Identification of beetles (Coleoptera)

Tell me, pliz, how many types of bronzes on 3 photos. The color of kag bae is different for everyone?????
Mercy, thank you.

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IMHO some kind of ento cardui, which we have not seen even once, although the idea is Ramenskoye, But villosoviredescens is full everywhere and it varies "like Satan", up to completely gray. In my opinion this is A. villosoviridescens

This post was edited by vasiliy-feoktistov - 28.06.2014 20: 30

Tell me, pliz, how many types of bronzes on 3 photos. The color of kag bae is different for everyone?????
Mercy, thank you.

One: Cetonia aurata (Linnaeus 1761)

Cercopis sp. (Cercopidae) - included in the definition of Isoptera 11

Not the third pair of wings is very similar, exactly

I don't understand what the wings have to do with it, when you judged the fourth pair of legs)))))

No, wait, what is Agapanthia sardui in the Moscow region? And it doesn't look like it at all.

I asked the guys a question-I also got these same 2-3 copies this season. agapanthia, and they are distinguished by a larger size, and a brighter yellow color of the elytra, and generally differ in appearance from the standard agapanthia, more reminiscent of Volgograd agapanthia, although the whiskers are not straw-colored-nonsense...?

I asked the guys a question-I also got these same 2-3 copies this season. agapanthia, and they are distinguished by a larger size, and a brighter yellow color of the elytra, and generally differ in appearance from the standard agapanthia, more reminiscent of Volgograd agapanthia, although the whiskers are not straw-colored-nonsense...?

Maxim, if possible, post a photo. But cardui is not at all similar to A. villosoviridescens, even taking into account its variability.

IMHO some kind of ento cardui, which we have not seen even once, although the idea is Ramenskoye, But villosoviredescens is full everywhere and it varies "like Satan", up to completely gray. In my opinion this is A. villosoviridescens

You're probably right. Although the variability is characteristic of almost all species of this genus, and given the migration processes(in pm in the form of "hares" on various railway loads) and the previously noted find, it could be assumed that the photographed variation differs from villosoviridescens.

You can tell quite a lot about migration using railways. Sorry for the distraction. But the presence of Aromia muschata on the territory of the Kurgan region, and in the north of the region, was not far from the railway station. The discovery was isolated, neither before nor after this barbel was not found. And if the finds on the territory of this area of the lunar copra or praying mantis can be explained by natural migration, then a single find in the railway area is possible in the case of migration with the help of anthropogenic factors.
And about the third pair of wings - this joke with a long gray beard...

This post was edited by Oldcatcher - 06/28/2014 23: 54

Viktor Dmitrievich, these are not cardui,it has a stripe between the elytra, they just differ in color and size.Moreover, in Ponomarev A, - beetles MO, the male is typical, but the female is bright and resembles, in addition to the whiskers, namely-a. dali, and the size is 2 cm..and the yellow stripe on the front...

R. S. Macroleptura soratsik, H. Herbst, R. clavipes, barbel gebleri,and the list can be continued precisely in the Kaluga region,for example, Sergukha caught in 2013, zhuzhlu-dipta dentata, valgus hemipterus, there is a shift of more southern species to the north,not to mention swallowtails and podarilii..Although we have not warmed up much-it is always summer in Serebryano-Prudsky, and we may not have it..

R. S. Macrolepture of soracik, H. herbst

Well, Macroleptura thoracica and Chlorophorus herbsti in the Yaroslavl region (and we are much north of you) have been caught regularly from time immemorial, although not often. However, where are they commonplace? This is certainly not an example of the spread of more southern species to the north.

This post was edited by Dmitrich - 06/29/2014 00: 48

Maksim M.

IMHO-there is an aspect of the average annual temperature, for a specific point, for example, deer do not live in the MO, because the temperature is insufficient ,although there are places to live, the Yaroslavl region is not strongly influenced by western cyclones in summer,like Kaluga, and due to the summer, it can have a higher figure, accurate data I don't,and for example-spring is always earlier in the south of MO than in our country-from experience...

