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Is Alexandor also a local, Anapinsky?
Xenia2015, not counting bees and flies, all Polistes dominula are surprisingly female. But no, a couple of Vespula germanica workers are still stuck.

Nope, there's a couple more gallicuses lit up.

Exactly? Watermelon is a very uncharacteristic place for them to feed, in our area, at least. It's strange that there aren't any males, or maybe I just didn't see them.

Exactly? Watermelon is a very uncharacteristic place for them to feed, in our area, at least. It's strange that there aren't any males, or maybe I just didn't see them.

I thought (?) that the couple had yellow spots on their mandibles. Although the resolution is small, and perhaps these are spots on the cheeks...
But the males, indeed, also did not see a single one.

Good evening. Just on the topic " -- beautiful and cool photos without opr --"
I accidentally came across this slideshow on the Internet:
https://youtu.be/kOfK8GDD6ng
True, the local musical accompaniment, probably, among the inhabitants should cause far from aesthetic pleasure, as well as not scientific interest.
I was simply fascinated by the exotic!

Thank you for the comments with definitions, ENO and AVA, although I posted the photo just as cool!
In fact, it would be better to shoot a video, a real hornet's circus. As wasps, pushing each other a little, got close to the most delicious place of watermelon, or dived headlong into the hole from the seed, leaving their wasp's ass and "feet on the threshold", etc. Flies, like poor relatives, were clearly strangers at this "holiday of life" and were afraid to climb into the middle of this yellow-striped hangouts. The bees were calm and dignified, taking their time : we can sting too, yoshiche.
In general, such a paradise for the elite of local and temporary significance. They must have been thirsty, but it wasn't raining. And on a permanent "watermelon" place, they were lured and used to fly in. Here is another photo of another day, 22.08.2008, if you are interested, - suddenly there will be wasp "guys"on them.

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And I really liked the moment: a bee grabbing a wing-a wasp: "Stop, citizen, I came first!"

This post was edited by Ksenia2015-14.01.2016 18: 28

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Not obvious. Rather, the bee sits behind the wasp's wing and peacefully licks the flesh. They are peaceful. Here polisty, it happens, drive everyone who turns up, but this is only if the food source is relatively scarce. The situation is completely different here.

I still don't see any males, but I did find P. gallicus, and P. gallicus, too, it seems. How AVA saw them in the previous picture, I can't imagine, that's what experience means. At first I see gallicuses on the pulp of fruits, although now I remember one case of finding a nest with large reserves of it, but this is an exception in our area, they usually feed only on flower nectar. For dominulas and nymphs, eating fruit is common. There was also one dominant with a deformity of the abdomen, which I observed only once on a nymph (see the photo in the topic "insect teratology"). In general, the "catch" is rich and interesting.

I just wanted someone to smile.

 
I still don't see any males, but I did find P. gallicus, and P. gallicus, too, it seems.

I guess you copied and didn't change the second name?
The post from "fun" turned out to be "for specialists".
Then I would also like to know how you can distinguish the gender of people flying without a passport and the types (at least describe them - "in the lower right corner") or use the arrows on the photo somehow.

No, I didn't copy it, but just stupidly typed the same thing twice. Instead of the second, P. gallicus should have been P. nimpha. The gender is simply different: males have one more tergite of the abdomen, and therefore one more stripe. Even male polistov strongly differ in the shape of the antennae and the "muzzle of the face", but this is sometimes problematic to notice in such a survey photo.

Arrow poke me too lazy: you need to copy it, finish it, and upload it again. Here you see in the lower left quarter of the image, where the scale is larger, three wasps ' heads touched to form something like a shamrock? Lower left - exactly dl'minula (and upper, most likely. also), the lower right one is a gallicus (it is much slimmer and has less yellow on the back). Nymphs are in the right part at the upper edge, they have the flagella of the antennae from above darker than from below, and they themselves are darker dominant, and the proportions of the body are the same. Although this is all largely a matter of guesswork, to be completely sure, you need macro photos of much better quality and from several angles, and even better (much!) - a copy. I repeat, I haven't seen any males yet, so there's no one to poke at.

This post was edited by ENO-15.01.2016 08: 04

Thank you, ENO, I understand! Yes, I also noticed the shamrock, they are great "think for three", in equal shares. Now I wish there were more males.

The properties of watermelon as a food are very cold. Maybe they want to maintain a normal body temperature in the heat in this way, and not just eat and drink?

There was also one dominant with a deformity of the abdomen, which I observed only once on a nymph (see the photo in the topic "insect teratology"). In general, the "catch" is rich and interesting.

And where is she in the photo, I wonder?
upd. I guess I also understood -in the upper-right corner, under the watermelon seed?

This post was edited by Xenia2015-15.01.2016 10: 34

[ENO, 14.01.2016 22: 33]
I still don't see any males...
But it's really strange, why aren't there any males? It's the end of August, I understand. The guys should be out by now...

There was also one dominant with a deformity of the abdomen, which I observed only once on a nymph (see the photo in the topic "insect teratology").
In some ways, it reminded me of the fan-winged Xenos parasites. It looks like something is "peeking"out from under the 2nd tergite on the left. Sorry that the permission is missing.

