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31.08.2012 19:02, alex017

No need to really write all sorts of garbage and misinformation. I currently have an EPRA of various companies and capacities (70-150W) at home 6 pcs. Some of them have been working for 3-4 years. It should be used correctly: protect from surges in the spring and cool.
I would like to emphasize that we have been working for 12-13 hours a day for these years.

This post was edited by alex017 - 31.08.2012 19: 04

31.08.2012 19:05, Hierophis

I offer not garbage but a capacitor.

I just want to clarify that there has long been a type of modern civil alternative to chokes not only for low-power lumens. lapm but also for powerful ones.

At the same time, the efficiency of the EPR is very high, higher than that of the capacitor and several times higher than that of the choke, the generator will work much longer. Well, plus a small weight.
The only downside is that all this electronics burns down regularly and at the most inopportune moment..

31.08.2012 19:07, Alexandr Zhakov

Understood. yes.gif

31.08.2012 19:07, Hierophis

alex017, yeah, actually, solutions are discussed here that are not mainly for the room, so this EPRA will get wet on hikes, will be shaken, and what kind of" napruga " in the generator and how it jumps is already clear. My opinion is that the IC under the generator is an EPRA and will not work for a week.

31.08.2012 19:11, alex017

Let's start with the fact that imported epra (some) can operate in a very wide voltage range: 165 (185) - 240, for example, now I don't remember the exact numbers, however, electronics are "responsive" to voltage surges, hence penny generators will not go.
And in general, why not ll t5 for uv-ster? It will give you a lot of UV, the length is large...
And the visible light is from a powerful 4x diode flashlight, just don't forget about cooling.
You need to experiment. If I were such an avid entomologist and lover of fishing for light, I would try everything, but alas, I usually only go from home to the Internet, to work and to the store for a snack.

31.08.2012 19:19, Hierophis

Because pok atolko DRL is the best option for "folk" lamps for catching insects, in terms of price-power ratio, lack of fuss with cooling systems and generally ease of operation.

Modern LEDs do not shine much better per watt of power compared to DRL-well, two or three times, and the cost of all prichindal will probably be 50 times higher)))

11.09.2012 21:43, Alexander73

Good day to all time of day! Has anyone ever encountered mold on the screen? The screen from a linen tablecloth hung permanently from June to the very end of August, and literally for the last (rainy and cold) week ...it turned speckled black...
Repeated machine washing failed to restore the original whiteness. Now, of course, I understand that it was necessary to tuck the edge creeping to the ground, and pin it with the same clothespins, but I could not think that such a disaster could happen to such a good material... confused.gif

This post was edited by Alexander73 - 11.09.2012 21: 46

14.09.2012 18:11, Raptor

Which lamp will be better?

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14.09.2012 18:14, Raptor

what is worse than a mercury-tungsten throttle-free lamp before the drl?

14.09.2012 18:16, alex017

With a built-in 500W starter motor = g. It's almost an incandescent light bulb. The luminous flux is less than that of mg 150W.

14.09.2012 18:24, Raptor

the box says 12500 lumien,which is less than 150W mg?

14.09.2012 18:46, Bianor

what is worse than a mercury-tungsten throttle-free lamp before the drl?

It is also in a glass flask, almost does not give ultraviolet light.

14.09.2012 20:58, Hierophis

Raptor, the usual DRL 400 has a luminous flux of 25000 and this one has 12000 for 500W, and the incandescent lamp has 9000 for 500W. That's the difference.

And it is impossible to break it during the whole process, the spiral will burn immediately smile.gif
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15.09.2012 12:06, Bianor

I collected a temporary decoy for myself:

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15.09.2012 15:37, Alexander73

I collected a temporary decoy for myself:

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What an interesting construction! The grille presumably carries the throttle away from the wall? And CFL over pricked DRL - for what?
My "hospital" looks a lot more prosaic, although it is not on the wall of the house, but on the edge of the plot:




Throttle behind the screen-stands on a brick, and is covered with a cut-off 5-liter bottle planted on metal pins (from rain)
P.S. And about the BL-350 lamp - I used 15W - in the forest, and I can say that you can't do without additional lighting; a little brighter ( and whiter) Repti Glo 10, but also uncomfortable for the eyes.
And if we talk about efficiency, then you can't compare it with the DRL-250!