You're probably right. Although the variability is characteristic of almost all species of this genus, and given the migration processes(in pm in the form of "hares" on various railway loads) and the previously noted find, it could be assumed that the photographed variation differs from villosoviridescens.

You can tell quite a lot about migration using railways. Sorry for the distraction. But the presence of Aromia muschata on the territory of the Kurgan region, and in the north of the region, was not far from the railway station. The discovery was isolated, neither before nor after this barbel was not found. And if the finds on the territory of this area of the lunar copra or praying mantis can be explained by natural migration, then a single find in the railway area is possible in the case of migration with the help of anthropogenic factors.
And about the third pair of wings - this joke with a long gray beard...

Well, yes, mOschata from Europe to Japan, where does it come from in the Kurgan region, not otherwise than in a soft car to come.

IMHO-there is an aspect of the average annual temperature...

Well, if you look at this aspect-the average annual temperature in the Kaluga region is 4.4, in the Yaroslavl region-3.2...
http://www.apic.ru/standards/pdf/standards...p23-01-99_3.pdf

I asked the guys a question-I also got these same 2-3 copies this season. agapanthia, and they are distinguished by a larger size, and a brighter yellow color of the elytra, and generally differ in appearance from the standard agapanthia, more reminiscent of Volgograd agapanthia, although the whiskers are not straw-colored-nonsense...?

Viktor Dmitrievich, these are not cardui,it has a stripe between the elytra, they just differ in color and size.Moreover, in Ponomarev A, - beetles MO, the male is typical, but the female is bright and resembles, in addition to the whiskers, namely-a. dali, and the size is 2 cm..and the yellow stripe on the front...

The stump is clear, the usual villosoviridescens is not what cardui is, even with variability, at least the pubescence of the elytra does not pass, someone just casts a shadow on the fence, as one of my teachers said: "If you don't know, speak nonsense confidently, then it will not be nonsense, but your point of view."
I have a couple of such fat villosoviridescens from MO, but I did not find any differences from the usual ones, and one was definitely a female, and the male is typical, I can try to post it in a couple of days.

Ivan Andreevich, but there is no kipizh,she is it...Well, a little bigger..And about careful reading-probably tomorrow...

Well, if you look at this aspect-the average annual temperature in the Kaluga region is 4.4, in the Yaroslavl region-3.2...
http://www.apic.ru/standards/pdf/standards...p23-01-99_3.pdf

Thank you, a good sign to think about...

This is the Agapanthia (s.str.) villosoviridescens De Geer, 1775 found here (specimen collected 5 km away). from the Railway Station): http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtop...dpost&p=1034428 But nevertheless, this is it and you can collect a huge series on variability. In general, only 2 species from the genus we have come across me personally for many years. Second view: Agapanthia (Smaragdula) intermedia Ganglbauer, 1884, but it is rare. In general: the MO is not rich on the subject of Agapanthia. This is just for information.
P.S. The Swallowtail is not an example: it also flies in Yakutia and feels great there

This post was edited by vasiliy-feoktistov - 29.06.2014 04: 11

Guys, but earlier, for example, we have swallowtails just like that, and in addition, several generations per season, did not fly,it all happened in the last 10 years!

Well, yes, mOschata from Europe to Japan, where does it come from in the Kurgan region, not otherwise than in a soft car to come.

Well, unless the residents of Zheleznodorozhny chipped in for his ticket. Under your strict guidance. What did they heal a couple of times? As it was, so it is - a single find.
Or someone found it-a link to the studio!))))))

But seriously, finding more southern species in more northern regions is not something supernatural. migration has been going on, and there are no trends to stop it. Swallowtail is certainly not an example. But podalirium, previously known from isolated finds, is becoming widespread. Copris lunaris, formerly known from ribbon hogs, moved north for almost 200 km. Mantis religiosa and a species of true cicadas-at 150 km. And without soft cars - here the residents of Zheleznodorozhny did not keep track. I took examples only for one region, but there are many examples from other regions as well.

