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15.03.2014 10:31, AGG

I'm ah....yu! eek.gifas in these scribbles can be cho understand wall.gifyou would be engaged in business, your energy yes in a peaceful channel-squeaks to butterflies and beetles to tear, for example. there everything is clear and understandable: valva, cornutus, unkus, juxta... and here you are 3 blue ones, resistance, a photosensor-a complete edeagus of some kind with a visica wall.gif
no offensemol.gif, I bow down to people who are friends with a soldering iron, but... where is the result!? where is the pocket generator that feeds the drl 250 from fresh air, and not 20 kg of batteries for 5 LEDs?
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04.04.2014 17:56, PhilGri

Tell me, please, whether it is possible to use a full-face mask made of thin transparent plastic (about 1 mm) to protect the face from pricked DRL-such helmet masks are used in the household to protect against sparks, splashes, sawdust, etc.
Like this, for example:
NBT-EURO protective mask
Combined with sunglasses.
I take safety seriously, but I don't want to smear my face with cream.

This post was edited by PhilGri - 04.04.2014 18: 00

04.04.2014 20:36, niyaz

Tell me, please, whether it is possible to use a full-face mask made of thin transparent plastic (about 1 mm) to protect the face from pricked DRL-such helmet masks are used in the household to protect against sparks, splashes, sawdust, etc.
Like this, for example:
NBT-EURO protective mask
Combined with sunglasses.
I take safety seriously, but I don't want to smear my face with cream.

Wearing sunglasses at night is very difficult to see. Take a closer look at the mask with the yellow color of the glass, it retains ultraviolet light quite well and at the same time everything is normally visible.
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04.04.2014 20:44, Hierophis

Plastic does not retain UV! To protect your eyes, just ordinary, but always glass glasses are enough, this is 100%. And here is the rest - here perishing zvynyayte)
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04.04.2014 20:58, PhilGri

Plastic does not retain UV! To protect your eyes, just ordinary, but always glass glasses are enough, this is 100%. And here is the rest - here perishing zvynyayte )

It turns out that a regular shirt delays, but plastic does not?
OK, then as a last resort, I'll cover the mask with something opaque, leaving only a transparent strip for the eyes.
Thank you.

04.04.2014 20:59, PhilGri

Wearing sunglasses at night is very difficult to see. Take a closer look at the mask with the yellow color of the glass, it retains ultraviolet light quite well and at the same time everything is normally visible.

I haven't seen glass masks in a very long time. They put plastic everywhere, which is understandable.

04.04.2014 21:05, Hierophis

Well, in general, a shirt, especially a summer one, does not delay much, it breaks through the fabric easily! It seems like a contrast, but it's a contrast between very tanned exposed parts and not much-under a thin shirt smile.gif
But in general, the UV from drlki, although much more dangerous than the sun, is also much stronger, according to books, it weakens, there are very short waves, about 150 or approx. that one.
But nevertheless, I somehow foolishly turned on a similar lamp in Terra with plants, well, there for ozonesmile.gif, and only 16W, and then not at full power and half insulated with foil!!! In general-literally 7 hours of exposure and almost everything died out!! So you'd better be careful..

This post was edited by Hierophis-04.04.2014 21: 06
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04.04.2014 21:24, AGG

  

for the duration of 3 thousand posts obmusolivaetsya that there is no big difference in the summer and there is trouble for the eyes!
question-what do you need it for (prick drl)? wall.gif
there are more "catchy" things wink.gifI have a friend who LIVES (and supports his family) by catching butterflies, after one of the trips he has been gluing the retina to the remains of the eyes for the second year-do you want me to advise you on the recipe and address?
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04.04.2014 21:52, PhilGri

Well, in general, a shirt, especially a summer one, does not delay much, it breaks through the fabric easily! It seems like a contrast, but it's a contrast between very tanned exposed parts and not much-under a thin shirt smile.gif
But in general, the UV from drlki, although much more dangerous than the sun, is also much stronger, according to books, it weakens, there are very short waves, about 150 or approx. that one.
But nevertheless, I somehow foolishly turned on a similar lamp in Terra with plants, well, there for ozonesmile.gif, and only 16W, and then not at full power and half insulated with foil!!! In general-literally 7 hours of exposure and almost everything died out!! So you'd better be careful..


That's right, I always wondered how a summer shirt can delay something there a lot...
And in thick clothes in the summer toil somehow not worth it, too...
In theory, the most attractive spectrum for insects is longer than 150. Something there in the region of 300-350, it seems. So there are definitely longer ones, too. And yet how.

