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29.01.2013 9:11, alex017

And if napruga 110-120V?

29.01.2013 10:03, Bad Den

And if napruga 110-120V?

So can you ask the seller smile.gif

29.01.2013 12:11, alex017

Well, he's a smart guy, he's already sent the product, but he didn't respond to the request, asshole.
I saw akki, where it says 230V directly. Here will return me ibey 800re, I will buy a second ACC with a charger.

There are such monsters! http://www.ebay.com/itm/12V-10A-Portable-3...=item23225191b2
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DC-12V-6500MA-9V-8...=item53efedcdbc

This post was edited by alex017 - 29.01.2013 12: 27

29.01.2013 17:29, alex017

The voltage of the charger that I bought matches!! jump.gif jump.gif
3800ma 12V for only 392.60 rubles, if these are real parameters, then cool!

I want to take 10 minutes. But how do the numbers and reality relate?!

By the way, these things are powered by 18650 batteries, at least some of them.

This post was edited by alex017 - 29.01.2013 17: 30

29.01.2013 18:58, Bad Den


I want to take 10 minutes. But how do the numbers and reality relate?!


I found 40,000 smile.gif
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-DC-12V-10A-Por...=item3f1ad971eb

It really says 30,000, and the weight is almost 2 kg, but nevertheless)))

This post was edited by Bad Den - 29.01.2013 19: 08

29.01.2013 19:21, alex017

I also gave links to some batteries above 40Ah, 30ah, 20ach, 18ach, 9.8 Ah, 6.5 Ah.

In the search, type Li ion 12V
Or Li ion battery 12V

In short, you change the names, the result changes.

I've already found it myself.

I want to take something universal so that I can charge my phone on the plane, for example. I don't want that blue package. I like black more, there are definitely 18650e batteries packed, they write about this in the description.

This post was edited by alex017 - 29.01.2013 19: 23

29.01.2013 19:25, alex017

I don't have that 40Ah battery, because it must be charged indefinitely otherwise it will explode. 15h is some kind of bullshit.

29.01.2013 19:50, Bad Den

I don't have that 40Ah battery, because it must be charged indefinitely otherwise it will explode. 15h is some kind of bullshit.

And 20 Ah is real?

29.01.2013 20:03, alex017

My logic:
my batteries, which hold a decent load, charge for 5-7h depending on the charger, and I have three different ones. Ampere hours they have about 2-2. 4.
The purchased 3.8 Ah battery is charged for 8 hours. It strongly looks like the truth, if the charger is adjusted exactly to it, it will give out 3-3. 5 Ah.
Then I found the charging time of the 6.8 Ah battery - about 15h.
9.8 Ah-24h.
One thing follows from this: change the type of batteries inside to LiPo or lies, but there are also a lot of disadvantages.
Battery LiPO also available.
So figs knows it....I don't like the blue ones from the NRA. I don't know why, I won't buy them.

29.01.2013 20:10, Bad Den

I think I'll take the blue 20-ku
Capacity as it can be measured?

29.01.2013 20:16, alex017

May. Expensive, with a special counter.
You can do it cheap. With a tester, you measure the current of the connected device and leave the battery to plow to death, then you will find out about the ah.
Another method, however, is based on the experience of using batteries: if a freshly brought battery is charged for say 12 hours, then it will work tolerably, and if it is charged in 1-2 hours, then it is a waste one.
What makes you want to go blue? This is fucking dumb China. Although to advise something here is a finger in the sky. Protruding wires will bend, break, even xs that. You need a collapsible unit where you can disassemble, solder, and so on. Maintainability is a great thing. I don't recommend blue ones.

By the way, you should count on a faulty toggle switch! I'll take palyanik with me....)))

This post was edited by alex017 - 29.01.2013 20: 18

29.01.2013 20:24, Bad Den

May. Expensive, with a special counter.

A load plug for car batteries won't work?

29.01.2013 20:36, alex017

I do not have a car and I do not know what kind of plug it is.

