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05.09.2011 22:50, Alex KNZ

Last summer, Yandex posted a photo of such a green grasshopper. At first I thought it was tettigonia, but then I doubted it - the color is not the same (confused by the brown stripe on the top from the edge of the pronotum). Question to PVOzerski. Is it really Gampsocleis shelkovnikovae? (Rostov-on-Don). According to the author, the photo is processed, the colors are not quite real.

This post was edited by Alex KNZ - 05.09.2011 22: 56

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06.09.2011 1:35, PVOzerski

In my opinion - really it, Gampsocleis shelkovnikovae.
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06.09.2011 1:48, PVOzerski

In continuation of the conversation about the Chorthippus of the biguttulus group: here is the waveform of my Pskov mollis (at 23 oC). I recorded it directly to the computer's sound card from a cheap Chinese microphone and filtered it in Audacity.

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06.09.2011 8:16, Vlad Proklov

Vlad! What reports?!
And where?

In relevant topic smile.gif

06.09.2011 8:19, Vlad Proklov

Last summer, Yandex posted a photo of such a green grasshopper. At first I thought it was tettigonia, but then I doubted it - the color is not the same (confused by the brown stripe on the top from the edge of the pronotum). Question to PVOzerski. Is it really Gampsocleis shelkovnikovae? (Rostov-on-Don). According to the author, the photo is processed, the colors are not quite real.

And what? It was also found near Odessa (there was a note in Far Eastern Entomologist).

06.09.2011 23:34, Dichelima

I have another question - is this Acrotylus longipes? Ukraine, Tsyurupinsky district, Kherson region, late August 2010. On sandy soils with sparse and low vegetation.
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In the photo - a male. More photos of the male: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11. Photo of the female: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12.
Dear experts, please help me also in determining the subspecies.

This post was edited by Dichelima - 07.09.2011 21: 01

07.09.2011 0:02, Dracus

Dichelima,

what, after all, you have beautiful photos! You should be making atlases.

As for the filly, it is the same, a nominative subspecies.

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07.09.2011 19:58, PVOzerski

Here I was honored, wrote down 3 full phrases of the same mollis (23 degrees with a little).

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07.09.2011 20:57, Dichelima

  Dichelima,

what, after all, you have beautiful photos! You should be making atlases.

As for the filly, it is the same, a nominative subspecies.
Thank you, I always try to capture all aspects of the morphology of these animals in as much detail as possible, sometimes even to the detriment of beauty. But to be honest, I myself am not one hundred percent satisfied with the quality of my photos and their content. In general, I plan to buy a new camera and conduct a better photo session of the available species of straight-winged birds. Thank you for the subspecies!

07.09.2011 21:26, DanMar

I wonder if Gampsocleis shelkovnikovae comes to the Crimea? And how far does it stretch to the east of Ukraine?

07.09.2011 22:15, Dichelima

Well, I can post some more photos. This is Ruspolia nitidula (Scopoli, 1786). The species is known, but I think it is appropriate to post it here, because in the photos you can see important systematic features. Unfortunately, the photos are not very beautiful, but they are informative. Ukraine, Kherson, late August 2010. On an abandoned wasteland outside the city in the tall green grass.
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Male: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18.
Female: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18.
I try to display on the photo not only the beauty of wildlife, but also morphological features that are important from the point of view of taxonomy. And I also really like it when such photos of rare and not found in my country species are posted on the forum, which show all sorts of subtleties of the anatomical structure. And I ask everyone who puts out views on the definition, to photograph in detail the venation of the elytra, the cerci, the subgenital and anal plate, and other subtleties. Or, at least, from different angles and in high resolution.
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07.09.2011 22:21, Dichelima

Here I was honored, wrote down 3 full phrases of the same mollis (23 degrees with a little).
You have beautiful photos! You should be making atlases.
Yes, it would not be a bad idea to combine these two ideas together - to create a detailed morphology atlas accompanied by a CD with recordings of acoustic signals. Of course, I don't promise anything like that. But the idea itself is sublime!
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07.09.2011 22:38, Dichelima

I wonder if Gampsocleis shelkovnikovae comes to the Crimea? And how far does it stretch to the east of Ukraine?
Oh, by the way, about Gampsocleis shelkovnikovae and other Gampsocleis species. Personally, I have never met any representatives of this genus. Anyone who can catch it - please respond! I ask for detailed photos from different angles, preferably veins on the elytra, cerci, etc .... mol.gif

And as for its distribution in the Crimea-rather not found. In my opinion, this species of Gampsocleis is not found in Ukraine at all. If I'm wrong, please correct me.

07.09.2011 22:48, PVOzerski

As for the atlas , this is great, but if you start making it in Russia or, especially, in the ex-USSR, then you may not have enough time for this. For some limited region , this is more realistic.

