Сuckoo waspы

Hello everyone This year, I purposefully started collecting glitter wasps, because this season in the central part of Kazakhstan actually started in June.
Collections are made for colored cups and mowing, mostly in the first way, because there is no free time. The results are encouraging, in my opinion I caught a dozen new species for myself, perhaps some have not yet been described.
Here is a review of the photo fees, ahead of the whole summer I think it will surprise more than once.

That's what I understand - cool And can I please see photos of biotopes and photos of the cups themselves?!Where to buy cups?
If you don't have any photos, you'll do it, all right...

This post was edited by Liparus - 22.06.2015 19: 18

That's what I understand - cool And can I please see photos of biotopes and photos of the cups themselves?!Where to buy cups?

I assume that we are referring to the so-called "yellow plates"

Yellow plates ("cups") can be bought in some large supermarket in the department of disposable tableware. And it should be plates, not disposable cups! Pour water and drop a drop of dishwashing liquid into each plate, otherwise the insects will not sink and just fly away. It makes sense to put at least 10 pieces, otherwise this method will not give a decent catch.

In my experience, spangles in yellow plates are caught poorly, because they drown reluctantly,and in suitable biotopes, at least sometimes it is very windy, and the plates are filled with sand and debris, water quickly evaporates or spills out, even if you fix the plate. More gets into the anthophil cups, but I haven't noticed that this depends on the color of the cups or the composition of the liquid. Rather, they get there by accident. Therefore, it is very interesting how the dear OEV.

In my experience, spangles in yellow plates are caught poorly, because they drown reluctantly,and in suitable biotopes, at least sometimes it is very windy, and the plates are filled with sand and debris, water quickly evaporates or spills out, even if you fix the plate. More gets into the anthophil cups, but I haven't noticed that this depends on the color of the cups or the composition of the liquid. Rather, they get there by accident. Therefore, it is very interesting how the respected OEV collected such smart fees.

Dear Barnaba, so you didn't have much experience. If this type of trap did not work, it would not be used and described in various scientific literature-this is one time. Secondly, you have no idea how many factors you need to take into account in order to get a result. After all, my fees are not for one day, but for half a month, there are 20 traps. Every day, collecting materials, cleaning out garbage and other insects, adding fresh water and so on. Every time you have to drag five liters of water. If this is not done every day, the water will evaporate or fade. It happens that many plates do not give a result, and others catch 10 glitters at a time. I'm at a loss for words here... Very often birds, especially the hated crows, turn over, leak or even drag away the plates, which is very annoying
So I am surprised at people who put hundreds of glasses or other traps, spending a lot of time, effort and energy, but the result is there

I also forgot to mention the direct relationship between the air temperature and the activity of wasps-glitter. Peak activity during the hottest hours, respectively.

This post was edited by OEV - 24.06.2015 10: 24

That's what I understand - cool And can I please see photos of biotopes and photos of the cups themselves?!Where to buy cups?
If you don't have any photos, you'll do it, all right...

Arthur hi! Cups are also plates, you can buy disposable plastic ones. I use pallets for food products that are left over. The shape of the container on the catchability as I understand it does not affect. But the color is very even, mostly yellow, white, sometimes blue. Tried orange full zero! I'll take a photo of the biotope later.

This post was edited by OEV - 24.06.2015 10: 37

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Dear Barnaba, so you didn't have much experience. If this type of trap did not work, it would not be used and described in various scientific literature-this is one time. Secondly, you have no idea how many factors you need to take into account in order to get a result. After all, my fees are not for one day, but for half a month, there are 20 traps. Every day, collecting materials, cleaning out garbage and other insects, adding fresh water and so on. Every time you have to drag five liters of water. If this is not done every day, the water will evaporate or fade. It happens that many plates do not give a result, and others catch 10 glitters at a time. I'm at a loss for words here... Very often birds, especially the hated crows, turn over, leak or even drag away the plates, which is very annoying
So I am surprised at people who put hundreds of glasses or other traps, spending a lot of time, effort and energy, but the result is there
I also forgot to mention the direct relationship between the air temperature and the activity of wasps-glitter. Peak activity during the hottest hours, respectively.

