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Identification of Orthoptera (grasshoppers, crickets, etc.)

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24.09.2011 11:37, Dichelima

By the way, there is a separate subforum - "Images of insects" - why not use it?
In principle, you can. I have a series of photos of straight-winged insects for 2010. I can post them there. But if I did this right away, I would probably not be able to communicate about the morphology, geographical distribution, and biology of the individual taxonomic groups I am interested in.

As it seemed to me, this page is a scientific forum. And "Insect images" are more likely just for nature lovers, who are not even interested in the name of the species, let alone the systematic position. You can't learn much there. And according to the meme, very few people visit it.

And yet-many of my photos are not very beautiful. But they are informative in terms of morphology. As I think, they should not be viewed for aesthetic pleasure. Moreover, many people are shocked by the photos of so many dead animals. Some people have a reaction in the form of anger and anger. But if you are not interested in the aesthetic aspect, but in the anatomical structure of animals, then you can view them with great benefit. It's like dissecting a corpse in a morgue for training purposes.

This post was edited by Dichelima - 24.09.2011 11: 58

24.09.2011 12:00, PVOzerski

You're right about that, too. It turns out that both here and there the photo gallery , it seems, is not quite in place. Maybe start a separate topic - "Online atlas of straight-winged birds" - and let the moderators think in which subforum to post it, in "Images" or in "Classification"smile.gif.

24.09.2011 12:23, Dichelima

You're right about that, too. It turns out that both here and there the photo gallery , it seems, is not quite in place. Maybe I should start a separate topic - "Online Atlas of straight-winged birds" - and let the moderators think about which subforum to post it in, in "Images" or in "Classification". smile.gif
Yes, you can. I'm just afraid that if I participate in this topic alone, it will have the lowest rating on the site. But winter is still ahead. I didn't catch anything new, but I would like to talk about my favorite topic. In general, my photos for 2010 have almost exhausted themselves. All that was interesting-everything was laid out. Only the most common banals remained: Acrida ungarica, Tetrix tenuicornis, Conocephalus discolor, Decticus albifrons, Tesselana vittata, Oecanthus pellucens, Oedipoda coerulescens, Phaneroptera nana, Phaneroptera nana. I will definitely not post them - these types are so definitely out of place here. So now I'll just keep an eye out for new messages. If I catch something new , I will consult on the forum if I doubt the accuracy of the definition.

This post was edited by Dichelima - 24.09.2011 12: 30

24.09.2011 12:40, PVOzerski

No, Dichelima, you are wrong about smile.gifthe "banals"First of all, someone is just beginning to be interested in the group or even needs a" one-time " definition. Look at how many photos of Chorthippus dorsatus have accumulated here - it turns out that for some it is not "banal". Well, and the second point: that "banal" for Kiev is not always "banal" for St. Petersburg or Irkutsk (and vice versa). So "banals" should be laid out exactly, and even in all the variety of their color variations smile.gif
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24.09.2011 12:41, DanMar

For that matter, I will also post photos of the eppiger that I have, but I don't seem to care about the main features for distinguishing the view. But there are some really" unique " photos ...
Finds of this mysterious for me were in the Kiev, Zhytomyr regions, oddly enough, I never found it on the left bank. I assume that it settles in most coniferous forests, but how even more zagdochnee prefers forests with a certain form of vegetation! It's hard to remember... It lives on shrubs and trees. And as it turned out, this is mostly a forest species. I met them: near the Kiev reservoir (Lyutezh), in the Zhytomyr region near the city of Malin, Shchebzavod, Irsha.
Males and females sing. I've identified the view correctly, haven't I? Grape ephippiger. Photos for comparison with verrucivorus, females on the side and bottom, males in the environment, habitat and fishing. This year was not very lucky, everyone climbed the trees because of the rains frown.gif...

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24.09.2011 12:46, DanMar

2 Dichelima: Have you ever seen this species??? It is very strange that I have never found it on the left bank!!!

24.09.2011 13:08, Dichelima

2 Dichelima: Have you ever seen this species??? It is very strange that I have never found it on the left bank!!!
No, I wasn't lucky enough to meet him in Kiev. I wanted to find him in the Crimea, but still didn't get caught. In the Kherson region , this is definitely not the case.