Look what I found!
For home-builders who make starting lamps and SD drivers themselves-just right!
48V 10Ah 6h charging 4kg $265 + intermediary

There are also no intermediaries, with chargers

This post was edited by alex017 - 29.01.2013 20: 38

29.01.2013 20:57, alex017

I thought that if you need an accumulator and quickly, with a guarantee, then you can go to the tool store and buy an accumulator for the desired voltage with high Ah and a charger for it, but the disadvantage is that the charger will have to be modified to reduce the size and the battery - too. Like there is on 2-3ACH.

29.01.2013 21:05, Bad Den

I do not have a car and I do not know what kind of plug it is.


Here
http://www.piterinstrument.ru/shop/UID_3593.html

30.01.2013 4:52, alex017

You can probably...
- allows you to measure the voltage, including in load simulation mode
-tests the degree of charging, the probability of short circuit, breakage in the battery

Only on small capacities, will it show correctly?

30.01.2013 12:04, alex017

I would like to make a number of assumptions.
1. Charging time is a mystery. What it can be understood only after the purchase.
2. Battery design. It is clear that it is a typesetting system. It is dialed from lithium cells of 3.7 V nominal, 4.2-4.25 V no-load voltage and it is also a charger.
Now imagine the situation. 12.6 V charging voltage indicates a series connection of 3 cells with an idle voltage of 12.6 V, as a result, when measured with a voltmeter, the battery will give 12V, and when used, the voltage will very quickly drop to 3.6-3.7 V.
3. The cut-off voltage, i.e. the minimum is 10.8 V, which means cutting off the load at a voltage of 3.6 V per cell, while the minimum voltage of a lithium battery is up to 2.5 V, i.e. up to this figure, the battery is able to produce a normal current and hold the load, but we are interested in 10.5 V in the case of ready-made devices, because undervoltage protection is triggered at this value.
4. I strongly doubt the effectiveness of these PSUs. Very very much!
The cost of such a device for 12V 10Ah should be about 1.5 hundred green.
5. You can only squeeze the acc to the limit with a homemade device with a cut-off threshold below about 10V.
6. Cheap and simple power supply problem can not be solved and even try is not worth it. You need to think about some expensive and modern traction lithium polymer, by the way explosive, accumulators and sculpt the lamp starter yourself.
7. Practice will show, but I think that the battery I bought is just a worthless toy at the level of 3x 18650 1200mAh batteries with incorrect calculation of AH summation when connected in series instead of writing the real 1000-1200ah, because ah is added up only when connected in parallel.
Hence, the indicated figure in Ah should be divided by 3 for this Chinese guano.

30.01.2013 15:48, Bad Den

I would like to make a number of assumptions.
1. Charging time is a mystery. What it can be understood only after the purchase.
2. Battery design. It is clear that it is a typesetting system. It is dialed from lithium cells of 3.7 V nominal, 4.2-4.25 V no-load voltage and it is also a charger.
Now imagine the situation. 12.6 V charging voltage indicates a series connection of 3 cells with an idle voltage of 12.6 V, as a result, when measured with a voltmeter, the battery will give 12V, and when used, the voltage will very quickly drop to 3.6-3.7 V.
3. The cut-off voltage, i.e. the minimum is 10.8 V, which means cutting off the load at a voltage of 3.6 V per cell, while the minimum voltage of a lithium battery is up to 2.5 V, i.e. up to this figure, the battery is able to produce a normal current and hold the load, but we are interested in 10.5 V in the case of ready-made devices, because undervoltage protection is triggered at this value.
4. I strongly doubt the effectiveness of these PSUs. Very very much!
The cost of such a device for 12V 10Ah should be about 1.5 hundred green.
5. You can only squeeze the acc to the limit with a homemade device with a cut-off threshold below about 10V.
6. Cheap and simple power supply problem can not be solved and even try is not worth it. You need to think about some expensive and modern traction lithium polymer, by the way explosive, accumulators and sculpt the lamp starter yourself.
7. Practice will show, but I think that the battery I bought is just a worthless toy at the level of 3x 18650 1200mAh batteries with incorrect calculation of AH summation when connected in series instead of writing the real 1000-1200ah, because ah is added up only when connected in parallel.
Hence, the indicated figure in Ah should be divided by 3 for this Chinese guano.