Well, in the vicinity of the Railway Station, I personally and migratory locusts were caught in 2000 several times, at different points and individual individuals, and since then I have never seen them. I saw Podaliriya only once in 2000: it is rare and not so frequent here, but it is also true. And the notorious Praying Mantis was found by Tolik Krupitsky in 2000, at a gas station that stands on the rather busy Nosovikhinsky highway, along which truckers drive on trucks and get drunk at this very gas station. Also, on the other side of the gas station lies the Gorky direction of the Moscow Railway, where trains run from almost all regions: this imported praying mantis is me, I personally know the city where I live from the cradle And we don't have any A. cardui, although maybe they will be delivered from somewhere, someday?
I will add another fact for the sake of laughter: in the 90s, I also saw some kind of spider-bird-eating hefty....... However, I saw it in the city market: probably jumped off some bananas, etc. It's a pity that the merchants trampled it to death then with these very bananas I would shelter the poor guy Well and that's enough, something got lost: I'm stopping for now.

This post was edited by vasiliy-feoktistov - 06/29/2014 12: 48

I confess. About cardui-I wrote specifically to cause a discussion on agapantiy. I don't collect many barbels, but this year my attention was drawn to some unusual, I would say "more southern" animals. And the size is bigger, and the color is very different. Something in between the usual villoso.... And given.... With elements of cardua coloring - they were most likely called "fat villosoviridescens". A variation of a typical view? Maybe. Delivery / flash of dali? Why not. Hybridization? Doubtful.
But discussions didn't work out. Rather, it went in the direction of railway humor. Sorry.

Podaliriy in the area of the Bakovsky forest Park-I see it annually since 1996. I didn't see it en masse. But two or three copies-per season-really. This year - I didn't go much - I didn't see any.

Please tell me what kind of bug it is. The size is about seven millimeters. It was found on a tinder mushroom in the Moscow region on 29.06.2014.

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Please tell me what kind of bug it is. The size is about seven millimeters. It was found on a tinder mushroom in the Moscow region on 29.06.2014.

Sort of like Bolitophagus reticulatus (Tenebrionidae)

Sort of like Bolitophagus reticulatus (Tenebrionidae) 

Thank you. He.

Oldcatcher
Let me give you some advice-just so that discussions can continue to be successful.

But the presence of Aromia muschata on the territory of the Kurgan region, and in the north of the region, was not far from the railway station. The discovery was isolated, neither before nor after this barbel was not found. And if the finds on the territory of this area of the lunar copra or praying mantis can be explained by natural migration, then a single find in the railway area is possible in the case of migration with the help of anthropogenic factors.

By the way, why shouldn't Aromia moschata be found in the Kurgan region - with a trans-palearctic range and such a distribution:

It's a bit bad, but can someone tell me?? Ocd. Bryansk, June. Thank you.

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By the way, why shouldn't Aromia moschata be found in the Kurgan region - with a trans-palearctic range and such a distribution:
And this is only because, apparently, no one was particularly looking for, + a natural fluctuation in the number.

Viktor Dmitrievich, don't take me for a baby at all! The northern border of the musky barbel passes Astana-Petropavlovsk. It seems that there were also marks in the ribbon (relict) forests along the Tobol River. You can think a lot more about "not looking for", "hesitated" and so on. Every year up to a hundred people - University students-pass through the places of catching with nets, and if only a bright and beautiful beetle would not catch their eyes! And during the existence of the practice since 1968, it has NOT been recorded in student fees. Do you have any idea where the Kurgan region is? And its biogeographic zoning? I can see from the lines - which is very vague. And if it's vague , why not speculate?. Ivan Andreevich wasn't the only one who had good teachers... It's obviously the same for you. "I'm not sure, but that's my point of view."