07.09.2011 22:56, PVOzerski

Regarding Gampsocleis: here, for example, is a very interesting and unexpected piece of information:
http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtop...%F0%EE%E2%FB%EC
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07.09.2011 23:09, DanMar

I want to say that gampsokleis in Ukraine are more common, especially in the southern steppe zone. This is Gampsocleis glabara. And in the south-west of the Odessa region, you can also find a kind of shelkovninkovae. I am based on fishing data from the Internet in the north-eastern part of Romania, which is adjacent to Ukraine. It is likely that it exists in the very center of the Odessa region. I myself have never caught grasshoppers from this tribe, and I think that there are no grasshoppers in the steppe Crimea.

07.09.2011 23:18, PVOzerski

I caught only glabra, and very far from Ukraine smile.gif- in the Naryn region of Kyrgyzstan. As far as I can tell from my observations of G. glabra and other people's stories about sedakovii, representatives of this genus have very loud signals. Although I can't say anything about G. shelkovnikovae. By the way, photo G. shelkovnikovae from the Rostov region was posted in the same branch: http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=133669&st=1200
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08.09.2011 0:05, Dracus

Regarding Gampsocleis: here, for example, is a very interesting and unexpected piece of information:
http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtop...%F0%EE%E2%FB%EC

By the way, it is interesting that the grasshopper looks more like an obscura than a nominative subspecies that should live there - the nominative has wings that both males and females go far beyond the top of the abdomen, while the obscura has them like this, slightly shortened.
I myself have repeatedly encountered Gampsocleidini (Gampsocleis and Uvarovites) only in Siberia and the Far East, but I know that G. glabra is quite common in the steppes of the Black Earth region. As for the signals, I confirm that they are loud and difficult to pass by.

08.09.2011 15:42, Dichelima

Tell me, is this Mecostethus parapleurus (Hagenbach, 1822)? Ukraine, Kherson, late August 2010. In the thick juicy grass on the bank of a small river.
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Unfortunately, only a photo of the male is available: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Dear experts, I again ask for help in determining the subspecies, if the morphological information that is shown in the photo is sufficient for this.

08.09.2011 23:17, DanMar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EttWEQP6uig&feature=related
Sedakov is cracking up here, now I know his song. In general, on amateur video recordings, you can find a lot of information about poorly described species. The main thing is to find them.
I think the loudest European erect-winged birds I've ever seen are drymadusa, then the field cricket, and only then tettigonia viridissima. But I do not know how loud the gumpsokleis squeal.

08.09.2011 23:37, Dichelima

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EttWEQP6uig&feature=related
Sedakov is cracking up here, now I know his song. In general, on amateur video recordings, you can find a lot of information about poorly described species. The main thing is to find them.
I think the loudest European erect-winged birds I've ever seen are drymadusa, then the field cricket, and only then tettigonia viridissima. But I do not know how loud the gumpsokleis squeal.
Yes, you can find some things, but unfortunately, it often happens that the rarer the view, the lower the quality of shooting (the law of meanness). I have a number of site addresses where there are used.m. good photos.

I've never heard drymadusa chirp, but I do know that Ruspolia nitidula is louder than a field cricket. His singing sounds to me like the sound of a chainsaw. And his song is quite similar to the song of grasshopper Sedakov, which I just listened to on the video (although I don't know how much the real song differs from the video recording). For a long time I could not find Ruspolia chirping in the grass at night, and for a long time I wondered what kind of insect was making this loud sound. I even nicknamed it grasshopper-circular saw, until one day, without setting a goal, I tracked down in the grass late at night, first one singing male Ruspolia, and then another. I was very surprised how such a small insect (no more than 5 cm) makes such a loud, ear-cutting sound! If the male is in good shape, then the ear can be laid, if the head is brought close.

09.09.2011 0:12, DanMar

Well, the fact that polevoy yells louder and more unpleasant is green-that's for sure. It's one thing for him to be in a mink, another for him to be in a box. Stridulation of dreamadoos first begins with a few teals, and then turns into a continuous rustling. The frequency in captivity was lower than that of neighboring green grasshoppers at the same temperature. It is possible that in Turkey the frequency and volume are even higher! It's very hot there in the summer...

09.09.2011 0:16, DanMar

Their song resembles the discrete rustle of two sheets of sandpaper.

12.09.2011 5:39, Olearius

Caught in the CMS. It was found in dry steppes everywhere, the number is not very
high.
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12.09.2011 11:48, PVOzerski

Some kind of Platycleis. If the hind legs weren't blocking the end of the abdomen, it would be possible to try to determine more precisely.
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12.09.2011 14:09, Penzyak

Dybka stepnaya or peshaya - Penza region, Serdobsky district, near the village of Baika, steppe slopes, August 31, 2011 (Polumordvinov O. A.).

Is there any literature on Isophya ???

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12.09.2011 14:36, PVOzerski

By Isophya-for starters, Bey-Bienko, 1954 (Fauna of the USSR. Grasshoppers. Subsem. leafhoppers (Phaneropterinae)). You can find it online. At plantago in the "Flora and Fauna Library" - http://ashipunov.info/shipunov/school/book...ropterinae.djvu

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12.09.2011 22:20, Dichelima

... by Isophya
Tell me, Penzyak, have you seen any more Isophya rossica grasshoppers?

