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Identification of Orthoptera (grasshoppers, crickets, etc.)

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28.08.2015 16:37, Vlad Proklov

Good day everyone!
Help with the praying mantis. Caught on 27. 08.2015 Belarus, Grodno region, Mosty. In the city on a flower bed. Is Mantis religiosa really that color? I've only ever met green people.

Yes, they are.
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28.08.2015 20:50, Decticus

I didn't know that there are mantises in Belarus. And where is the northern limit of their distribution?

28.08.2015 22:19, Vlad Proklov

They are on the north Prut in recent years, even from the Kostroma region there is a find.

29.08.2015 14:34, Decticus

1-Oedipoda caerulescens 2- Tettigonia viridissima 3-Phaneroptera falcata

29.08.2015 14:36, Decticus

3-Phaneroptera falcata

I'm not sure about him. Do plate wings come in this color?

31.08.2015 16:27, PVOzerski

2 Decticus
I'll bet a little.
About oedipods - is caerulescens necessary? Why not miniata or fedtschenkoi?

As for Tettigonia, I think it's caudata: the color of the eyes is purple, and the dark spots on the back thighs are distinguishable.

As for the plate wing, there are no options other than the genus Phaneroptera. But with views, options are possible. Ph. spinosa and Ph. bivittata are also known from Central Asia.
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31.08.2015 16:32, PVOzerski

2 Tivanik:
I think your discovery of Ph. falcata in St. Petersburg is the first in general. So I can again suggest that you write a note in our collection smile.gifOr make a joint one again, since I found the same species this summer in the vicinity of the city of Valdai, Novgorod region - which is much further south, but also for the first time for this point.

31.08.2015 16:44, Decticus

  
As for Tettigonia, I think it's caudata: the color of the eyes is purple, and the dark spots on the back thighs are distinguishable.




It's just a dark spot on my leg picture: 109321620___.jpg

Caudata has black spikespicture: Tettigonia_viridissima.jpgpicture: 98165___.jpg
, so I think it's viridissima.

I agree with you about Oedipus and plate wing.

31.08.2015 16:46, DanMar

2 Decticus
I'll bet a little.
About oedipods - is caerulescens necessary? Why not miniata or fedtschenkoi?

As for Tettigonia, I think it's caudata: the color of the eyes is purple, and the dark spots on the back thighs are distinguishable.

As for the plate wing, there are no options other than the genus Phaneroptera. But with views, options are possible. Ph. spinosa and Ph. bivittata are also known from Central Asia.

There you can see a brown stripe on the pronotum that is poorly distinguishable in the photo, I also wanted to write about caudates, but then I saw, in addition, black dots on the thighs are poorly visible. There is a taxon Tettigonia acutipennis, about which nothing is known, maybe it is not green and not caudata? About the strip, you should either ask the author or look at the image in the original size of which there is no...
In addition, rather long cerci.
Purple eyes - a reliable sign of caudata? I've never met Viridissima with one like that, and there's something wrong with that.

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31.08.2015 16:51, PVOzerski

With black spots in caudata, by the way, it happens in different ways. In Kyrgyzstan, in the Tien Shan Mountains, caudates live almost without spots on their hind thighs (T. caudata mistshenkoi; if necessary, I can take a picture and post paratypes from the RSPU collection).

31.08.2015 16:56, Decticus

There is a taxon Tettigonia acutipennis, about which nothing is known, maybe it is not green and not caudata?

About T. acutipennis, I found only a map showing its distribution picture: MapGen3.jpg

That strange grasshopper in the photo from Uzbekistan, maybe T. caudata mistshenko

31.08.2015 16:58, PVOzerski

2 Decticus: unlike T. c. mistshenkoi: the wings are rather long.

31.08.2015 23:10, DanMar

With black spots in caudata, by the way, it happens in different ways. In Kyrgyzstan, in the Tien Shan Mountains, caudates live almost without spots on their hind thighs (T. caudata mistshenkoi; if necessary, I can take a picture and post paratypes from the RSPU collection).

Of course, it will be very useful!
2 Decticus: unlike T. c. mistshenkoi: the wings are rather long.

Perhaps the absence of black spots is a sign specifically of the subspecies T. c. mistshenkoi, they are mandatory for the nominative one, right? Is it Caudata or not, or is it a new subspecies?

This post was edited by DanMar - 31.08.2015 23: 13

01.09.2015 12:46, PVOzerski

Of course, it will be very useful!

Promised paratypes:

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01.09.2015 22:01, Коллекционер

Help with a grasshopper to the form if possible
Austria 6°44y22. 0H 12°58y08. 0E 08.08.15 31mm

how did you keep it so green?