This post was edited by PhilGri-04.04.2014 22: 23

04.04.2014 23:52, Hierophis

Well, I agree that "bioUF" is a spectrum bordering on 400, but the fact is that the crushed DRL alas, slightly less than fully produces 153 or sofrown.gif, but with ka kraz glass, those waves that are about 400 are more likely to pass, so yes, it's better with glass-only physics, nothing superfluous ))
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05.04.2014 1:14, PhilGri

Well, I agree that "bioUF" is a spectrum bordering on 400, but the fact is that the crushed DRL alas, slightly less than fully produces 153 or sofrown.gif, but with ka kraz glass, those waves that are about 400 are more likely to pass, so yes, it's better with glass-only physics, nothing superfluous ))

Stop-stop-stop... You turn my picture of the world upside downsmile.gif, like I thought it was common knowledge that people fly much better to Kolotovaya. I've read about it everywhere. Including here. Yes, and I myself have observed this several times on streetlights. Here last year I caught under the lights on the railway platform. One lantern had a cocoanut bulb , so there were three times as many butterflies hanging out there as on the entire long platform combined. Why do people then prick DRL and are at risk?..
I don't understand smile.gifanything

05.04.2014 9:34, Hierophis

PhilGri, I myself caught on a pricked DRL, nothing good wink.gifBesides, if you look at the reports on the catches of venerable entomologists, then I don't remember something there with a pricked DRL, everywhere with a shell smile.gif

I looked in Google -, unlike quartz low-pressure lamps, in the DRL bulb, dangerous radiation (185nm and not 153) does not prevail so much but.. here is the "statement" smile.gif

"The most intense lines (in the DRL flask) are 184.9499, 253.6517, 435.8328 nm."

So well, its nafik)))
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05.04.2014 10:52, Alexandr Zhakov

Never pricked the DRL shell, this is for fans of Russian roulette. smile.gif
Definitely you can catch much more, but not only insects, but also all sorts of troubles, both around and on yourself. I last year, caught on someone else's DRL, turned out to be with a crack, paid for 4 hours, a week's photophobia weep.gifof the vampireyes.gif's eyes, and the skin all peeled off my face. The owner of the lamp was a little worse, he caught two hours more.
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05.04.2014 12:58, PhilGri

Hierophis, what about the difference between DRL and DRV - have you noticed? They say that in general DRL is better than DRV.

05.04.2014 13:01, Maksim M.

And you also need to protect everything with cream, and hands with gloves, because under the nails can also burn, they do not weaken the hard UV.In my case-I often catch with the child and his wife finally can not.As an option, you sit behind a shelter and work a stab machine for 40-50 minutes,then go and turn it off and collect animals under the savings banks,then turn it on again-and the cycle continues...
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05.04.2014 13:10, PhilGri

Dada, that's exactly what I was thinking - with a shelter. Probably, you can just move away for 30-40 meters and not look at the stab?

Uh-huh, blind protection, including gloves required. And no one around.

This post was edited by PhilGri-05.04.2014 13: 12

05.04.2014 13:31, AGG

let's say! what is 10-20% more for a chipped meal (another question in qty or quality?). now let's face it...
a fairly large percentage does not land on the screen while waiting for death, but flies along a tangent - therefore, constant monitoring is necessary, while you are sitting in a hut and counting the minutes of the ring road to turn off the stab lamp.
result - efficiency of the split = 0, if not less
conclusion: either make traps for the "split" one, and catch it yourself in the side for the whole one, or http://www.mntk.ru/ well, or a welding mask (the other day I saw painted ones for any style wink.gif)
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05.04.2014 14:29, Hierophis

PhilGri, DRV is the same as DRL, only with an incandescent filament inside instead of a throttle, in general, in short - this is garbage! because the spiral takes up a lot of energy, the beam uses capacitors instead of a choke smile.gif

And yet, a very important detail, from the radiation of 185nm tan is not formed, it is formed from the side less harmful ranges of 250-370, but it does not save, from 185 cells die or regenerate on any type of skin, and peeling of the skin and pain in the eyes is not the worst, melanoma should be afraid wink.gif
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05.04.2014 18:03, Konung

Hierophis, what about the difference between DRL and DRV - have you noticed? They say that in general DRL is better than DRV.

it always flies better on DRL than on DRV of the same power
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05.04.2014 18:42, PhilGri

PhilGri, DRV is the same as DRL, only with an incandescent filament inside instead of a throttle, in general, in short - this is garbage! because the spiral takes up a lot of energy, the beam uses capacitors instead of a choke smile.gif


Thank you. Can I tell you more about how to use capacitors instead of a choke? For a kettle in electrical smile.gifengineering, due to the lack of a machine, the throttle is always a problem for me - it weighs quite a lot. Especially when flying by plane. What should be the standard scheme for DRL 250?