Thanks for the reply. I really don't have much experience with glitters, because I don't catch them, I have other interests, but I use Meneke traps regularly. Apparently, if you put them on glitter, in the hospital, for a long time, and walk a LOT, the result will be better. I just thought there was some know-how. Of course, Kazakhstan in this sense is not Russia, according to the impressions of glitter girls there are many times more.
When I last fished specifically for chrysidids, in the foothills of the Tien Shan about 25 years ago, a good result was given by meter-long windows near scraps with burrows of single wasps, more than 500 exes were packed in a week. Since then, I caught them in traps only along the way, and sometimes I remove them from flowers to distribute to friends and acquaintances. In yellow cups for anthophils (pictured), spangles, when generally observed on the ground, came across approximately 0.1-0.2 copies/catch*day (1-2 for 20 glasses per day), sometimes more often. A few years ago, I switched to non-spillable paints for drawing, they turned out to be better and more convenient for my purposes (as in the photo below, only with yellow, blue and pink lids), they catch twice as much glitter in them. I suspect that if you make them special, with a small hole on top and M. B. upper side with tubes, spangles and other small membranes will get more, and the rest is less. Unfortunately, they are almost unusable on the ground, clogged by ants or plundered by vertebrates.
I also saw in the States various cunning traps specifically for chrysidids (and their owners), of various types. One is a plastic opaque flat artificial nest, the side cover is removable, there are some cells inside, how it works is not clear, I did not delve into it for lack of time. Others - bundles of reeds and some other tubular stems, drilled along the length, this is a well-known standard option, but it is designed for the withdrawal of adults, to identify and evaluate parasite-host relationships. The song is long, and as I was told, often does not give the desired result, because blestyanki strive to infect ALL the cells of the tube and the host cannot be reliably determined, no one is displayed, only blestyanki. But they are hung out in thousands, preferably on dry trunks or wooden buildings, and do not require supervision. Finally, I also saw traps like the standard ones on the os, but with short plastic tubes of different diameters sticking out in different directions. They can be hung or partially buried in the ground (i.e. they are also suitable for geophiles). Inside there is a separator grid and liquid. As I understand it, the principle is that wasps, including the hosts of spangles, visit traps and come out again, and spangles visit them after and partially fall into the liquid.

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neprolyvayki always have in Auchan, sometimes double.

Pentachrysis sp. "23.05.2014 SE Kazakhstan. Almaty area, 10 km NE Birlik. Sands. Kolov leg."

Sergey cool spangled female Pentachrysis amoena (Eversmann, 1857)

Stibium sp. "2.07.2002 Kazakhstan, Akmola area, Stepnyak env. Childebaev leg."

Most likely Stilbum cf. cyanurum (Forster, 1771)

Hello everyone I want to share my joy about the capture of spangles Euchroeus purpuratus (Fabricius, 1787) For the first time caught them on hunting plates, previously this species was collected singly and only by mowing.

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I have only one Trichrysis cyanea (Linnaeus, 1758)

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Catching glasses or plates are certainly an interesting thing and SOMETIMES bring results! BUT, looking at how many completely UNNECESSARY OR SUPERFLUOUS SPECIMENS for the insect collector are USELESSLY DYING in them-by God, my heart bleeds!!!
A kind of lazy way of "research" and clearly foreign - where only to grab and after me at least the grass does not grow... I mostly use small soap dishes, filling them with soapy water, and only when traveling for a few days... I put it not far from the camp or along the route that I often go, and in PLACES where there seems to be an interesting biotope, BUT there are few forage plants and catching something will be very time-consuming and effort-consuming. The result is SOMETIMES pleasing - but I like to catch everything myself and the main thing is to observe in nature how and what happens to the objects of interest to me in dynamics, so to speak... Again, these traps work in an open area, but let's say in such an oak grove, even at the edge, they are practically useless because they are invisible and highly competitive with flowering plants.

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Catching glasses or plates are certainly an interesting thing and SOMETIMES bring results! BUT, looking at how many completely UNNECESSARY OR SUPERFLUOUS SPECIMENS for the insect collector are USELESSLY DYING in them-by God, my heart bleeds!!!

The result is SOMETIMES pleasing - but I like to catch everything myself and the main thing is to observe in nature how and what happens to the objects of interest to me in dynamics, so to speak...