This post was edited by Alexander73 - 16.09.2012 07: 54

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15.09.2012 15:44, Bianor

Yes, it's simple - if you attach the cartridge to the wall, the lamp will be located horizontally and will not shine straight ahead. Later, when I close the roof, I will make two cartridges next to two DRL-kami next to each other, pricked and not pricked, with two different switches. Then no grids will be needed. smile.gif

15.09.2012 15:56, Alexander73

I still found my photo, I was already puzzled by another question ( I edited the first one)))

15.09.2012 20:58, Bianor

Sberegayka for eye protection - when you need to check for flying butterflies, turn off the DRL-ku so that your eyes do not burn.

16.09.2012 7:51, Alexander73

Clear. Then, of course, the use of two DRLs is unavoidable...

06.10.2012 19:02, niyaz

I collected a temporary decoy for myself:

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And where to hang the screen?

07.10.2012 8:57, alex017

Despite the fact that it was said a lot here that LEDs are garbage, i.e. they are not very efficient, I still decided on this path, so I bought this charger-a power source with different output voltage on 4 18650 5.5 Ah accumulators 3.6V5V9V12V19V24V 3A/2A Mobile Power USB 18650 Battery Charger+adaptor+connector.

I bought 4pcs solar panel (1.2 w*4) and voltage regulator to accurately set the battery charger voltage described above (input 16.8 V).

I bought a digital one ammeter and voltmeter, to make an indication of what the battery actually gives. They consume 8mA each.

I bought a 12V-220V inverter 200W USB Car Power Inverter Converter Adapter DC 12V to AC 220V Adaptor Convert so that you can turn on, say, a small pump for units of watts (we are not only interested in insects) or a micro-soldering iron if something falls off (and this, alas, happens).
It is bad that such cheap miniature devices are not sold at 24V with a modified sinusoid suitable for powering an electric motor, you will have to buy a powerful 4-10A dc-dc converter to be powered from the output of the 24V 2A power source and converted to 12V to expand the capabilities of the dc-ac converter with 30 (27) Watts when powered The source output is 15V 2A to 48W from the 24V 2A output.

Well, I almost got a power source that works regardless of civilization jump.gif

Now we plan to buy a 12V 1.5-2A LED driver, a radiator with a cooler from computer equipment and three modern white LEDs, lensing them with 30-degree optics.

The most interesting thing now is how much one set of accumulators will last...

09.10.2012 14:52, okoem

The most interesting thing now is how much one set of accumulators will last...

In my opinion, catchability is more interesting. smile.gif And operating time = capacity / load current.
This season, I have repeatedly caught on diodes - if there are years, then in a remote area it flies quite normally. Of course, the DRL250's catchability is far away, but the system can be carried in a backpack and independently shine in any interesting places.
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09.10.2012 15:39, alex017

The light output of the DRL (without a built-in trigger) is about 13klm. Or 50-60lm / w. From the SD in real operating modes, currents of about 1.5 A, you can have 125lm/w (I use these).
DRL shines in all directions, unlike sd. In this case, this is only a plus.
I plan to put a reflector that allows you to direct all the light flow exactly to the screen. If you use a translucent material, you can get a bright spot on both sides, and on the second I plan to hang UV leds or a lamp from a UV sterilizer with a 12V push-button device. As a result, on the reverse side you will get a bright light spot with UV light. Maybe it will be quite catchy in interesting places))

Calculating the operating time for the capacity of accumulators will not give much, because it is not clear how much the converter "eats" in reality, although it is written that the efficiency is 90%, but how to believe the Chinese?!.

09.10.2012 17:06, Hierophis

I bought such a charger - a power source with different output voltage

Well, does it work well? wink.gif

By the way, it seems like insects initially fly to the light of the lamp, the screen is just for them to land on it, and for some reason I think that many people do not sit on it at all.