  
The properties of watermelon as a food are very cold. Maybe they want to maintain a normal body temperature in the heat in this way, and not just eat and drink?

This is fantastic! (c)
For these polysts, the range of "normal" body temperature is very wide. For them, the heat is when it rolls over 40 degrees. But even at this temperature, they fly and do not die.
There are simply affordable and free carbohydrates. Somewhere you had nests nearby. And not just one or two, judging by the number of working-class people.

No fantasy, given the presence of bees on the watermelon, even in conditions of a bad bribe, bees do not take watermelon juice, it needs to be either well evaporated or smoothed, so apparently the bees and wasps flew there more for water than for sweetness.

- These wasps (imagos) have a sweet tooth by definition. On a plate of water, there would be no such rush. We can say that they were simply " saturated with a solution of fructose and trace elements." Watermelon is not just water.

By the way, the same can be said about bees. I have repeatedly observed how honeybees clung to fallen and cracked pears. At the same time, there was a whole tub of water a meter away, but there were no bees there.
So, water, of course, is a necessary thing, but, in this case, it is not the main thing at all.

I saw, already in Belarus, that the flesh of a pear was eaten directly on a tree branch by wasps, not bees.
I used to see bees surrounding the sides of the pool from the fountain (water), and bees on fallen pears.
Here is the poor thing separately, maybe it will be better seen here, AVA. And there, in the Crimea, I did not see wasps ' nests.

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It seems to me, AVA, that not only the color scheme suffered, but also somehow the internal organs were affected by the change, which is why the poor thing.

Fan-winged males, probably, in the real world did not see.

Yes, there are no fan-wings (or rather, if they are, it is not visible). Just the third tergite on one side for some reason began to form according to the type of the second. Compare my photo of a nymph with a similar anomaly, but on the fourth tergite:



But this is what the polist with fan wings looks like, no anomalies (except, in fact, the" assholes " of fan wings):



I also looked at many other photos of wasps affected by fan wings - there are no similar anomalies in the structure and color of tergites anywhere. So IMHO this is not it.

"And here is what the polist with fan wings looks like, no anomalies (except, in fact, the "assholes" of fan wings):"
- I do not hesitate to thank you for the information that prompted me to make a personal discovery for myself. - To be honest, I was very surprised that Fan-wings (Alucitidae, or Orneodidae) are capable of this... - but it turned out that this is a pun that led me (only when I typed "Parasitic fan-wings") to a completely different group - (Strepsiptera)-that is, to the squad!
By the way, earlier - I remembered - they were classified as beetles. And they were also mentioned in one scandalous book about anti-gravity... (here the topic was still terribly flood)

And them, too? Grebennikov, like, about heavy, though secret, Zhukov wrote, most modern designers gravitsap believes that this is some kind of zlatki.

Here, I read more about this xenos, a very interesting creature, it turns out: "makes" working polistov "think" that they are queens, and spend the winter instead of quietly dying. But this is very unlikely for us - the uterus with their hefty fat body and then not all hold out until spring, and here is some kind of" hollow " working, and even stuffed with parasites. Probably, this is still the fate of those regions of Europe where the winter is shorter and warmer. I can't believe that a worker wasp, no matter how miraculous a parasite it is infected with, will be able to survive our real winter. There is no way to check how they winter in our latitudes - I have never met them, so most likely they do not overwinter in any way. Although here, in Poland, where, in theory, also far from the Canaries, somehow survive: http://www.mzm.cz/fileadmin/user_upload/pu...7_2_2012/02.pdf.

This is probably the most schizophrenic version I've ever heard. In addition, as far as I know, in barbels, and even more so in their integuments, these parasites are not found.

Ezox here acted as a typical Internet expert, did not keep bees and did not work in the apiary, and according to him, he did not even read literature about bees, but he claims )) And I kept bees for three years, and I worked in the apiary, and I know that they still don't eat watermelons, and for some reason they write in smart books that they need to be ironed out, otherwise nothing good will come from feeding watermelons. Bees take nectar at a concentration of 30% sugar, and then not willingly, otherwise more energy will have to be spent to evaporate excess water from it in the hive. So the bees on rabuz is clearly something wrong, toli drought, toli bjol wrong ))

But the fact that poooolits sit on watermelons all the time is a fact, well, they are polists, what to take from them, Germanics over there, disdain watermelons. Pears are another matter, the sugar content of pears, and the nutritional value is clearly higher. Watermelon is 90% water ))

I keep bees-12 hives. They stand in my garden - 46 apple trees and 3 pears. So, bees NEVER settle on apples and pears, even when they are fully ripe and cracked, even when they are dripping with juice. Wasps-yes, even gnaw out the flesh, especially from pears and sweet apples. Bees don't land on watermelon either, even if you cut it up and put it near the hive, the wasps will immediately swoop down, but the bees won't. I checked it myself after" authoritative " publications on the Internet by theoretical beekeepers.

This is probably the most schizophrenic version I've ever heard. In addition, as far as I know, in barbels, and even more so in their integuments, these parasites are not found.