02.09.2015 1:10, DanMar

Good afternoon. Yesterday, some kind of "cricket" also flew into the light in the city center...
The size is approximately 1.5 cm, or slightly larger. There is nothing better to remove.
Please help me with the title.

Nemobiinae gen. sp.?

02.09.2015 20:10, никитатимошев

Who can't identify a grasshopper I'll say smile.gif smile.gif

03.09.2015 20:08, comprachicos

Good evening. Please define it. August, xinjiang. Mountains/steppes.
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03.09.2015 23:49, PVOzerski

4 brown horse 1-2-3-5 Italian prus 6 blue-winged filly 7-8 black-striped filly 9-10 white or white-edged horse 11 cricket of some kind he jumped at my house and I let them out on the street

Nikita, there is no brown horse in the photo: marked # 3 (you probably took it as the 4th one) looks more like someone from the Chorthippus "dorsatus" group of species. Identifying Calliptamus to a species without seeing the inner side of the hind thigh is a risky business. White-banded filly (Chorthippus albomarginatus) (you have a "white or white-edged horse" - and where did you learn to express yourself so exquisitely?) - for China, the view is incredible, there is someone else there, although related. What you called the blue-winged filly - it is, of course, really Oedipoda-but you will have to prove to me that it is Oe. caerulescens for a long time and not the fact that you will convince me. You can't even see the color of the rear wing there. In the dry residue, there are still Oedaleus decorus (black-striped filly; however, the chance that this is another species of the same genus is also not zero) and "some kind of cricket". And, generally speaking, definitions without Latin names are not the point.

I apologize for the abruptness. Treat it as an educational procedure.
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04.09.2015 3:07, Vlad Proklov

A scaly cricket, it looks like. If there is an exit to Gorokhov Street , then it is best to contact him.
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04.09.2015 8:17, comprachicos

Nikita, there is no brown horse in the photo: marked # 3 (you probably took it as the 4th one) looks more like someone from the Chorthippus "dorsatus" group of species. Identifying Calliptamus to a species without seeing the inner side of the hind thigh is a risky business. White-banded filly (Chorthippus albomarginatus) (you have a "white or white-edged horse" - and where did you learn to express yourself so exquisitely?) - for China, the view is incredible, there is someone else there, although related. What you called the blue-winged filly - it is, of course, really Oedipoda-but you will have to prove to me that it is Oe. caerulescens for a long time and not the fact that you will convince me. You can't even see the color of the rear wing there. In the dry residue, there are still Oedaleus decorus (black-striped filly; however, the chance that this is another species of the same genus is also not zero) and "some kind of cricket". And, generally speaking, definitions without Latin names are not the point.

I apologize for the abruptness. Treat it as an educational procedure.


Thanks!

05.09.2015 12:28, gstalker

Please look at URL #3064 at least up to genera

05.09.2015 14:48, PVOzerski

Please look at URL #3064 at least to the end

Chorthippus (Glyptobothrus) sp., из группы brunneus/biguttulus/mollis. But not a brown horse (not Ch. apricarius), whose wings are shorter and differ in venation (and there is no such pattern on the body).
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05.09.2015 14:54, PVOzerski

So that the "brown horse" does not pop up again out of business, I suggest you read its photo - pay special attention to the median field of the elytra, which is unusually wide.
Male: https://www.flickr.com/photos/sanmartin/3788480294
Female: http://www.biopix.com/chorthippus-apricari...hoto-48372.aspx
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05.09.2015 15:06, PVOzerski

By the way, rattles with long-winged females (including B. tuberculatum) seem to be considered as a special genus Bryodemella in recent years.

05.09.2015 15:16, никитатимошев

there may be a changeable horse in the 3064 response to the photo-chothippus biguttulus linnaeus

05.09.2015 15:41, PVOzerski

there may be a changeable seahorse in the 3064 response to the photo-chothippus biguttulus linnaeus

There, it is problematic to determine from the photo. You need to look, for example, chirping spines from the inside of the rear thighs, under a decent magnification. And then not the fact that it will help. This is a very complex complex of closely related species.

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05.09.2015 19:59, DanMar

Since experts have been coming here recently, I'll ask for help with Platycleis.
On the dry slopes of the Dniester River with poor steppe vegetation near the village of Goraevka (Bakota) and the village of Vrublevci, Kamyanets-Podilsky district, Ukraine, Moldova begins to the south.
I note that the signs are similar to the first Platycleis in Enter from Crete.
Females.


Platycleis grisea? intermedia?
In general, how many species of platycleis fall on this territory?

If anyone can help, where does Pachytrachys gracilis lay its eggs?