Now about the discussions. I have already written - unusual instances. And I wanted to hear the arguments "why it's not so". I didn't hear it.
Long ago, about forty years ago, I was taught not to believe in "authoritative definitions". And believe me, this lesson was taught to me by world-renowned experts. It was said - doubt-hear the arguments.
And this is a minus not for me, but for individual colleagues, that the question of arguments is sliding down to railway humor. Thank God that at least not to toilet humor....
I'm sorry if I reacted more harshly than I probably should have. But right now, I'm just wondering what you have to say against the facts. Or say your colleague from the Railway station.

Well, what can I say..... After all, my humor is railway...
I'll just ask you a question:

I read the sections that define hymenoptera, that beetles, or how I can not understand, the feeling that Oldcatcher specifically provokes, while already knowing that he says absolute h..., I wanted to tell a lie.
It remains to understand why this is necessary for him?
A flood of several pages is obtained.

I read the sections that define hymenoptera, that beetles, or how I can not understand, the feeling that Oldcatcher specifically provokes, while already knowing that he says absolute h..., I wanted to tell a lie.
It remains to understand why this is necessary for him?
A flood of several pages is obtained.

this is an entomological troll

Hello) Please tell me what kind of ground beetle it is. Belgorod, dubrava, fell into a trap. Size approx. 0,6 cm.
Thank you.

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Well, what can I say..... After all, my humor is railway...
I'll just ask you a question:

What is this supposed to mean?
http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtop...ndpost&p=983456
http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtop...dpost&p=1248577
About A. cardui
Well, in any case, the beetle depicted here does not fit in with these:
http://www.zin.ru/Animalia/Coleoptera/rus/agacardk.htm
http://www.zin.ru/Animalia/Coleoptera/rus/agacarsc.htm
Or a trick of the eye?
Regarding the "Mantis from Zheleznodorozhny" YOU mentioned:
I have the honor to know the person who found it while passing through my city personally and accordingly found out the circumstances of the find in an interview.
I attach a point to make it more convincing:

He is 100% imported
Let's stop this stupid debate and get down to business

I have no complaints about you. But there were discrepancies. I spoke about the distribution of mantis, copra and musk barbel in the KURGAN region. Not in Moskvoskaya. It is known that musk barbel is widespread in northern Kazakhstan. Approximately south of the Astana-Petropavlovsk line. There were indistinct marks about its presence in the zone of ribbon (relict) forests, which also enter the Kurgan region. However, if the presence of a number of more southern species in the pine forest zone - mantis, Copra lunensis, cicada (approximately montana) - is repeatedly confirmed, then the Musk Barbel is at the level of rumors and conversations, although it is located further south along relict forests. In the area of Shadrinsk-there is only one find, and Shadrinsk is a large railway station.
I hope I've made myself clearer now? And about railway humor-see arrival in a soft car.

this is an entomological troll

Thank you for the compliment! But if you look closely at my words about agapantia-everything falls into place. I really wanted to get an informed opinion that this is a common MO view, and no miracles are expected)))))))

I didn't start any trouble, and I didn't make any plans. But I'm not going to slam the door-I don't see the point. Just like in trolling. And writing absolute nonsense!

Hello) Please tell me what kind of ground beetle it is. Belgorod, dubrava, fell into a trap. Size approx. 0,6 cm.
Thank you.

Badister is one of the nominative subgenus. I won't see anything until dark anyway: the monitor is standing in front of the window...

Badister is one of the nominative subgenus. I won't see anything until dark anyway: the monitor is standing in front of the window...

Thank you very much!

this is an entomological troll

Ilya, I didn't dare say this out loud, especially when you don't know who is "on the other side of the screen", but such thoughts also come to my mind.

I spoke about the distribution of mantis, copra and musk barbel in the KURGAN region.

What does it mean?