In addition, according to one theory of the flight of insects to the light, they fly along the zvolvent to the center of the luminous point due to the fact that the light of the moon or sun comes to the Earth more evenly due to the distance of the light source, and also reflects from the earth's surface, and the rays from the light bulb are sharply reduced to one point.
And only one illuminated screen acc. it will not form a radial structure of rays and figs who will fly to it, that's the theory ))))

09.10.2012 17:25, alex017

Well, we can turn the source in the other direction and remove the lenses.
And the light will be "kntrogazza" from the screen.

And nothing prevents me from taking one or two ll's, powering them from the same source and catching them.

I still hope for sd.... Thanks for the theory, I didn't know!

02.11.2012 22:49, аруд

Tell me, is there anything else you can catch in the light in the Bryansk region?
Or is the season already over?
Thank You

03.11.2012 5:21, alex017

Would you rather tell everyone that?
Isn't it fun to spend a night with nature?
With a few degrees of heat, lighted lanterns in the shop, the absence of gates and the proximity of the forest, several butterflies and even large ones flew in the shop near the lanterns (Perm)

03.11.2012 10:24, Maksim M.

The scheme of behavior of insects on and near the screen, in different species, is not the same,someone sits down, someone flies nearby, flies along elliptical trajectories, some sit on surrounding objects, in general, the screen should reflect UV as much as possible,in this case there will be more people sitting on it,imho.

20.11.2012 19:19, alex017

Thanks!
Today comes the super-long-awaited universal DC-dc converter 3.7-24V (48W max) powered by 18650 lithium batteries! I almost lost hope of getting it.
A driver for diodes that can operate from such a converter over a wide configurable range of currents and voltages in transit.
It remains to make an effort and order LEDs. That's just in thought: order modern Cree'shki or 20W Chinese LED. The cost of a Chinese CD with a lens is very attractive, but the latter chips have a great return.
There is a problem: the driver without a radiator pulls 15W. How to unsolder the mikrukha and put it on the radiator, I do not know (I do not know how, or rather). From here, I can only plant 3sd and cover it with a common lens. I will order with a margin, maybe I can unsolder the lm from the board and put it on the radiator, so I will put 4 pcs.

This post was edited by alex017 - 19.01.2013 09: 59

20.11.2012 20:47, Bad Den


Today comes the super-long-awaited universal DC-dc converter 3.7-24V (48W max) powered by 18650 lithium batteries!

How much does it weigh? Where did you order it?

20.11.2012 21:07, vasiliy-feoktistov

 
There is a problem: the driver without a radiator pulls 15W. How to unsolder the mikrukha and put it on the radiator, I do not know (I do not know how, or rather). From here, I can only plant 3sd and cover it with a common lens. I will order with a margin, maybe I can unsolder the lm from the board and put it on the radiator, so I will put 4 pcs.

Doesn't roll?. Or something similar. Essno radiator to choose the size to "fit".

This post was edited by vasiliy-feoktistov - 20.11.2012 21: 13

21.11.2012 4:52, alex017

This thing weighs almost nothing. Without the 18650 itself-fluff in general.
Ordered on Ibey, accumulators for 5300mah-in the same place .
I have hot-melt glue, the problem is that the lm element, on which you need to put the radiator, is soldered to the signet, I can't tear it off (on another handkerchief burned by my carelessness - for training).
The converter
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?V...ME:L:OC:US:3160
Driver
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5-35V-LM2596-DC-...ME:L:OC:US:3160
Batteries
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=5300m...attery&_sacat=0
It is those that I have 5300mah did not find for some reason.

Today I still bought a lens with отражателемhttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=221064092469

Diodes (several cree xml u2) will take from the bins.

It remains to decide on the radiator.
Here it would not hurt tips in terms of where to get a high-performance with a powerful 12V cooler with an area of 80x80mm and a price that does not bite. It is required to dissipate about 15W of heat power and that the radiator heating does not exceed 55 degrees.

This post was edited by alex017 - 21.11.2012 19: 37
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21.11.2012 21:28, Hierophis

  
Today comes the super-long-awaited universal DC-dc converter 3.7-24V (48W max) powered by 18650 lithium batteries!