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05.09.2015 20:41, PVOzerski

Famously... At first, I thought about affinis - while I was looking at the end of the female's abdomen in profile. And when I looked at the photo below, affinis disappeared by itself The impression that the species in the exUSSR fauna was not noted (unless, of course, an aberrant individual). It would be good to start by reading K. Hartz. Well, taking into account the geography of the collection, you can try to offer a photo to the Austrians on http://www.forum-orthoptera.at/
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05.09.2015 22:23, DanMar

Famously... At first, I thought about affinis - while I was looking at the end of the female's abdomen in profile. And when I looked at the photo below, affinis disappeared by itself The impression that the species in the exUSSR fauna was not noted (unless, of course, an aberrant individual). It would be good to start by reading K. Hartz. Well, taking into account the geography of the collection, you can try to offer a photo to the Austrians on http://www.forum-orthoptera.at/

Maybe an interlude? The female is post-mating possibly because the subgenital plate is raised.
Platycleis species can be distinguished by the cerci of males?

6-7 I don't know maybe ashy bush or what kind of forest lover

The type is defined in the name of the photo, homeland-Transcarpathia.

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05.09.2015 23:19, PVOzerski

2DanMar: one head is good, but two are better smile.gifI look at the genital plate, but I think about the 7th sternite. Yes, it looks like intermedia. But, by the way, I would not completely trust the opinion that in P. grisea this sternite is always flat. Once I caught larvae in Astrakhan, bred an imago, the female turned out with a "step" on this stubble, but the male sang like grisea.
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05.09.2015 23:21, PVOzerski

And males on cerci differ only in some cases. In general, Platycleis (s. str.) is just the case when references to genitalia are often found in the definitions for males.

08.09.2015 17:21, DanMar

2DanMar: one head is good, but two are better smile.gifI look at the genital plate, but I think about the 7th sternite. Yes, it looks like intermedia. But, by the way, I would not completely trust the opinion that in P. grisea this sternite is always flat. Once I caught larvae in Astrakhan, bred an imago, the female turned out with a "step" on this stubble, but the male sang like grisea.

Maybe the male was grisea and the female intermedia?

And males on cerci differ only in some cases. In general, Platycleis (s. str.) is just the case when references to genitalia are often found in the definitions for males.

Is it necessary to determine whether dissection is necessary?
Can you confirm my definition, YBK,
No. 1, No. 3 Platycleis escalerai?
№2 Platycleis affinis?
Photos of three copies, numbered, 2 photos for the second and third, like different types. The first and last are most likely the same view.
Already posted these photos, 2012, bump.

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08.09.2015 23:00, PVOzerski

What you called escalerai is really similar (by the way, were there any instructions from the territory of Ukraine, not counting the Crimea?). With affinis , I'm not sure. Look at the proportions of the ovipositor, do they differ from your escalerai? By the way, according to my memories of training camps in Armenia, escalerai was noticeably larger than affinis.
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09.09.2015 17:37, John-ST

Help us identify the erect wings.
Turkey, Sakarya, Karasu
June 9-17

1. A cool larva of some filly about 10 mm accidentally got into the frame
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Small 4-5 mm larvae of some filly masterfully masquerading as sand
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6. Pale phlegmatic larva of some blacksmith about 2cm
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09.09.2015 18:07, Decticus

  
6. Pale phlegmatic larva of some blacksmith about 2 cm


Maybe some Conocephalus.

09.09.2015 18:33, John-ST

Maybe some kind of Conocephalus.

it looks like it, but in my opinion it was kind of strange: our blacksmiths, when moving, seem to "walk", rising up on their paws, ready to jump off at any moment, and this one had the impression that it crawls when moving in a plastunsky way, and when I shooed it, it rather pushed off with its hind legs, fell down P.S.
I took a closer look at her forehead is not an angle stretched forward like our swordsmen, but as if a pointed peak between the mustache protrudes or it just seems so in the photo confused.gif

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09.09.2015 23:15, John-ST

the third is a larva of ruspolia nitidula 1 unknown the second is similar to the larva of aiolopus sp

C Ruspolia nitidula agree with aiolopus no

Rummaged in the Net in my opinion the second is Acrotylus insubricus

Someone would give a tip, where to look for the first one now

This post was edited by John-ST-09.09.2015 23: 16

09.09.2015 23:30, Vlad Proklov

C Ruspolia nitidula agree with aiolopus no

Rummaged in the Net in my opinion the second is Acrotylus insubricus

Someone would give a tip, where to look for the first one now

Not necessarily insubricus, but Acrotylus does.
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10.09.2015 0:04, John-ST

Not necessarily insubricus, but Acrotylus does.

Thank you.
I looked at these comrades http://orthoptera.speciesfile.org/HomePage...a/HomePage.aspx
they do not give a different type for Asian Turkey, although khz

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