly - I do not understand! If anyone knows, please correct me.

This post was edited by Dichelima - 05.09.2011 22: 15

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