05.04.2014 20:39, Pavel Morozov

Thank you. Can I tell you more about how to use capacitors instead of a choke? For a kettle in electrical smile.gifengineering, due to the lack of a machine, the throttle is always a problem for me - it weighs quite a lot. Especially when flying by plane. What should be the standard scheme for the AWACS 250?

I'll reinvent the wheel, perhaps. wink.gif
Here, the throttle has a clear advantage, namely, the throttle in a sealed case. I put it in my backpack and went (or went). On the spot, it's a small matter - connect it to the wires and the lamp and to the source.
The question arises: wouldn't an alternative circuit be less convenient and less reliable in the field, as opposed to a heavy throttle?
In addition, the DRL-125 flies no worse than the 250, at least in my experience.

And if the use of DRL in the field is unacceptable for you due to the increase in the mass of the structure, then why not use the same DRV together with the black light lamp, which has an E27 base and does not require chokes, but complements the main light source.
In the field, far from the lights, it will be good to fly on the DRV.

Also: don't forget about the weather, moon phase, etc.
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05.04.2014 20:52, Hierophis

Thank you. Can I tell you more about how to use capacitors instead of a choke? For a kettle in electrical smile.gifengineering, due to the lack of a machine, the throttle is always a problem for me - it weighs quite a lot. Especially when flying by plane. What should be the standard scheme for the AWACS 250?

Yes, use a capacitor as well as a choke, only with the selection of capacitance you need to guess. Here I have now specifically what is constantly working - this drl 150 + capacitor 20mkf 310V, MBGO, but this is because what is, better MBGCH 300V or MBGO 400V.
MBGO can break through to 320V, here as luck would have it, I had one warmed up, and the second turned out to be better, after all, the USSR, you can see in reality for 325B the real threshold was) It weighs less than 100g, probably 60 grams.

You need to select it, you can calculate it in theory, but in reality it is better to choose it with current control. If the capacity is less, the lamp will burn dimly, it will not enter the mode, if it is more, it will melt 100% smile.gif
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05.04.2014 21:08, Hierophis

In general, I have a 125W DRL lamp, and my capacitor weighs 150g, but this is what you need:
http://www.snabhelp.com.ua/index.php/elekt...0v-20mkf-detail

they write that 250g, but still better than the throttle, it weighs about 2kg for this lamp smile.gifand the condesator does not heat up.
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05.04.2014 23:28, Musson max

In general, I have a 125W DRL lamp, and my capacitor weighs 150g, but this is what you need:
http://www.snabhelp.com.ua/index.php/elekt...0v-20mkf-detail

they write that 250g, but still better than the throttle, it weighs about 2kg for this lamp smile.gifand the condesator does not heat up.


Roman, good evening.
Let me clarify one thing - you still need the choke for the DRL, the capacitor is part of the circuit for connecting the DRL and is placed between the lamp and the choke in the circuit, so you can not avoid + 2 kg frown.gif

Or have you tried it out and it works for you?

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05.04.2014 23:50, Hierophis

Roman, good evening.
Let me clarify one thing - you still need the throttle

No, thanks smile.gif

Of course it works, right now it's lit outside the window ) and I've always done this, my room is warm enough to warm up with a throttle ) Well, it seems simple, since the DRL can be ignited both from the active resistance and from the choke, then why can't it be from the capacitor?
You need either a choke or a capacitor, for DRL together they are useless.
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06.04.2014 3:41, PhilGri

I'll reinvent the wheel, perhaps. wink.gif
Here, the throttle has a clear advantage, namely, the throttle in a sealed case. I put it in my backpack and went (or went). On the spot, it's a small matter - connect it to the wires and the lamp and to the source.
The question arises: wouldn't an alternative circuit be less convenient and less reliable in the field, as opposed to a heavy throttle?
In addition, the DRL-125 flies no worse than the 250, at least in my experience.
And if the use of DRL in the field is unacceptable for you due to the increase in the mass of the structure, then why not use the same DRV together with the black light lamp, which has an E27 base and does not require chokes, but complements the main light source.
In the field, far from the lights, it will be good to fly on the DRV.


