Help the newbie with some tips!

In general, you can collect anything, for example, beer cans( but unfortunately there is no such science of beer science and they will not give you a scientific degree for this).

Another thing is that if you want to realize yourself in science, then it is not enough just to collect, define and describe species. Start at least by studying variability - try to find similarities or differences in the appearance (color, structure) of representatives of the same species (just at least start paying attention to the fact that individuals differ from each other), or, for example, try to identify environmental features (where they live, who they eat, at what time they are most active). In general, try to identify any patterns in the nature around you. Plus, ask if you can then work in a zoological field (institute, department, graduate school).

Of course, being able to identify is important for every scientist, but this is not the main thing.

do you have them defined by the way or just like that?

Start at least by studying variability - try to find similarities or differences in the appearance (color, structure) of representatives of the same species (just at least start paying attention to the fact that individuals differ from each other), or, for example, try to identify environmental features (where they live, who they eat, at what time they are most active). In general, try to identify any patterns in the nature around you.

That's it! Tell me plz how to do it earlier....

Plus, ask if you can then work in a zoological field (institute, department, graduate school).

No.

and what is there?

Dear Andrey,You've come to the right address.This site will help you answer many questions.As Alexander_bk said above, you can collect as an amateur and conduct scientific work.Don't worry about your age-for many etymologists, this hobby goes back to deep childhood.
I advise you to buy and download the necessary literature (atlases-determinants) then you will know that this beetle also has a name,its features, where it is best to look for it, etc.It is also worth making a circle of entomologist friends.This will also help you in many ways(they will share their advice and go fishing together).And of course, visit museums-you can also learn a lot of information there.

To Yunnat: If you have any questions about the collection methods (and not only), please write. I'll be happy to help!!!

This post was edited by Black Coleopter - 12.07.2009 23: 34

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Dear Andrey,You've come to the right address.This site will help you answer many questions.As Alexander_bk said above, you can collect as an amateur and conduct scientific work.Don't worry about your age-for many etymologists, this hobby goes back to deep childhood.
I advise you to buy and download the necessary literature (atlases-determinants) then you will know that this beetle also has a name,its features, where it is best to look for it, etc.It is also worth making a circle of entomologist friends.This will also help you in many ways(they will share their advice and go fishing together).And of course, visit museums-you can also learn a lot of information there.

Thanks!
Yes, I'm going to collect as an amateur. About friends of entomologists och big problem near me, as I understood, they are absent...

This post was edited by Yunnat-13.07.2009 12: 44

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I am glad to see that the Ukrainians are not transferred here either! What font does the site use? I can't read it!

I am glad to see that the Ukrainians are not transferred here either! What font does the site use? I can't read it!

As a Ukrainian to a Ukrainian: the largest number of entomologists per square meter, both amateurs and professionals, in(on) Ukraine is still in Kiev! That is, you are lucky. In addition, without personal communication, nothing will work anyway. It is worth looking in all sorts of Yunnatian circles, at the Bird Market, go, in the end, to the department of entomology at the university or even [may the Force be with you!] to the Institute of Zoology. And I gave you a link to download a specific file, it is not readable. The address is here -- http://herba.msu.ru/shipunov/school/sch-ru.htm, you can search for it there ...Kozlov, Nienburg... etc. Good luck.

Thank you all for your previous feedback!!! I still have a question: how quickly to kill moths? And butterflies... so that they don't break their wings?

This post was edited by Yunnat - 23.07.2009 21: 12

Thank you all for your previous feedback!!! I still have a question: how quickly to kill moths? And butterflies... so that they don't break their wings?

Hi Kiev a lot of people with whom you can catch, if that write in PM I will send to komunibud

Can anyone answer the question???

Can anyone answer the question???

The simplest, most reliable and fastest method: a thin syringe and ammonia. One drop is enough to instantly calm even a large butterfly (and a beetle, too). In this case, butterflies do not have to be removed from the net: the injection can be done through the fabric of the net.

(and the beetle, too.)

This is something new, so that beetles can be pricked with ammonia... Maybe it's better to put ethyl acetate in the stain?!?

This is something new, so that beetles can be pricked with ammonia... Maybe it's better to put ethyl acetate in the stain?!?

Yes, in my mossy opinion, it also seems that it is better . However, advanced entomologists of large beetles tingle in the joints. By the way, find and read in the "Fishing Reports" how our RippeR caught Rosalia alpina - he used a syringe. So, there are no limits to perfection!

Thanks!!!

Help plz! I want to collect beetles! More precisely, I have already been collecting for 2 years... I live in Kiev. Age 14 years. Plz not paying attention to the age, help, advise something...        