I bought this one http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=170937990572
Let's see what we get

30.01.2013 15:51, alex017

What exactly did you like about it other than the price?
I decided to find such accumulators in Russia. So they will be higher in size.
Link

30.01.2013 15:56, Bad Den

What exactly did you like about it other than the price?
I decided to find such accumulators in Russia. So they will be higher in size.
Link

Price and free shipping, since you still can't check it remotely
, I'll take another one here http://www.ebay.com/itm/180794707806?ssPag...984.m1438.l2649 since you need 2 pieces and at the same time check this option.

30.01.2013 16:26, alex017

Don't take it, you'll regret it later. So much money going nowhere. Better score now. With the money you spent, you could get a really powerful acc. I wanted one too, but I don't believe them, you know?
How to push so much Ah into such a box? Unreal!!
Look link there is the same frequency response and the dimensions are much larger than 124x79x32.
See further my link to the test of 18650 accumulators. From this test, it is clearly clear that one good 18650 battery fits 2.5 Ah, and such a battery costs well $8 on the market. That is, for the volume occupied by this battery - the limit! Its dimensions are 68 mm long and 18.5 mm in diameter.
In the case of my link purely prikidochno fit one battery in a width of 79 mm and 2 in a height of 32 mm (in reality, there are "barrels", not 18650e, I'm too lazy to look for suitable ones), in the length of 6 batteries. In total, you get 12 pcs or 4 groups of 3 batteries. The capacity of the group is equal to the battery capacity, in total 2. 5x4=10Ah.
Everything seems to fit together. Except for the cost. Why the fuck do Chinese people give you presents?
They will not put there elements with a capacity of 2.5 Ah!!! It's expensive! The cost of the device would be about a hundred ue, but not lower by 2 times, not lower in any way!
But I took an element with a super-good, almost unbearable return for basement Chinks!
Think about it!!

30.01.2013 18:39, Ihar

Guys!!!!!
Has anyone tried shining a 250W DRL through the throttle,or a DRV of the same power
with such a battery and such a 1000W converter?800_0.jpegpicture: i.jpeg
Will the battery pull and how long will it last?

30.01.2013 19:08, alex017

What about the fact that the question should contain 50% of the answer, eh?
Why do I need to search for this image?
DRL
is a regular 55Ah battery. What kind of technology it has in this case is not important at all.
Well, then everything is simple. By the way, does your inverter produce pure sine? Without a pure sine, I would not have tried to turn on the throttle, xs what happens.
However, you can try it.
You are looking for a 50A ammeter, connect it to the power supply circuit of the inverter and measure the no-load current simply from the address)) Then you turn on the load and measure the current consumed by the inverter (on the low side, it is visible). You get the number of amps, for example 30. Divide by the number of ampere hours and you get about 1h 50min. With epra - longer.
Just fuck all these perversions?
The starting current and power are twice as high as the operating parameters.
Own consumption of the inverter is approximately up to 10% of the nominal value.
The power of the inverter must be close to the lamp power, taking into account the start-up.
You're in a car, or you won't be able to carry such a thing.
Buy a generator and don't worry.

The DRV will definitely light up, regardless of the sine and the trigger is not necessary. A sump lamp. On light output-shit. Without the bulb, you can't just light it, and with the bulb, it doesn't make sense.

If you want to use accumulators, switch to modern sources such as LEDs, which eat very little, but give a lot of light, for example, the light output of drv250w and 50W sd is the same, and it will shine for 10-11h. Only need a driver and an inverter for 150-200W. Everything is compact, well, except that the battery is not compact.
Stick to this ll from the UV sterilizer and you will get an analog of drl. Only consume it will be minuscule, again for the night enough.
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30.01.2013 20:07, niyaz

Guys!!!!!
Has anyone tried shining a 250W DRL through the throttle,or a DRV of the same power
with such a battery and such a 1000W converter?
Will the battery pull and how long will it last?

