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Sociality of insects, and their brains

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06.08.2015 22:29, ИНО

And that there is a truly detailed vision of the subject. The person also does not shine with vision... compared to the eagle. Everything is relative. Formick hadn't read any articles on vision. But behind the various cataglyphs, there are many visual achievements, up to the hypothesis of orientation at night by the stars (orientation during the day by the sun is already a proven fact).

As for memorizing the moves and ramifications of the comb, it's quite likely, like how secret agents in movies memorize all the turns on the road when they are taken to the lair of bandits blindfolded. But I am very confused about the possibility of transmitting this information from ant to ant. I can't imagine a mechanism that would allow this to be done. The bees immediately noticed the complex dance figures. But in ants, although something similar to a dance is found, but the movements there are very primitive and bee-like. It is a pity that the authors of the aforementioned article did not consider it necessary to analyze or at least simply record the behavior of the "scout" when meeting with other foragers, but limited themselves only to time measurements.

06.08.2015 22:53, Hierophis

And that there is a truly detailed vision of the subject. The person also does not shine with vision... compared to the eagle.

Detailed vision is ok when the ant can see the very branches of the comb ))
To understand the severity of the situation, you need, I feel, to post a clever quote from Wikipedia))

07.08.2015 1:24, ИНО

Roma, a small detail for an ant is a bird in the sky, and the comb on which it runs is an awesome huge detail, and 20 pieces of ommatidium would be enough for it to distinguish it. But what about the stars in the sky, I don't know.

And one more thing: don't forget that the ant's head is not stationary. For a caterpillar, for example, I proved that it can completely distinguish a distant tree with one simple larval eye (the others were painted over) and crawl towards it (apparently I meant a caterpillar of a tree species). It turned out that the caterpillar moves its head and remembers each point it sees and converts it into a complete picture in the brain. I think that if the caterpillar is capable of such a thing, the ant is even more so.

This post was edited by ENO-07.08.2015 01: 39

07.08.2015 8:54, Stas Shinkarenko

"Ants count their steps"
http://infoglaz.ru/?p=70106

07.08.2015 12:30, ИНО

It seems plausible and you can't dig into the design of the experiment. One thing just didn't add up:

07.08.2015 15:48, Hierophis

Well, in principle, here is the answer to the article above, and how ants navigate in the nest, perhaps. Anyway, that's cool too ) The scout ant most likely counted its steps and memorized turns, that is, in fact, it did what honeybees do, hence even the suspicion arises that the time markers of bees are not in the wing flaps that are not counted. smile.gif
However,the question about the reference point is not removed, bees are guided by the sun, people(well, in the pre-viral era smile.gif) and birds-by the magnetic field, ants, it turns out, also by the sun, but then the accuracy is amazing, because to navigate on a small comb or on a piece of desert by polarized or other light is not just like that ) Dofiga memory is needed and in general.. And there is no light in the nest. Then we will also change the magnetic sensitivity.

Well, the memory capacity, although it is possible that infa) is stored in the ant's memory conditionally, for example, first counting the number of steps, when the number of steps reaches, say, 100, or 500, the result is recorded as bolk at number 1, etc., and at the end the remaining number of steps in an incomplete block is recorded. During turns, record the angle of rotation and the repeat sign. And then calculate the direct path..
I wonder why we did not flash this, because nothing complicated - a step counter in the background+ a magnetic compass, like birds, and then no one would ever get lost, and in general there is a lot of useful things)) This is better than cloning nafig not necessary)

07.08.2015 15:56, ИНО

There is no answer there. Because the main question that arises when reading Reznikova's article is not how ants navigate (obviously, they have a huge variety of different ways, depending on the species and on the specific situation), but how the scout transmits such complex information to other foragers.

07.08.2015 17:50, Hierophis

Tendrils transmit, most likely, there is nothing particularly complicated to transmit there, in contrast to the situation when the ant would count exactly the branches of the comb.

07.08.2015 18:02, ИНО

Do they use their antennae to transmit the total number of steps and the direction of turns? For more information, please.

07.08.2015 18:31, Hierophis

Ezox, ish what you want!! Suddenly the idea will be stolen )))

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