Thanks! I'm just going to try the DRV 250 + extra lamp.
But after all, the capacitor can also be securely mounted in a sealed case - this is not difficult. There will be a big gain in weight.
To be honest, I was disappointed with the black light lamps. It seems to me that they are very weak flying. I bought lyumki Repti Glo for a terrarium-the spectrum seems to be more attractive than promised.

06.04.2014 9:15, Pavel Morozov

With the use of black light, in my experience, female lepidoptera began to arrive more often.

But once again in the topic they wrote about the use of luminescent fabric.
I'll have to try it.
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06.04.2014 13:47, PhilGri

 
But once again in the topic they wrote about the use of luminescent fabric.
I'll have to try it.

Actually, I only used it. Luminofor.ru. So I have nothing to compare smile.gif
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06.04.2014 16:24, Kemist

Can I have a photo of what it looks like

07.04.2014 11:01, Sergey Didenko

Only those who have not had a full-fledged experience of fishing with a split lamp can compare the effectiveness of a split and non-split DRL. What 10-20 %. People don't write about what you don't know. The difference is in the order of both quantity and quality! Yes, the danger to the health of the mallet is very high and safety measures must be observed.
1-the lamp must be hung at a height of at least 3,5 -4 meters. Accordingly, there should be a second lamp on the screen itself, so you can use an energy-saving device.
2-lubricate all exposed areas of the body with a cream with protection of at least 50
% 3-glass glasses on the eyes.
4-turn off the beater once an hour for 10 minutes
And you will be happy!
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07.04.2014 13:21, PhilGri

  
1-the lamp must be hung at a height of at least 3,5 -4 meters. Accordingly, there should be a second lamp on the screen itself, so you can use an energy-saving device.
2-lubricate all exposed areas of the body with a cream with protection of at least 50
% 3-glass glasses on the eyes.
4-turn off the beater once an hour for 10 minutes
And you will be happy!


There is an opinion that thin summer clothing such as a T-shirt will not protect you from DRL. We are talking about the areas of the body that are closed by it.
That is, the split DRL is hung not in front of the screen (it is rarely possible to make a screen 3.5-4 meters high), but above it?
Is there any danger that the majority of butterflies will fly around the AWL and not land on the screen?

This post was edited by PhilGri-07.04.2014 13: 26

07.04.2014 17:45, Sergey Didenko

According to the experience of cotton clothing protects from the lamp hanging at 4 meters. What will "burn" if you do not apply cream - neck, ears, cheekbones, nose - from burns on these parts of the body helps a wide-brimmed hat. It is better to smear your hands. Points are required! Do not be afraid that they will fly at the top of the lamp - they will definitely descend on the screen.
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07.04.2014 18:07, niyaz

 
1-the lamp must be hung at a height of at least 3,5 -4 meters. Accordingly, there should be a second lamp on the screen itself, so you can use an energy-saving device.

By the way, Sergey, I spied you this design for placing a split lamp at a height of 4 meters and now I have made something similar for myself. Thanks for the tip-off.

10.04.2014 15:52, SergeyB

Hello everyone Please advise a good gasoline generator for night fishing (DRV-250) within 15 thousand rubles. Thank you in advance!

10.04.2014 16:12, AGG

Hello everyone Please advise a good gasoline generator for night fishing (DRV-250) within 15 thousand rubles. Thank you in advance!

KIPOR IG1000
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10.04.2014 17:24, PhilGri

By the way, Sergey, I spied you this design for placing a split lamp at a height of 4 meters and now I have made something similar for myself. Thanks for the tip-off.


Can I get a link?

14.04.2014 10:18, Sergey Didenko

Can I get a link?

The fact is that last year, on our way to the Southern Urals, we stopped by Niyaz's and spent one night fishing together.

14.04.2014 11:57, niyaz

The fact is that last year, on our way to the Southern Urals, we stopped by Niyaz's and spent one night fishing together.

And you in my opinion somewhere on the forum posted a photo of this design. In my opinion, in the "fishing reports" or not?

14.04.2014 12:34, niyaz

Can I get a link?

Here is a photo of the screen with the lamp pricked DRL.
user posted image
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14.04.2014 13:41, mikee

Here is a photo of the screen with a pricked DRL lamp.
user posted image


Niyaz, don't forget the brimmed hat or the peaked cap. Seryoga forgot to write about this necessary element. Namely, he saves the face from a high-hung stabbed DRL.
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