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08.12.2020 1:34, vidjl

M. B. yurtina ???

Yes, all the same, the lycaon is a male yurt and more and androconia are not the same, and the shape of the wings is different, spots and venation are not characteristic of it.
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14.12.2020 23:53, MIV

Is it possible to identify moths from ocd? Krasnoyarsk?

1. The span of the cr. 35mm is 13.06.20.
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2. Span of cr. 37mm - 28.06.20.

15.12.2020 8:52, svm2

!- Resembles Hypomecis punctinalis, but some small-I'm not sure
2-Alcis extinctaria

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15.12.2020 15:31, Alexander73

Good day!
I came across a photo of a megalopygid (?), which I took at first for a textile imitation, but then I found a source on the network, another photo of the same species and doubted itwink.gif

https://www.flickriver.com/photos/22012266@...piedrasblancas/

What are your opinions, colleagues?

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15.12.2020 17:32, MPN

Instance caught on 22.08.2020. Ukraine, Nikolaev. The wingspan is 80mm. I assumed it was Elocata catocala.
Could it be C. deducta?
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15.12.2020 19:50, MIV

!- Resembles Hypomecis punctinalis, but some small-I'm not sure
2-Alcis extinctaria


Thank you Vasily!
This is the first time I've seen Alcis extinctaria.
And under No. 1 is not by chance a female Deileptenia ribeata? I double - checked the dimensions-the same.

Here is another "muddy" view.

3. Span kr. 31mm-okr. Krasnoyarsk, 13.06.20.
picture: 3.__31______13.06.20..jpg

15.12.2020 23:57, sh1981

Good evening.
Tell me, please, the type of this moth.
August 2020. Kiev.

16.12.2020 9:18, svm2

Thank you Vasily!
This is the first time I've seen Alcis extinctaria.
And under No. 1 is not by chance a female Deileptenia ribeata? I double - checked the dimensions-the same.

Here is another "muddy" view.

3. Span kr. 31mm-okr. Krasnoyarsk, 13.06.20.


I have not yet seen a ribeata with such a median spot on the hind wings, so it is unlikely.
The latter is similar to Peribatodes orbis.
Show the reverse side, maybe that will clarify(and 1tozhe)
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16.12.2020 10:15, svm2

I probably made a mistake 2-A. repandata most likely

This post was edited by svm2 - 12/16/2020 12: 51
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16.12.2020 17:42, akulich-sibiria

good afternoon. From this photo, you can tell up to the rod? I cooked the genitals, I can't understand who it is, it looks more like a piralid in general, but I think it's an obvious leaf wrapper... confused.gif
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16.12.2020 21:48, Сергей-Д

is there something similar with Cochylis s. l.?

16.12.2020 23:31, Alexandr Zhakov

good afternoon. From this photo, you can tell up to the rod? I cooked the genitals, I can't understand who it is, it looks more like a piralid in general, but I think it's an obvious leaf wrapper... confused.gif

It seems to me, or at not tentacles in the top are lifted.

17.12.2020 4:56, Vlad Proklov

good afternoon. From this photo, you can tell up to the rod? I cooked the genitals, I can't understand who it is, it looks more like a piralid in general, but I think it's an obvious leaf wrapper... confused.gif

Imho, Phalonidia zygota.
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17.12.2020 8:21, akulich-sibiria

Imho, Phalonidia zygota.



super!! the genus is the same, I missed Razovsky for some reason by the structure of the genitals, and this species is not indicated in it, so I did not find it by the color of the wing. There is an article on the Internet, I'm sorry I can't download it, but there is a form of genitalia showing, I'll compare it at home. beer.gif

17.12.2020 10:13, svm2

I probably made a mistake 2-A. repandata most likely

Here is a comparison of extinctaria from your region from
Picture: Alcis_extinctaria_________________1.jpgthe ZMKU collection
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18.12.2020 19:20, dim-va

Good day!
I came across a photo of a megalopygid (?), which I took at first for a textile imitation, but then I found a source on the network, another photo of the same species and doubted itwink.gif

https://www.flickriver.com/photos/22012266@...piedrasblancas/

What are your opinions, colleagues?


