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americanecz, 22.06.2006 22:20

People!!!
For me, it's still a mystery, how do collections get,
well, for example, barbels?
Are these random finds? or are there any methods, traps, tricks, etc.???

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22.06.2006 22:50, RippeR

when and how.. If you know where and on what the beetle lives, then the campaign is purposeful. Most often, I get this: I know approximately where this or that species lives, so when I come to a place, I examine the places where various interesting things should live, as well as those places where I think you can find something.
Traps for barbels do not exist, but they can be found on logs, tree trunks that have fallen to the ground, freshly cut, on flowers (mostly white and yellow, umbrella or even on ordinary daisies), sometimes on the trunks of dry trees, sometimes on the trunks, branches and vines of live ones. They also like to eat juice oozing from trees, although I don't know which ones, but I myself caught Plagionotus detruses on an oozing pyramidal poplar (although I don't remember exactly, maybe not on a pyramidal one, but maybe on an oak smile.gif) Some barbels, such as Morimus, like to sit on tree stumps. In general, with barbels, the case is complicated, they are not always easy to find, it's not that I came to a suitable place and picked up a bag, more often just the opposite.
Here for predators, cadaverous eaters, shit-eaters and others who flock to something osboe, you can create a trap. For example, ground beetles often set a trap from a cup with bait in the form of meat or some kind of solution, which can attract most of the species found in this area. You can collect ground beetles and raking the forest floor with a small (children's toy) rake, you can rake mud or litter along the banks of rivers and lakes, there are also a lot of ground beetles running around. Such species as carabus variolosus (I can be wrong about the species) are more often found at the bottom of the reservoir where they hunt (meaning a shallow reservoir, of course they are not floaters), the action is interesting, especially for carabus, I myself found 2 pieces in the Carpathians in this way, but I think such types of bait can also be caught.
In general, you should inspect everything, because you never know where you will find what, and sometimes you just don't see what is sitting there, so it is better to carefully inspect some special places on the example of fallen trunks and dry trees.

23.06.2006 8:12, Dmitry Vlasov

RippeR is right, many beetles (especially barbels) have to be collected, searching in their habitats.
Which group of beetles is more interesting?

23.06.2006 9:26, Bad Den

Barbels still sometimes fly to the light.

23.06.2006 10:01, soloelena

In summer, they are practically everywhere.
In practice, you can always see so many barbels, it's a pity that the variety is not so great.

23.06.2006 12:13, RippeR

Elizar:
A question for me or an American?

Bad Dan:
They don't fly very much, and there's never a guarantee that those barbels will come. It is interesting to attract barbels to the light, but mostly Trichoferuses fly, we have campestris, in the Crimea it is mostly griseus, and in places where some flying species is massive, sometimes it arrives. So I want to attract Prinobius to the Crimea this year, I'm already drooling. They flow so fast that Noah won't have time to finish building his ark smile.gif

Solo:
You can see barbels anywhere, and good ones are rare. Usually it is difficult to find a good view where they live, but it can easily ACCIDENTALLY get caught in a net, sit on your leg, lie dead in the back seat of a car, sit on the window of a bus, on a blanket in a house in the village, lie on the road, and also meet a friend who caught

23.06.2006 12:52, Dmitry Vlasov

Question to the American.
2RippeR
Really rare barbels (in your terminology "good") they come across more often by accident, although knowledge of biology helps somewhat... I've been collecting honeysuckle twig-eaters for the last few days during my lunch break... In the city, in the plantings of Tatar honeysuckle, I have already collected a series, and in the forests the view is extremely local. True, I found it in the city only this year, although I "wooled" these plantings for several years. And Obrium cantharinum flies in the night and, such an infection, does not fly into the light. I caught them by "mowing" in the crowns of trees.

23.06.2006 13:34, Bad Den


Bad Dan:
They don't fly very much, and there's never a guarantee that those barbels will come.

More or less regularly, Prionus coriarius is born.
Although, I get the impression (due to the fact that 1-2 come to light in a month) that they just fly past and, without having time to turn aside, crash into the vicinity of the lamp.

23.06.2006 22:02, RippeR

Elizar:
who is a honeysuckle twig eater? It's better to use the Latin alphabet, I don't understand these Russian names.
Of course, if you search for a long time, with good knowledge of the case, according to all descriptions, you can find some kind, but there are often bummers.. If it was all that simple, I would not only collect all our barbels, but even more.
Cantharinum flies to the light, but waiting for a particular species to arrive is useless. Cantharinum my friend on luminescent uv attracted once, and I caught on flowers (the truth is brunneum was, but it's okay)

24.06.2006 0:41, americanecz

Barbels just interest me!!!
But mostly from an aesthetic point of view...
I don't have many of them... Very little!
the only thing that came to light was a tanner (2 males in three years)...
I stupidly catch them with a net with a 3-meter handle, at nine o'clock in the evening on the edge of the forest...
there are a couple of musk, spruce...
a gift from the Crimea-oak!
a pair of indeterminate toddlers with a very very long mustache!
well, that's all, perhaps!
I've heard that fresh wood is left on the edge of the forest...
And then they prowl around...
What do you think about this?