12.09.2011 23:19, PVOzerski

2 Dichelima: recently, I. rossica is listed as a subspecies of I. modesta. See, for example, here (even an abstract may suffice): http://www.jstor.org/pss/3503724
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13.09.2011 11:07, Penzyak

Alas, I haven't searched for many similar biotopes (and this year I managed to visit many interesting places in the region). according to my nickname) - all nonsense!??
Our oldest teacher at the department Stoiko T. G. collected a lot of insects in the Penza region-claims that she often came across larvae that she referred to as isophyas... But, she saw an adult insect for the first time (what I caught-it turned out that on that trip we went together) for all this time!!?
I have been collecting / studying insects of the region for probably 20 years, but I have NEVER come across such specimens (see the photo of 2 females and 1 male)!? Over the years, I have accumulated a fairly large collection of erect-winged birds, where I paid a lot of attention to long-whiskered birds and sawtails in particular. I think I need to put them in a single box (two boxes) and look similar to isophy... But, I think such small larvae (2-3 cm) can not be determined before the species... Who is currently engaged in right-winged animals in the Volga region (???) I don't know. It seems that there is a graduate student in Kazan, it will be necessary to write off with her... Very interesting data on isophyas and sawtails are provided by Prisny in the Belgorod Region CC (Tomsk). I'm also thinking of selecting candidates for the new edition of the Penza Region CC , but first we need to identify and analyze all the collected material.

There are also sevchuki periodically caught - what kind of species is this?

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13.09.2011 20:34, DanMar

sevrilla?
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14.09.2011 0:25, Dichelima

Over the years, I have accumulated a fairly large collection of erect-winged birds ...
Well, good luck processing your material. If you are in doubt when determining the types - spread it out! About isofiy - a very interesting story. Of course, they are there - in the very place where you found the first three individuals, but their population density is not high, and individual individuals hide very well.

There are also sevchuki periodically caught - what kind of species is this?
Only two species are found in Russia - Onconotus servillei and Onconotus laxmanni.
Вот Onconotus servillei Fischer von Waldheim, 1846:
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But Onconotus laxmanni (Pallas, 1771):
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See the difference in the shape of the pronotum? The pronotum narrows in the anterior part of the Servillian beetle and therefore has an ovate b.m. shape, while in the Laxman's beetle the pronotum is of equal width in both the anterior and posterior parts. Therefore, the shape is more like a rectangle. Your species is Onconotus servillei.
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14.09.2011 10:51, Penzyak

I see, thank you for your kind words! In the provinces, the entomologist is forced to deal with many issues in the field of entomofauna (my main specialization is lepidoptera) so that "it was not painfully sad" in terms of missed opportunities to collect entomological rarities (which happened more than once during the period of my formation as an entomologist), including on straight-winged animals...

Is this a crusade filly? There were also copies of the gray form (August 31, 2011).

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14.09.2011 13:27, PVOzerski

No. If you use Russian names, then black-striped. And in Latin-Oedaleus decorus.
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14.09.2011 23:55, Dichelima

Sorry, this isn't Dociostaurus brevicollis (Eversmann, 1848)by any chance: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5?
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17.09.2011 17:11, Olearius

Grasshopper from KMV. Met in the shade of the forest.
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17.09.2011 20:22, DanMar

This is Pholidoptera griseoaptera
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17.09.2011 21:36, DanMar

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I had a few questions about this photo. It says "straight-winged birds of the Voronezh region".
1. Is this really a multi-humped fat man in the windmill?
2. This is probably not a steppe, but a saddle-bearing rack, which, as it were, is not found in the Voronezh Region.
3. That specimen is too big for a plastinopter, I can't even imagine who, I'd like to get a closer look, but it seems that both individuals of different species are.
4. Looking at such a large number of errors, we can say that the definition of a fat person is incorrect, but who is exposed then?

R. S. On the comments to the photo generally dumb to look at...

17.09.2011 22:16, Dichelima

Yeah! eek.gif Well, who defined these types? In general, this is a typical problem of all small local history museums of regional significance (almost every city has its own small department for flora and fauna).

In the book Yakobson G. G., Bianchi V. L. Straight-winged and false-net-winged birds of the Russian Empire and neighboring countries. SPb., 1905, there are very realistic illustrations. The images are very similar to real views. There you can also find tolstun mnogobugorchaty. Imagine that the artist who painted this animal saw it firsthand-alive.

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Edited by: oops, a mistake! In the photo - another species of fat man-Callimenus oniscus, which is not found in the ex-USSR countries.

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17.09.2011 22:31, Dracus

Jacobson and Bianchi show a different type of fat man (oniscus, which is found in the Balkans). It differs significantly in coloration from multituberculatus. There is really no photo of the latter on the network (on the Orthoptera Species File, most likely, a different view is shown on its page), but there are good drawings that are very similar to nature, for example
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As for the box, the dybka really looks like a saddle-shaped one, with some of the Pseudophyllinae on the left and Conocephalinae on the right being represented as plate-winged animals. Tolstun, adjusted for deformity, may be real, it's hard to tell from this photo.

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