PS: And grasshoppers live in a good place, apparently. It's great to describe the type of biocenosis with photos! Probably so now I will always do it myself, and not describe it in words.

This post was edited by Dichelima - 24.09.2011 13: 48

25.09.2011 18:41, Dichelima

DanMar, by this here you can see some good photos of Pteronemobius heydenii. Is this the coastal cricket? Don't forget to click on the "camera" icon to the right of the title to view additional photos.

25.09.2011 18:52, DanMar

Thank you very much, it looks like it, the appearance is exactly the same!, I couldn't see the exact details, the wings are shining. Although it may be a different species, there are many of them in the genus. It would be necessary for me to study all the crickets of Ukraine, to distinguish "banals" from "exotics" smile.gif
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27.09.2011 21:36, Olearius

Such a bat was found in the Orenburg region, in the floodplain of the Ural River.
Wet large-grass meadow, mid-June
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27.09.2011 21:52, PVOzerski

However lucky smile.gif

Podisma pedestris forma macroptera-generally an atavism: normally developed wings in a normally short-winged species. By the way, I wonder: did the beast try to use these wings?
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27.09.2011 22:57, Olearius

I don't remember if I tried or not. I mowed it down in the tall grass. And only one copy. got caught, there were no wingless ones.
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28.09.2011 0:26, bryodema

Interestingly, this is a male f.macroptera. Rather, this species settled in new territories.

28.09.2011 0:39, PVOzerski

I recently brought up a topic in "The Mores of Insects" about the meaning of f. macroptera - there you can discuss.

28.09.2011 19:26, KingSnake

I would like to know what kind of straight-winged birds I met in Abkhazia, on the 20th of September, roc. Gagra, in various places on Mount Mamdzyshkha

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28.09.2011 19:52, PVOzerski

DSC06327.jpg, DSC06639.jpg, DSC07033.jpg, DSC07040.jpg - Anacridium aegyptium
DSC06356.jpg - Oedipoda sp.
DSC06363.jpg - Acrida sp.
DSC06371.jpg - Eyprepocnemis plorans
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28.09.2011 20:04, KingSnake

Thanks for the definition. And what is the reason for the change in the color of Anacridium aegyptium larvae?

28.09.2011 22:32, PVOzerski

I don't know. But this is not phase variability.

30.09.2011 19:55, Коллекционер

I cleaned the aquarium today from the remains of mantis food, and found this one, apparently it was caught in late July-early August, this is a short-winged locust or just a "nedolinyavshiy locust"
confused.gif length 2.4 cm

This post was edited by the Collector - 30.09.2011 19: 56

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30.09.2011 21:20, PVOzerski

Sort of like Bicolorana bicolor

30.09.2011 21:43, DanMar

This is not Saranchuk at all, but a leap!

01.10.2011 14:16, bryodema

Bicolorana bicolor

01.10.2011 14:19, bryodema

"nedolinyavshiy saranchuk" is not about him. quite a faded female.

02.10.2011 0:15, DanMar

The time has come. I bought crickets on the "Bird". I felt like a sucker. They don't eat anything, they don't drink anything, they just die. Predimago. Bought forty - eight now. They will die steadily in the cold , and even faster in the warm. Dybki don't want to eat them. The seller said that "banana". But I don't think he knows who the bananas are. It's time to find out who it is, now there are only photos of nymphs. Adults are full-winged, up to 3 cm. It is not known what they are fed there. If I get an imago , I'll post it. Any chance to determine? Maybe it's brownies? If you need other angles - it will be done! I will try to squeeze out the maximum quality. In the photo, the cage is 0.5 cm.

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02.10.2011 0:28, Vlad Proklov

The time has come. I bought crickets on the "Bird". I felt like a sucker. They don't eat anything, they don't drink anything, they just die. [...]

Shoo-hoo, even his crickets will die! lol.gif

02.10.2011 10:26, PVOzerski

Who are the "banana" - really still no one further than the genus (Gryllus) does not know. What do you feed them? If they aren't all dead yet, try offering them dandelion leaves and granulated guinea pig food.