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Catching glasses or plates are certainly an interesting thing and SOMETIMES bring results! BUT, looking at how many completely UNNECESSARY OR SUPERFLUOUS SPECIMENS for the insect collector are USELESSLY DYING in them-by God, my heart bleeds!!!
A kind of lazy way of "research" and clearly foreign - where only to grab and after me at least the grass does not grow... I mostly use small soap dishes, filling them with soapy water, and only when traveling for a few days... I put it not far from the camp or along the route that I often go, and in PLACES where there seems to be an interesting biotope, BUT there are few forage plants and catching something will be very time-consuming and effort-consuming. The result is SOMETIMES pleasing - but I like to catch everything myself and the main thing is to observe in nature how and what happens to the objects of interest to me in dynamics, so to speak... Again, these traps work in an open area, but let's say in such an oak grove, even at the edge, they are practically useless because they are invisible and highly competitive with flowering plants.

Oleg I want to object to your words
Sometimes it brings interesting results that other methods can't achieve. This past year I was personally convinced that I have been mowing my area for about 10 years!
About the uselessness of the death of a lot of other insects, according to my observations, most of them are flies, riders, etc. eardrums. Everything that is thrown on the ground is instantly picked up by ants - these are personal observations Some insects come to their senses after a couple of minutes if they have been in the water for a short time.
Yes, I agree with the passivity of this collection method. But if you're at work from morning to night?
And after a 12-hour shift, you come home, and despite your fatigue, you take bottles of water and go ahead to avoid all the traps. It takes up to an hour.
And walking in 40-degree heat is also not pleasant. Who went there knows.
I fully agree with the choice of open biotopes for using this method, since it is based on visual attraction of insects. In general, everything should be done wisely and for certain purposes.

  
About the uselessness of the death of a lot of other insects, according to my observations, most of them are flies, riders, etc. eardrums. Everything that is thrown on the ground is instantly picked up by ants - these are personal observations Some insects come to their senses after a couple of minutes if they have been in the water for a short time.

I agree)

Of course, if there are flowers and everything is teeming on them-beauty and good luck will be there until they wither.And in open places and for example in the bush, only plates.Put them in groups and focus on the species composition.In the forest, if there are no flowers and it is dry, it can not be caught well-they eat padevo in the crowns, not everyone flies below and not always..the biggest losses go to the flies-but everything is recoverable there-they are not afraid of perevylov locally...I tried-yellow pieces of paper soaked in mash-and the control is in place-it doesn't work,it takes a lot of time.Catching plates!!!

I have a question: - Are the plates yellow or white? Put white, the result is not very good, they say you need to put yellow...

If you believe Pedivikii, then you can still green. Although I somehow doubt if the green on the green will get lost. Traditionally, all yuzayut yellow, about white here for the first time read. In general, bright yellow is the most favorite color for wasps, I've noticed it many times (though not on spangles).

And here is my favorite old stone and clay barn in d. Novaya Yesineevka (Kamenskiy district, Penza region) attracts many interesting hymns and diptera during the field season. I specially did an experiment (several times in different months), mowed down the grass on the south side of the barn (the owners of the barn mowed down the grass to the west of the door) and put my yellow plastic soap dishes (5-10 pieces) along the wall. The meaning of the experiment - I caught all insects in a row with a net for 2-3 hours (at different times for 30 minutes) a day, and the "catchers of soap dishes" all the rest of the time... How is it not strange almost always (even in the hottest weather!?) the result was in my favor both quantitatively and qualitatively!!?
But what is interesting is that in recent years, in July, in the hottest 1-2-3 times (per season), I see a "very large" dark bluish elongated wasp, which I observe in the region only here in the village (!??). No matter how I tried to catch it, I always failed-I see it crawling along fences and walls (always accidentally for some reason-I didn't come across it on purpose (??), well, while I'm running for a net, this and that... it's flying away, but it's managed to do it several times... but here is the same bad luck - it somehow avoids the net, curls up and falls or something or very quickly crawls ... in the" glasses " does not come across... even window traps were placed along the walls and fences! Mysticism.

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But what is interesting is that in recent years, in July, in the hottest 1-2-3 times (per season), I see a "very large" dark bluish elongated wasp, which I observe in the region only here in the village (!??). No matter how I tried to catch it, I always failed-I see it crawling along fences and walls (always accidentally for some reason-I didn't come across it on purpose (??), well, while I'm running for a net, this and that... it's flying away, but it's managed to do it several times... but here is the same bad luck - it somehow avoids the net, curls up and falls or something or very quickly crawls ... in the" glasses " does not come across... even window traps were placed along the walls and fences! Mysticism.

When I think of the Chrysis iris Christ, 1791, it fits your description.