It didn't work. It's exciting.
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18.12.2020 19:46, akulich-sibiria

good evening. It is similar in color to Eucosma campoliliana, but the genitals of the male are different. confused.gif
picture: IMG_20201218_233004_resized_20201218_113131688.jpg

18.12.2020 21:49, MIV

I have not yet seen a ribeata with such a median spot on the hind wings, so it is unlikely.
The latter is similar to Peribatodes orbis.
Show the reverse side, maybe that will clarify(and 1tozhe)


I finally got confused with these Alcis'ami weep.gif. Where is diversata, where is extinctaria, where is repandata wall.gif? Here are the underparts of previously laid out moths. Maybe they will clarify something.

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19.12.2020 10:20, svm2

More or less certain 2-A. repandata, female.
Presumably 1-H. punctinalis, 3-A. repandata, male
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19.12.2020 14:27, Vovan48

Please help me with the definition.In the first photo, all I think is Notodontidae. Caught in 2019 in Cambodia's Bokor National Park in March. The second photo shows Noctuidae caught in the Altai village of Aktash in June 2019. The upper one was identified as Hadena variolata, the middle one as Cucullia umbratica

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19.12.2020 18:24, vidjl

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19.12.2020 20:28, MIV

upper and middle right, lower-Polia bombycina


Can't Cucullia be lucifuga?

19.12.2020 20:46, MIV

A completely unfamiliar scoop from Khakassia.
Shirinsky district, Chernoe Ozero settlement. 7.07.20.
Span cr. 41mm
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And also from the same place. Similar to Polia conspicua.
Span cr. 42mm
picture: 3.jpg

And your opinion on the Hood. Caught there, too.
Span cr. 40mm
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19.12.2020 21:36, vidjl

Can't Cucullia be lucifuga?

There's definitely Cucullia umbratica, your C. lucifuga
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19.12.2020 22:21, vidjl

A completely unfamiliar scoop from Khakassia.
Shirinsky district, Chernoe Ozero settlement. 7.07.20.
Span cr. 41mm

Polia vespertilio
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20.12.2020 1:57, vidjl

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20.12.2020 23:13, vidjl

A completely unfamiliar scoop from Khakassia.
Shirinsky district, Chernoe Ozero settlement. 7.07.20.
Span cr. 41mm

Polia vespertilio

There, in the Shirinsky district, Chernoe Ozero settlement, in July, another interesting scoop should be found-Lasionycta skraelingia, very similar to Polia vespertilio, smaller in size, 30-36 mm.

This post was edited by vidjl-12/20/2020 23: 18
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21.12.2020 10:29, kovyl

good evening. It is similar in color to Eucosma campoliliana, but the genitals of the male are different. confused.gif
picture: IMG_20201218_233004_resized_20201218_113131688.jpg

Zhen, Eucosma is generally a tooth-crushing genus and it is not always possible to clearly separate species by genitals... Here you need an experienced eye and it is better to look at the series.

21.12.2020 11:55, Alexandr Zhakov

There's definitely Cucullia umbratica, your S. lucifuga

Look again, probably the other way around. The first is lucifuga (Vovan48), the second is umbratica (MIV).
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21.12.2020 13:36, akulich-sibiria

Zhen, Eucosma is generally a tooth-crushing genus and it is not always possible to clearly separate species by genitals... Here you need an experienced eye and it is better to look at the series.


Dmitry, yes, I came across some representatives of this genus and sometimes there are not enough genitals, but here I think both genitals and the wing pattern are quite original.
I looked at the determinants of DV and EC and Razovsky and Internet sources, according to the appearance of Eucosma campoliliana with small "blots", but the genitals are between Eucosma obumbratana and Eucosma hohenwartiana, but the color of the wings is strikingly different. Who else can I show you?..