Enough for a little over an hour. An autogenerator with a 55 ah battery will not pull 250wat, the generator does not have time to charge. 160 W - maximum.

This post was edited by niyaz - 30.01.2013 20: 09
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31.01.2013 16:49, alex017

If you have a car, what's the problem with buying a generator? Reliable, even if you put 400W drl.
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31.01.2013 17:00, Bad Den

If you have a car, what's the problem with buying a generator? Reliable, even if you put 400W drl.

By car for a long time in the tropics to go))
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31.01.2013 17:41, Ihar

You can also buy a generator. There are not very expensive ones, from 160 to 300 US rubles
Approximately like thispicture: _iken_MG_950C.jpegpicture: ___________800.jpegpicture: NIKKEY_PG_800.jpeg
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31.01.2013 17:59, Ihar

What are the best LEDs? If possible with a photo.

31.01.2013 18:04, alex017

Dragging a multi-kilogram accumulator through thousands of kilometers is no less problematic than a generator, but less efficient.

31.01.2013 18:06, alex017

What about the photo? You drive led 50w into the battery and see that the light output is about 100lm/w.
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31.01.2013 18:08, Ihar

Dragging a multi-kilogram accumulator through thousands of kilometers is no less problematic than a generator, but less efficient.

Why drag it if you can carry it

31.01.2013 18:12, Ihar

It's okay for me to catch at least a small homeland.

31.01.2013 18:43, alex017

There is a generator for small motherland! Listen to my advice!)))
After all, I am perverted because of a long trip and because of the desire to do something interesting and new, including, and not just fishing for the sake of.
LED, 12V driver and no need to take the inverter with you, radiator, lens with reflector and retainer, fan-a computer cooler can be selected according to the size of the radiator in any computer store. Don't forget a better thermal paste to put the diode on the radiator!
12V ballast for lum. lamps., powerful compact uv lamp.
Everything, a complete set!

This post was edited by alex017 - 31.01.2013 18: 45
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31.01.2013 18:56, СергейС.С

It's okay for me to catch at least a small homeland.

And where do you go fishing in your small homeland?

31.01.2013 19:03, niyaz

What are the best LEDs? If possible with a photo.

Rigid LEDs are considered one of the brightest.
user posted image

This post was edited by niyaz - 31.01.2013 19: 04
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31.01.2013 19:16, alex017

What kind of lamp, what parameters? What kind of diodes, is there a radiator, forced cooling? Cost, dimensions, where to buy? Without these parameters, well, it's not interesting at all.
SD lights die and die, I have a lot of them at work already discarded.
To say bright is almost nothing..... I have nothing against it, but after saying "a", it would be necessary to finish "b"....

31.01.2013 19:37, niyaz

What kind of lamp, what parameters? What kind of diodes, is there a radiator, forced cooling? Cost, dimensions, where to buy? Without these parameters, well, it's not interesting at all.

Google will give you more complete information than I did. In general, they are not cheap, the price and size depend on the number of LEDs in the lamp. They are most often used to install additional lighting on cars.

31.01.2013 19:44, alex017

I've already tormented Google. Everything that is sold for cars is often overpriced.
A lantern made according to my links will shine quite well, or rather-just killer for those who have not seen how these lanterns with optics shine - the main thing is not to substitute your eyes, it's easy to buy, not very expensive and durable, you can assemble it in half an hour, you can seal it.
You can put the latest generation of cree LEDs on my radiator, individual expensive optics and it will be super cool, but why do you need to have such difficulties?!

31.01.2013 20:14, tiger33

And who can say anything about UV LEDs? for example like this http://alled.ru/uv-1.html? they are available from 400 nM. I understand that there is no comparison with a pricked DRL, but if you compare it with the same fluorescent UV tube?

31.01.2013 20:18, alex017

In addition to insects, I am also interested in the marine aquarium. And among marine aquarists, there are many first-class specialists in sd. So one of them told me that uv LEDs have too short a service life, even though they are well cooled.
This is the reason why I bother with lumens without phosphor! So far, this is the only way to get uv without drl. Your idea did not visit you alone....

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