24.06.2006 1:01, RippeR

On fresh firewood, felled trunks, as already mentioned, you can find different types! Only patience will be needed to wait for these scoundrels smile.gif

24.06.2006 11:00, Dmitry Vlasov

2RippeR
Honeysuckle rod-eater-Oberea pupillata. Essno, there are bummers with collections of barbels, but you should not sit and wait for some unique one to sit on you. It is not for nothing that they say " without difficulty ....". And the element of chance and luck in fishing is present, this is why collecting insects is interesting.
2Amerikanecz
Some barbels, they are also called flower, somewhere in a week the mass will be on different umbrella plants-angelica, snyti, etc. It is necessary to stupidly walk in the sunny hot time and inspect the inflorescences. if there are clearings in the forest (but not many years ago), you should walk along logs or felling remnants and look at them, barbels hide very well or mimic.

24.06.2006 13:58, Bad Den

By the way!
If there are sawmills and other wood processing enterprises in the vicinity, pay attention to them, for example, there may be barbels of the river Monochamus (on conifers) and many others.

24.06.2006 21:51, RippeR

Elizar:
Yes, amulets are cool! Now, of smile.gifcourse, no one is going to wait for the case, in any case, you need to go and look for someone where it is necessary, and accidents are just pleasant neazhidannosti. Especially nice when you go gloomy, nothing worthwhile was not found or the weather is ***movy and, suddenly, the eye falls on a leaf with a mustache, the mustache falls and the eye can not find lol.gif
It's a pity we don't have any clearings.. more precisely, they are there, but they are well hidden - you can't find them (and you can't call them felling) Thus, many good barbels are not accidentally found.

26.06.2006 13:31, Nilson

Yes, go and search...
I arrived from Montenegro the day before yesterday. I'll tell you-a fairy tale. Barbels on every flower, on every woodpile, not to mention the clearings. All collection methods work perfectly-under the bark, in the evening, on bushes. Oh, I'll post pictures later.

26.06.2006 15:40, RippeR

ahh!!! I want it too!!! eek.gif wall.gif

22.08.2006 23:03, Necrocephalus

Tell me, is it possible to catch at least some goldfish on conifers now, or is it not the season for all of them? Maybe there are some August views? I'm just wondering if I might have a chance to find the coveted smile.gifgold in a pine clearing... and whether it's worth going there at all.

23.08.2006 8:13, Bad Den

2 Necrocephalus
is definitely worth going - you will not catch Ch. mariana, so something else may come across smile.gif

By the way, about "find by chance".
About 10 years ago in the Vladimir region caught Leptura thoracica. In the morning, at the edge of a mixed forest, I mowed on the grass (moreover, I went to this edge regularly for a long time), after a few strokes I look into the net - " mather darling!" "there's a red-and-black monster crawling up the bag!"
I only came across this species once, and then, apparently, by accident.

This post was edited by Bad Den - 08/23/2006 09: 16

23.08.2006 11:41, Necrocephalus

2 Necrocephalus
is definitely worth going - you will not catch Ch. mariana, so something else may come across smile.gif

By the way, about "find by chance".
About 10 years ago in the Vladimir region caught Leptura thoracica. In the morning, at the edge of a mixed forest, I mowed on the grass (moreover, I went to this edge regularly for a long time), after a few strokes I look into the net - " mather darling!" "there's a red-and-black monster crawling up the bag!"
I only came across this species once, and then, apparently, by accident.

Well, I'm not counting on Ch. mariana... Looking through the determinant, I saw that a large number of different goldfinches live on conifers - well, for example, Chrysobothris chrysostigma, Melanophila acuminata, Ancylochira rustica... At the same time, none of the determinants indicate exactly in which month these goldfish can be caught as imagos. So I think that maybe they, like the barbel, have some typical autumn species?
And your beautiful barbel smile.gifI also accidentally caught one rather interesting barbel: in October, we went with our family for mushrooms, picked up honey agarics... On the way back home, I found that a beautiful beetle was sitting in the bucket - it turned out to be Mesosa curculionoides smile.gif

23.08.2006 11:43, Necrocephalus

But I don't think I'll be able to go into the woods today... The weather turned bad overnight, it's cold and raining outside frown.gif