- Dear FOREIGN citizen, - I could hardly finish my birthday, remembering the text of a science fiction book that I read 25 years ago...
- THANK YOU, CAP!

Bees don't land on watermelon either, even if you cut it up and put it near the hive, the wasps will immediately swoop down, but the bees won't. I checked it myself after" authoritative " publications on the Internet by theoretical beekeepers.

Please see the previous page. Do you see in the message URL #246 bees in the photo with watermelons or not?

This post was edited by Xenia2015-16.01.2016 14: 19

- By the way, - bees still annoy sellers of flavored tea in bags and sellers of spices in containers... So they only fly at the smell? In the case of watermelon, this is unlikely.
- Unfortunately, I didn't even finish my studies as a beekeeper (I dropped out of school because of Wahhabism), but I was very interested in the remark concerning these very limits-"30%... - that is, the bee collects both water and juice and nectar in the same goiter, but if the fructose in the solution is not enough to recoup the energy costs of "fructose evaporation", the enzymes do not start to be released?

Please see the previous page. Do you see in the message URL #246 bees in the photo with watermelons or not?

Indeed, I see bees there. Maybe it depends on the breed? I have"Karpatskaya". It's a pity that it's not summer, otherwise I would have posted a photo. Or maybe we treat watermelons with something from pests and bees can't stand it?

This post was edited by Emus-16.01.2016 14: 57

I do not know what kind of bees there are, Emus. But I talked to the watermelon seller: these watermelons are from their own melons. Probably, there are no or less chemical fertilizers and the "flying guard" catches it-both bees and wasps. I also liked watermelons (the wasps didn't lie), although I prefer melons.

In August 2008, the Crimea was also hot. The radio reported that the daytime temperature was 38 degrees in the shade.

And what conclusion can be drawn? Nikolaev and Borisoglebsky watermelons are worse than Donetsk and Crimean, or Donetsk and Crimean bees are less picky? I leave the choice up to you. Pan Stepovoi, is it necessary to maintain an apiary for three years to notice the mass visit of bees to cut watermelons? Pan completely lost the ability to think logically. And why should I trust the words of a book more than my own eyes? Regarding germanics, according to my observation, they visit watermelons much more often than polistov:



By the way, Pan already had the opportunity to see this photo, but it seems that chronic amnesia lets you know. I can only sympathize with the quality of Nikolaevsky (not to be confused with Nikolaevsky!) watermelons that even vespulas don't eat.

This post was edited INO-16.01.2016 21: 24

Ezox, no, are you okay? )) In one thing you are right, that a person who understands the essence of the phenomenon does not need to keep an apiary in order to understand that bees, if they "visit" watermelons, then this happens as a last resort, well, bees are not interested in watermelons if there are norms in nature. the amount of nectar and drought is not present.

And your photo from the trash can with barely 2 dozen oss, and even with half of the vulgaris that should demonstrate? Where in it are hidden your observations that Germanics visit watermelons more often than polists? )))) What does it show
at all Is what you do at symposia like that?

If the pan takes the trouble to count the number of germanics on the above (with the difference between small workers and vulgaris, it's not so simple, but let him count only obvious classic germanics, they are there) and polists (1 piece), then he can make sure that the frequency of visits to this watermelon peel by the latter is an order of magnitude lower.

Not well it's just some .. shame on you! Ezox, this is your conclusion - it's ALL in it ))) It's about the same as with the disappearance of swallowtails, only 100 times tougher

- The main thing is that the photos are " Cool and beautiful without opr."
- By the way," in nature " (the birthplace of the honey bee is India, and watermelons - the Kalahari and Nabib deserts in the south, and the deserts of Sudan in the center of Africa), Ápis mellifera and Citrullus lanatus were not found.

Ezox - Anti-ulcer agent-proton pump inhibitor, right-handed isomer of omeprazole.

And now-from the crowd of them, in the very middle-a funnel, rises and "[I]Stepovoi": a tall old man with a long dusty beard and a shock of hair that flutters in all directions, grey as a whirlwind. He will show himself, shake his old bony hand, and disappear.
Kommersant

This post was edited by Andreas - 16.01.2016 23: 39

Yes, it is quite a strict conclusion, you just need to clearly understand the area to which it applies, namely, this particular watermelon peel. To extend it to the entire general population of watermelons, it is necessary, of course, to do a sample study. But since the frequency of settlement of one randomly taken watermelon peel by vespulas is significantly higher than the frequency of its visit by polistas, it is more likely that the picture on other watermelons will be similar, and not the opposite, as pan connoisseur of shame claims. Logical? If not, all the more unfortunate for Pan.

Yes, it is quite a strict conclusion, you just need to clearly understand the area to which it applies - namely, this particular watermelon peel. To extend it to the entire general population of watermelons, it is necessary, of course, to do a sample study. But the frequency of settlement of one randomly taken watermelon peel by vespulas is significantly higher than the frequency of its visit by polistas, so it is more likely that the picture will be similar on other watermelons, and not the opposite, as pan znotok disgrace claims. Logical? If not, all the more unfortunate for Pan.

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Ezox, you still need some air