Well, I will contribute to the "senior and experienced tips".
If there is interest, everything will come, and, most importantly, in comparison with what was in our years, any advice, communication, definition, etc. can be found on the internet (especially on this site). And it doesn't matter at all whether you become a professional by profession or just an amateur. There are plenty of examples of amateurs contributing to entomology at the level of good professionals! I (I am a professional) have three close friends, whose passion for insects is a hobby. So they carried this hobby with them for 30-35 years, being professionally far from biology. No wonder one of them was able to find several new species of beetles for science, one of which now bears his name.
Good luck!

This post was edited by evk - 18.10.2009 14: 07

Yes, in my mossy opinion, it also seems that it is better . However, advanced entomologists of large beetles tingle in the joints. By the way, find and read in the "Fishing Reports" how our RippeR caught Rosalia alpina - he used a syringe. So, there are no limits to perfection!

Interesting!!! But most importantly, do not miss and do not inject a dose of ammonia into your finger. And then from the wild pain you can drop a valuable copy

I myself sometimes prick large beetles with a thin single-tube syringe from below at the junction of the prothorax and midthorax . The main thing here is not to overdo it, well, after that it is better to straighten the beetle as quickly as possible.

This post was edited by vasiliy-feoktistov - 18.10.2009 15: 35

Yes, in my mossy opinion, it also seems that it is better . However, advanced entomologists of large beetles tingle in the joints. By the way, find and read in the "Fishing Reports" how our RippeR caught Rosalia alpina - he used a syringe. So, there are no limits to perfection!

This year in Thailand, I came across several large female rhinos (Eupatorus gracilicornis). These monsters did not want to fall asleep, breathing ethyl acetate vapors, waking up already on the mattress and bringing confusion to the even rows of other beetles. They calmed down only after injecting about a cube of ammonia into the abdomen, anterior and middle chest. The injection of ethyl acetate did not give a clinical effect

I myself sometimes prick large beetles with a thin single-tube syringe from below at the junction of the prothorax and midthorax . The main thing here is not to overdo it, well, after that it is better to straighten the beetle as quickly as possible.

Can you find out what happens if you "overdo it"? And does it dry out quickly after an injection?

Interesting!!! But most importantly, do not miss and do not inject a dose of ammonia into your finger. And then from the wild pain you can drop a valuable copy

While stabbing brazhnikov still injected himself with ammonia.The pain wasn't so bad,but it killed a nerve along the way-the finger had been numb for more than a month,not sensitive to anything at all.

Can you find out what happens if you "overdo it"? And does it dry out quickly after an injection?

Yes, that's right. Stale and difficult to soak. Ethyl acetate is the best soaking agent-a plasticizer. Do you remember the substance abusers and glue-moment (which is exactly what they sniffed out from "Moment")?

So what happens if you overdo it with ammonia?

So what happens if you overdo it with ammonia?

You were also answered in the previous post: the insect "becomes stale" and then lends itself poorly to soaking and straightening.

So what happens if you overdo it with ammonia?

+ white butterflies from it also turn yellow

+ white butterflies also turn yellow from it

... and green

Another question! Who collects spiders? At my dacha och beautiful vodka, but I tried to dry one, he skukozhilsya! Can I somehow save the form without opening it?

To learn more about saving spiders, follow this link.
http://zoometod.narod.ru/plav/plavil_71.html

Another question! Who collects spiders? At my dacha och beautiful vodka, but I tried to dry one, he skukozhilsya! Can I somehow save the form without opening it?

Spiders are stored in 70% alcohol.

Spiders are stored in 70% alcohol.

Not only that!!! In large spiders, the abdomen is dissected

Thank you Dmitrich for the link, there I found everything that interested me! I actually asked more in order to learn how to dry them and not in alcohol...

This is something new, so that beetles can be pricked with ammonia... Maybe it's better to put ethyl acetate in the stain?!?

Maybe better, but compare how much easier it is to get ammonia, and how much more difficult etalacetate is!!!

I do not advise you to prick the beetles with ammonia, or soar them. After that, they begin to break up along the joints - it's very sad to mount them later

Ethyl acetate is not a problem to find - nail polish remover without acetone. Only the composition should be read: sometimes butyl acetate is used-IMHO less effective for soaking.

As I understood from the previous answers, the insect becomes stale only when "overdosed"! And about ethyl acetate in "nail polish remover without acetone" - thank you! Is it possible to prick beetles/butterflies with ethyl acetate???

Is it possible to prick beetles/butterflies with ethyl acetate???

And why? This is acetic ether (they already soak insects quickly enough).

Tell me, please, where can I find information about the lifestyle of the ant-hoverfly?

Learn to Google! And you will have everything.