23.08.2006 12:41, guest: Andron

In August, there are still zlatki, but somewhere in the forest near Kursk they will definitely be. For collecting many species, the time of day can still be very important - this year I collected 5 Xylotrechus capricornis in 2 days - on a sawn birch, but although I approached this birch several times a day, 3 beetles were caught at once and another time-2.
On barbel trees, beetles are more common in the afternoon or late afternoon, hours after 5-6. Although of course it all depends on the weather - on non-hot days, many species are more often found in the warmest hours.
Usually, some species is first encountered by chance, but often this is a consequence of a pattern - it means that it is there, and you can "feel" it - where it occurs and when. I also caught the first Macroleptura thoracica by accident, and then I walked for a week in that forest, looked, and one day I came to a birch forest with 2-3 dozen rotten birches standing not far from each other. I went between them, and scored more than a dozen. In another birch forest, I collected dozens of Necydalis major, which were sitting on the dry roadsides of live birches, although we had been standing there for several days and had not seen any beetles before.
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23.08.2006 12:57, Necrocephalus

01.09.2006 13:58, Букашечник

Barbels, in other things, like goldsmiths, can be found quite a lot on Gary. True, here you need to know when the forest was burning because autumn burns will usually be settled next year, but early spring ones are settled mainly in early to mid-summer. Just now, on such a hot spot, I managed to collect about a dozen species of barbels in just a couple of trips.
Zlatkami is more difficult, they are very fast, but with the skill and the presence of a net, they will not leave.

01.09.2006 17:23, RippeR

I will once again reveal my observation about goldsmiths - these scoundrels, although they are fast, do not see the net of the net at all, so you can easily cover them with it, and then cover them with your hand and pull them out from under the net. Thus, I calmly removed the dicerc in this goju, and I also did this to many others.. So now the main problem for me is to find the goldsmiths themselves, not to catch them.. Harei we do not have at all, since we have nothing to burn, so the last varint disappears, I will look for it on my own smile.gif
By the way, for more information: dicercu (like aenea or something else, they all seem to be similar) was sitting on a mottled dry hornbeam, located at the beginning of the forest, in a still spacious place, where the nearest tree was 10-20 meters away. She sat at my level, easily covered her, although very carefully, because I was afraid of losing such a miracle, then with my other hand I pressed her to the bark so that she wouldn't run (and she, a fool, didn't even notice that I covered her, only woke up when I already pressed her), and then with the first hand I pulled her out from under the net.. such a beautiful story smile.gif
Some goldfish caught, in the same way, on acacia logs, on a half-dead poplar tree with a small leak (the leak itself was in a slightly different place than the running goldfish), on tree leaves, on oak firewood, and so on.

01.09.2006 22:47, Bad Den

By the way, some goldenrod species from the Antaxia river are found on yellow flowers (buttercups, mostly).

02.09.2006 7:57, Dmitry Vlasov

2RippeR
Dicerks are probably one of the slowest goldsmiths around. I regularly caught them calmly with my hands, but Chrysobothris and Phaenops - you can't cover them with your hand so easily, although with a certain skill and training, there are good luck...

03.09.2006 19:43, RippeR

nothing like that, just 3 chrysobotris this year and how many others in the past I calmly covered with a net, I say, it's not a matter of slowness - they just don't notice the nets (or rather their nets)
Poecilonota rutilans, Ptosima flavoguttata, Anthaxia hungarica also did not notice anything.
For the first time I noticed it at poetsilonot, when I first saw them - at first I couldn't catch them, they noticed me at a distance, but then I tried to quietly cover them with a net - one, another, then I bring the net to one, push it with the edge of the net, nothing - I just went nuts! Since then, I've been quietly covering them and pulling them out.
fanops cyanea bred at home, in nature I did not see, so I did not catch, and I caught guttulata when I did not know this technique yet. Sat on the trunk of a tree, I brought the net, and then abruptly wanted to remove the net, but when held, to my surprise, it remained in place-on the bark, I stroked it with a net smile.giffor the second time the same method passed, but the second did not guess..
At least, if you don't believe it - try it!

This post was edited by RippeR - 03.09.2006 19: 47

03.09.2006 23:07, Necrocephalus

I barely caught my only Phaenops cyanea - it was so fast! When I noticed her on a log and wanted to sneak up on her to grab her with my hand (the net was too long to get out), she noticed me, fluttered up, and flew a few meters away, sitting on some stump of a pine branch. I crept up on her and at the very last moment managed to press her against the bark with my hand (she was almost flying up again). Your other gold leaf (Anthaxia quadripunctata) I caught it on a yellow flower , but it didn't even move smile.gif
2 RippeR: Tell me, where did you find such a horde of poecilonots? smile.gif I've never seen one at all... Where should I look for them?