Of course, I apologize, but judging by the appearance of the parts of this converter, it can give out 48W approximately like this tape recorder wink.gif

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It seems to me that in long-term mode, a stable 10W will give out, approximately like the average consumption of an average laptop.
I recommend that you turn on the load and check what happens.

I have a Soviet converter +5V +24V (12+12-) ok 20W for industrial computers such as DVK, it is the size of two matchboxes, but there is a large ferrite transformer and powerful, you can see field-effect transistors, it probably weighs 100 grams wink.gif
And here there are two transformers approximately as on 5W pulse charges.
Or is it still a Chinese economic and electrical miracle? smile.gif

21.11.2012 23:30, Bad Den

This thing weighs almost nothing. Without the 18650 itself-fluff in general.
Ordered on Ibey, accumulators for 5300mah-in the same place .
I have hot-melt glue, the problem is that the lm element, on which you need to put the radiator, is soldered to the signet, I can't tear it off (on another handkerchief burned by my carelessness - for training).
The converter
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?V...ME:L:OC:US:3160
Driver
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5-35V-LM2596-DC-...ME:L:OC:US:3160
Batteries
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=5300m...attery&_sacat=0
It is those that I have 5300mah did not find for some reason.

To hell with diodes, there's a better way smile.gif
With this converter and high-pressure batteries (6000 It is possible to connect UV tubes (as well as daylight), without a heavy lead battery, which, moreover, they strive to withdraw at the aeroport

22.11.2012 0:24, Hierophis

I'm generally shocked, alex017, why was it necessary to buy this converter? This is a target device designed specifically for the convenience of charging and using different devices. Why it was necessary to buy it for these purposes is not clear.
If you need 24V, you can buy 8 batteries, if you need 12V, we buy 4 batteries. Especially since the driver is adjustable!

alex017, tell me honestly, did you buy this converter just to buy something? wink.gif

22.11.2012 4:55, alex017

I will honestly say that I am going to create a backup power supply system with 400ah accumulators, an inverter and a generator in case of an emergency, which is not clear why (for most) wink.gif

I bought this converter to be able to connect equipment and leave it for a long time (to support the life of captured marine life). Angry hotel workers sometimes pull the plugs out of the sockets, so I need equipment that works for a very long time on direct current, and it needs to be powered with something.

This converter will prevent a full discharge of the batteries at least, and also charge them decently, i.e. an additional charger, a wide range of voltage changes. I will definitely conduct experiments, how can I do without it? If it doesn't work, I'll just buy a box for the batteries purely for the sake of fishing, but protection against over - discharge would still be needed.

Samsung batteries on the link - 3000 mAh total, and I have 5000 mAh.

Lumens are suitable only as UV sources, and even then-only from a UV sterilizer, there is a lot of UV. It is better not to use ordinary lumens. More than 500lm from the diode is quite realistic to get, even without particularly straining yourself, you can get 1500lm of light in the direction of the forest)) Next to it, you can hang a UV sterilizer lamp, but you will need more batteries.

I have a 90W laptop. I would have been weaker, I would have tried to turn it on from this miniature block, but I'm afraid of burning it.

This post was edited by alex017 - 22.11.2012 19: 31

22.11.2012 21:19, okoem

 
I have a 90W laptop. I would have been weaker, I would have tried to turn it on from this miniature block, but I'm afraid of burning it.

If there is a short-circuit protection, then you can not be afraid...


Last season, I caught it on diodes, connected it to the acc. directly.
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This post was edited by okoem - 22.11.2012 21: 19
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23.11.2012 4:44, alex017

And what exactly were these diodes?

23.11.2012 8:39, okoem

And what exactly were these diodes?

Ribbon, SMD 5050 white cold.
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23.11.2012 8:49, alex017

Oooh, well then I'm glad! Because my 3-4 diodes will shine like the sun in comparison to this!
I bought the same dc inverter epra http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...ME:L:OC:US:3160
It remains to choose a lamp. Watts at 12 to take I think. Or is it 16 better? I'm more afraid that the batteries will not pull.

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