21.12.2020 13:47, Vlad Proklov

Dmitry, yes, I came across some representatives of this genus and sometimes there are not enough genitals, but here I think both genitals and the wing pattern are quite original.
I looked at the determinants of DV and EC and Razovsky and Internet sources, according to the appearance of Eucosma campoliliana with small "blots", but the genitals are between Eucosma obumbratana and Eucosma hohenwartiana, but the color of the wings is strikingly different. Who else can I show you?..

IMHO, this is generally some kind of Epinotia.

21.12.2020 14:17, Ilia Ustiantcev

Indeed, what if it is an aberrant or a close relative of Epinotia subocellana?

21.12.2020 18:13, vidjl

Look again, probably the other way around. The first is lucifuga (Vovan48), the second is umbratica (MIV).

Thank you for correcting me, Alexander, that's how it is.
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21.12.2020 18:58, akulich-sibiria

Indeed, what if it is an aberrant or a close relative of Epinotia subocellana?


little like Epinotia confused.gif
for me, so Eucosma, pure water
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21.12.2020 20:28, Ilia Ustiantcev

Yeah, I can't tell by the genitals, but the photo of the genitals of subocellana in the Germans does not look like it at all. However, I also found a picture from them (from the original description, there are no photos) Eucosma pergratana, here it looks similar and is found nearby in Tyva.

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21.12.2020 20:55, akulich-sibiria

Yeah, I can't tell by the genitals, but the photo of the genitals of subocellana in the Germans does not look like it at all. However, I also found a picture from them (from the original description, there are no photos) Eucosma pergratana, here it looks similar and is found nearby in Tyva.



Well, this is clearly not Epinotia on the genitals, of course. In Eucosma pergratana, the lower part of the sacculus is confused. In my specimen, it is flat, the neck between the sacculus and cucculus is less noticeable, without a sharp intercept, but I will look further. Thank you.

21.12.2020 22:06, MIV

There, in the Shirinsky district, Chernoe Ozero settlement, in July, another interesting scoop should be found-Lasionycta skraelingia, very similar to Polia vespertilio, smaller in size, 30-36 mm.


Alexander, did you catch her there? It is not included in the Sineva catalog for 22 regions, but it is encouraging to find it in neighboring regions as well. If you have a photo of her, could you post it, otherwise there is no decent image on the network.

21.12.2020 22:18, MIV

Look again, probably the other way around. The first is lucifuga (Vovan48), the second is umbratica (MIV).


Thank you, Alexander! I spent the whole evening dealing with these CUCKOOS, damn them. I really doubted my knowledge of butterfliessmile.gif.
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22.12.2020 0:32, vidjl

Alexander, did you catch her there? It is not included in the Sineva catalog for 22 regions, but it is encouraging to find it in neighboring regions as well. If you have a photo of her, could you post it, otherwise there is no decent image on the network.

In the village of Shira in 2014, at the end of July, I caught two specimens, both males, one good, the other fairly beaten. Shira is probably only 50 kilometers from the Black Lake, I think it should also be there. In the collection were as undefined for a long time, I considered them banal, only in 2017 I identified them.
There are enough good images of this scoop on the web, there are definitely more than a hundred of them, especially on Japanese sites. I don't have any decent photography equipment yet, so there's no point in uploading an image from an iPhone. Here is the link to the Finnish website:
http://perhoset.nettitieto.fi/historia/had...skraelingia.htm
I don't remember where it came from yet:

This post was edited by vidjl - 22.12.2020 00: 40

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22.12.2020 1:59, Пензуит

1. Please tell me the wintering flat moth, if possible. Penza region.

picture: DSCN9628_16__.JPG



2. And this one, also wintering.

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3. And this possibly moth. July.


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