04.09.2006 4:47, Букашечник

As one of the options for collecting goldfish, you can dig out the minks of some species of single wasps, whose larvae feed on pre-prepared and immobilized beetles. I can't remember the species right now, but Fabre's book "The Life and Customs of Insects" describes everything in great detail.

04.09.2006 15:03, Necrocephalus

2 Bugbearer: You probably mean Cerceris bupresticida, which is exactly what Fabre famed for. I tried to find the wasp's burrows in my area, but it seems that either we don't have this cerceris, or I didn't search well... In theory, its minks should be quite noticeable, because their diameter should allow you to drag a voluminous gold leaf inside, and the wasp itself, which can carry weighty beetles, should not be of the most modest size.

05.09.2006 11:20, guest: Andron

A few days ago, I caught a bunch of Phaenops cyanea, a couple of Buprestis species, and only one instance of Chalcophora mariana in a pine forest on freshly sawn pines (after all, the time of year probably affects - it's a little late already).
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05.09.2006 12:54, Necrocephalus

Andron, if it's not a secret, please tell me where you live? I mean, where is this pine forest where you can catch so many goldsmiths?

05.09.2006 16:14, RippeR

Once I went for a walk to a clearing-a former clearing, on a small hill, in the forest, although it may be a landing, since there are a lot of acacias very much. There, skrayu glade, lay a lot of acacia trunks. I saw something glittering on them, and they turned out to be poecylonotes. There were also antaxia semolina. Poecilonot was not so much - about 6, and maybe more by 1-2..
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08.09.2006 10:11, guest: Andron

I live in Orenburg, and this forest is located in the west of the region (Buzuluk). In fact, we have Phaenops almost everywhere - even in the south in pine forest plantations, where coniferous forests originally did not exist. One of the most common goldsmiths. By the way, this is not much at all... Near any village in the forest there will be logs, on which lego will find all sorts of such animals!
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08.09.2006 13:49, RippeR

who wants a lot of cyanide fans: Find a dry tree (pine) where the bark comes off (just not so that it directly falls off when you touch it), type a little of it (you can check it by breaking off a piece-there should be small white larvae) put it in an aquarium, a bag (bag) or somewhere else and in the next year you will have a lot of cyanide (tried it) smile.gif Although I've never seen it in nature myself, but I've brought out a bunch in this way..
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08.09.2006 20:22, Necrocephalus

2 Andron: Oh, it's a pity you're so far away... We do not seem to have Ch. mariana, as there is simply not a single "serious" pine tree. I've already caught Ph. cyanea. Next season, I'm going to focus on finding hardwoods - related goldsmiths-I think there should be some in my area.
2 RippeR: thanks for the method, only Ph. cyanea doesn't interest me too much. I would like to find a tree that is affected by some large and beautiful gold leaf... for example, Ch. mariana smile.gifBy the way, do you have it in Moldova?

09.09.2006 0:00, Bad Den

Next season, I'm going to focus on finding hardwoods - related goldsmiths-I think there should be some in my area.

Be sure to try "mowing" in the thickets of various willows, especially willows. In the leaves of willow trees, small goldworms from the Trachys river develop.

09.09.2006 23:39, RippeR

Necrocephalus:
We don't have Mariana, we also have serious Nema pine forests.. We don't have any pine forests at all, only plantings that are all frail. Nevertheless, some coniferous species are found, and that is good.
I would like to catch good goldfish myself (in principle, they are all good, you just need to catch those species that you have not met before.. For example, the same Capnodis tenebrionis and tenebrioska and cariosa.. they should all be there, but I've never seen any of them).

Bad Dan:
Well, trachys is not very serious. And different species in general can be found everywhere, especially often on the leaves of different hardwoods sit. Appear in my opinion from the middle of spring, somewhere.

10.09.2006 22:50, Necrocephalus

2 Bad Den: thank you for the advice, I will definitely try, since we have all sorts of willows, willows, brooms, etc. meryano-nemeryano smile.gif

2 RippeR: I also used to consider many species frivolous for myself, especially small ones that were not listed in Plavilshchikov's determinantsmile.gif, but now I rejoice at every coleopterous bug that I can identify: the other day I caught Leistus ferrugineus, which I would not have taken before, let alone determined. The only drawback is that you can't stick small items on pins, and you don't want to glue them on homemade dies - you will need to order them.

11.09.2006 9:34, KDG

Small barbels are well collected by shaking off dry and semi-dry branches on a white cloth. Parmena, Parmenopsis, Anaesthetis, Leiopus, Pogonocherus are scattered. Once even Rosalia alpina dusted off.
And in addition to barbels, weevils, ptinids, false-beds, black-heifers, etc. are showered.

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