02.10.2011 11:37, DanMar

And they don't eat hamarus, and cabbage, and parsley, apples and pears, too. It is not very funny, because the field crickets that I took in nature gave offspring and now there are many larvae that are very unpretentious to food, and live quietly.
yes.gif There were almost no problems with the maintenance of natural right-winged birds, and if there were, then the reason was clear. And with these, I can't understand wall.gif mad.gif teapot.gifanything at all . If there were no problems, then I would not post my questions here! I have my suspicions about those who sell them.
So far, the most resilient ones have remained, maybe something will happen, and the next generation will be normal. I was generally interested in the VIEW, but it looks like I'll have to search on my own.

This post was edited by DanMar - 02.10.2011 11: 46

02.10.2011 12:18, PVOzerski

You will hardly find the view. More precisely, you will find two variants-Gryllus assimilis and Gryllus argentinus-but both, judging by the waveforms of the call signals, are actually incorrect.

02.10.2011 14:00, PVOzerski

Also keep in mind that crickets have microsporidiosis - so put your "banana" ones in some kind of quarantine. It is possible that they are dying from the disease.
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02.10.2011 23:08, DanMar

It seems that everyone who buys crickets at the market will die. Perhaps a sharp change in conditions adversely affects them! Although no one knows.

02.10.2011 23:35, PVOzerski

Here I found some information about the content of the "banana" cricket (I emphasize once again that the specific name attributed to it, to put it mildly, raises great doubts).
http://chamaeleon.ru/feeding/sverchki.html

03.10.2011 16:38, DanMar

Yes, there are a million such manuals on the Internet for keepers, but there are no definitions =(

03.10.2011 16:56, PVOzerski

As for the definition of a banana cricket, a few years ago I spoke with A.V. Gorokhov on this topic. In general, without comparison with the types, it is impossible to reliably determine (the only thing that can be said is the American group of species of the genus Gryllus). And the types are not in Russia.

This post was edited by PVOzerski - 03.10.2011 17: 48
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07.10.2011 18:42, Anax chernobila

It seems that everyone who buys crickets at the market will die. Perhaps a sharp change in conditions adversely affects them! No one knows, though.

They die, ha, HOW MANY TIMES they took it, everyone lived, but they ate.........CUCUMBERS!

07.10.2011 18:46, Anax chernobila

Dichelima, I have photos of interesting locusts, I can post them! beer.gif
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07.10.2011 20:24, DanMar

Wow, I need to try it with cucumbers, it's interesting! Thanks!

08.10.2011 18:45, Anax chernobila

Nezashto; OK, the locusts will be here tomorrow...

08.10.2011 18:47, Dichelima

Dichelima, I have photos of interesting locusts, I can post them! beer.gif
Great! Let's! It's been a long time since anyone posted anything new.

2DanMar: You know, you can probably say for sure that the seller "processes" his crickets before selling them in some way-so that they remain edible for pets, all die within a week (you have to have time to sell them), and buyers can not reproduce them at home (you have to have time to sell them). so that they can continue to be bought). Although I can't find out exactly what method the seller uses, but most likely-feeds them special toxins that kill insects slowly, but do not affect those animals that will feed on them. Here, perhaps, you should explain to the seller that you need a group of viable males and females to breed them at home. Probably, the price will be higher.

This post was edited by Dichelima - 08.10.2011 19: 01
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08.10.2011 20:26, DanMar

Thank you very much!! It is worth noting that crickets do not want to eat anything, which is very unnatural for such animals, so perhaps this "something" can affect their appetite. I don't know anything about biochemistry, so I can't tell you. But the impression is really like that. They don't eat cucumbers. If I had taken wild or brownie wolves in nature, they would have been sated long ago and eaten everything I gave them. There is someone to compare it with. By the way, these "banana" crickets stink well, who knows why, because even the brownies that I took did not smell. Next time I'll talk to the seller who was extremely taciturn!!! Thank you very much!

08.10.2011 20:27, DanMar

If there is a next time, I will take imago...

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