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And here is my favorite old stone and clay barn in d. Novaya Yesineevka (Kamenskiy district, Penza region) attracts many interesting hymns and diptera during the field season. I specially did an experiment (several times in different months), mowed down the grass on the south side of the barn (the owners of the barn mowed down the grass to the west of the door) and put my yellow plastic soap dishes (5-10 pieces) along the wall. The meaning of the experiment - I caught all insects in a row with a net for 2-3 hours (at different times for 30 minutes) a day, and the "catchers of soap dishes" all the rest of the time... How is it not strange almost always (even in the hottest weather!?) the result was in my favor both quantitatively and qualitatively!!?

Dear Oleg saraychik cool That's just not understood the meaning of your experiment to catch all the insects in a row and compare it with the catch of colored cups. We are talking about catching specifically wasps-glitters. I don't mind catching insects by mowing at all, this is also my main method of collecting insects.
Here in the network I came across an interesting book by the author Shlyakhtenok A. S. "Annotated gurney of the OS of Belarus". So for the collection of wasps, the author used individual collection + mowing and traps of Malez, Merike. The author writes that the main part of the material was obtained with the help of Malez traps and additionally Merike traps. Further, for each of the species of spangles, the total number of captured specimens of males and females, separately in different ways, and other information is given. And like it or not for most types of traps privoskhodayut others. fishing methods.
I noticed from my own experience that setting traps in the best place in my forecasts for catching blestyanki gave zero result. So we can assume that the most effective method of trapping in the vicinity of such a building as in the photo was precisely mowing or individual trapping.

This post was edited by OEV - 11.01.2016 19: 12

I wonder if there are any traps for spangles using parts of the nests of wasps or host bees?

I wonder if there are any traps for spangles using parts of the nests of wasps or host bees?

They exist...Parts (trunks) from "reeds" collected in bundles and wrapped with a rope, up to 100 pieces (in a bundle). there, in theory, some bees settle there, in my opinion from the genus Osmia (?), there should also be sparkles...However, this method is bad...Spangles are very little displayed...

I want to check it out-drill holes in dry tree trunks with a drill the other day...

When I think of the Chrysis iris Christ, 1791, it fits your description.

Maybe Chrysis indigotea? it is slightly smaller than iris

Not only osmia, there are many people who can settle there, the" Fabre hive " is called. But this is a nest site, not a trap. What I meant was traps, where a glistenworm or some other parasitic creature flies in, attracted by the smell of its host's nest, but can't get out. It seems that this has not yet been invented, but it should be.

Dear Evgeny, at this shed I mow the grass with a scythe-and I catch the net, let's say, selectively or everything in a row, since often small types of wasps can be simply "overlooked", as in other things and many other equally interesting insects... another thing is that I release unnecessary insects from the net - and only throw them out of the trap...
Chrysis iris Christ, 1791 we have long known and remember so points 5 on the steppes of the south-east... And the glitter I'm looking for is more dark blue, quite large, some elongated and characteristic feature sits down for example on a fence and starts moving quite quickly along it - I would say some kind of squat-sneaky...
The Malez trap would be interesting to me on the edge of the forest and overgrown high-grass meadows - something that we have found few species of kleptus feeding on sawfly larvae...
With regard to this topic-according to the experience of the wasp-spangles often react much worse to catching "glasses" than other membranes.

When catching, for example, wasps, it is inconvenient to use a net on trunks-walls-fences-they run out and fly away, I use a device-a transparent PTFE bottle, 1.5 liters of water, you cut off the throat, you get a cylinder, you cut the edges like chamomile-so that the bumps do not interfere-like you catch with a glass, you take out the caught ones with your hand, catching sedentary wasps, etc. is very productive.They can't see the cylinder,not even the ktyri...There are almost no mistakes.

Of course, there is a separate conversation about biters,but when it is already caught, you can adapt-for example, squeeze the exit in the cylinder and release the net already in the motne-then everything is known.In 2015,I was bitten by kr.pompilid-in the finger, very similar to an electric shock, then the finger swelled up and everything went away within some hours.But if a person is allergic,or something like that,wasp bites can be life-threatening, imho....

And how to understand a priori who is biting and who is not? How can you tell if you are allergic to the poison of the particular type of wasp that will once again fly to the fence? The composition of the poison can vary greatly even within the same genus. In general, I am for safe sex collection, which in my understanding does not imply touching unfamiliar stingy hymenoptera with your hands. But everyone has their own opinion on this matter.