Looking for fellow travelers on vacation - catching in October in Thailand

I'm going to. With my wife and possibly a second couple (buddies). The point is determined-Krabi, the time is the very end of September or the beginning of October. I fished last year in Phuket and I'm not going to give up this class this year :-) What's your point?

We were looking in the direction of Koh Chang. It is important that the point has a primary forest. In most popular resorts - secondary. This is very bad for a bug.

We were looking in the direction of Koh Chang. It is important that the point has a primary forest. In most popular resorts - secondary. This is very bad for a bug.

"Koh Chang has been developing rapidly over the past 4 years, with new hotels, roads, banks, and clinics being built. But since the island has been granted the status of a national park, construction is being carried out in such a way that the island's ecology is not destroyed."
I saw enough of the above in Phuket last year... In any case, you will have to get from your place of residence to the nearest mountain, where the forest is really untrodden. I am comforted by the fact that butterflies, unlike beetles, are more mobile and noticeable creatures, because in the rain or after it, stomping in 30 g. heat and 100% humidity in the mountains is not the best thing to do for recreation

Duc Phuket has long developed and is still in progress. Ko Chang was just getting raped. So there should have been something left, judging by the pictures. the area is very mountainous and sometimes the forest starts right from the hotels. It is important that there are no discos and other crap there - I already checked this through my friends in the travel agency. The answer was this (people are far from nature): there is nothing to do there - there is no nightlife, and from excursions - only waterfalls and elephants.

Tell us the advantages of Krabi, by the way. As far as I know, the place trampled by tourists

Duc Phuket has long developed and is still in progress. Ko Chang was just getting raped. So there should have been something left, judging by the pictures. the area is very mountainous and sometimes the forest starts right from the hotels. It is important that there are no discos and other crap there - I already checked this through my friends in the travel agency. The answer was this (people are far from nature): there is nothing to do there - there is no nightlife, and from excursions - only waterfalls and elephants.

Yes, that's right, the place is clearly less trampled compared to others. But I would like to draw your attention to the status of a national park with all possible consequences. To be honest, it's not very easy there and near the pool, and I don't even want to think about the conditions in the local prison
As for the local animals, Zhuravlev told me that in the north of Thailand (Chiang Mai), entire villages live only by collecting insects and shipping them almost in barrels. For commercial sale, not for food. But there, alas, there is no sea-ocean...

Tell us the advantages of Krabi, by the way. As far as I know, the place is trampled by tourists

Yes, what is there to tell, if every time we are looking for a compromise between civilized recreation conditions, the presence of exotics and the desire to fish. Still, the place is clearly less developed than Phuket, where Thais are like dirt and everyone is terribly curious. Krabi (Reilly Peninsula) has nothing but hotels, but there are rocks all around. In addition, there are many uninhabited small islands in the immediate vicinity, which are easy to reach if desired.
As for the weather, I do not rule out that Koh Chang is better, because since last year I have a daily weather forecast for Phuket hanging on my screen and I see daily rains. Phuket - Indian Ocean, Andaman Sea. Koh Chang-Pacific Ocean, Gulf of Thailand.

Then what's wrong with Koh Chang? For me, the chance of "getting in" is about the same everywhere... If you do not shine a net in the hotel, everything should be OK. I know about Chang Mai, but, alas, a trip there is not a rest at all. Although for insects, this is the best option.

I was on Koh Chang in 2000. Of course, during this time, everything should change a lot, and not for the better, I'm sure. Even then, the entire coast was occupied by campsites, which were closely approached by a secondary, but rather rich forest. The National Park itself is located in the center of the island. By the way, the entrance to it was through a checkpoint. If I remember correctly, after all, a lot of time has passed, then there was a sign at the checkpoint with the opening hours of the national park (!), i.e. formally it is impossible to stay there at night. We abandoned the idea of going in during the day and staying until morning out of concern - will the Thais come looking for lost white people? In general, Ko Chang left a very pleasant impression.

Leonid, did you manage to catch anything at all? Or were you out of season? Can you compare the situation there with other popular resorts in Thailand (the same Krabi, for example)? Thank you so much for the info.

We managed to catch a lot of things, and there are still undescribed materials lying around. As for other resorts, I do not know - in Thailand I was only on Koh Chang and Khao Yai.

Now I will try to hang a few photos that give an idea of the landscape.

The coast is a great sandy beach, but completely burned by people (but there were places!). Pay attention to the slides covered with forest

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Thanks for the photo. By the way, did you hunt for butterflies or beetles? Did something fly into the light in the hotel?

the island was surrounded by a highway, if you get off it, you can immediately collect. But it was not possible to get off everywhere, difficult terrain and bamboos interfered.

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The roof of our bungalow, and above it a nice forest. In a straight line, this forest is a couple of hundred meters away, but you can't enter it, because there is a bamboo forest and an almost sheer cliff! By the way, the only hope is for a very rugged terrain - it is physically difficult to chop and shit on everything. But Asians are stubborn...

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Another view of the highway: on the left, an almost vertical slope falls down, on the right - a sheer cliff. At night, we fished right along the highway, but we have a "manual fee", and just in case we disguised ourselves.

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Leonid, what exactly did you catch? Butterflies or beetles? What time of year were you there?

Cockroaches, earwigs, praying mantises, and other orthopteroids. In general, I usually try to take everything, within reasonable limits. Just large butterflies and "commodity" beetles, I especially did not take. I was warned about potential trouble. Thais are well aware of what has a commercial meaning and what "these gringos are all crazy...". But just in case, we tried not to let anyone see anything.
We were around the beginning of November (November 7 was celebrated). Dry, not very hot, in general the holiday season. Fishing was not very good: the litter is too dry, etc., etc. for orthopteroids, not very good. They caught the light once - they took a sheet out of the bungalow, climbed further into the woods, and hung a half-disassembled halogen lantern on top. The result is not very good, to put it mildly. But the bats just landed on my head! and from below, spiders crawled into the light on the sheets! Then there were either rats or mongooses (I'm not a mammalian, and I couldn't really see them). In general, there are a lot of impressions, but results ... much smaller.

Thank you again and again. And what was the situation with the beetles? Did you come across anything? As for November, I was in the middle of the month in Malaysia. The Coleopter was already very tight... Nothing came to light at all.. Knowledgeable people say that the best time is from May to September..

Thank you again and again. And what was the situation with the beetles? Did you come across anything? As for November, I was in the middle of the month in Malaysia. The Coleopter was already very tight... Nothing came to light at all.. Knowledgeable people say that the best time is from May to September..

I can tell from Phuket :- ) In the light of ordinary lamps in the hotel for 8 days of stay, 3 types of crustaceans arrived, and only one type was quite massive (>20 pieces, similar to our May, but all chocolate color), the other two-1-2 copies each (such as Melolontha nepalensis and our Anomala dubia). Under the street lamps, after going around 40 pieces of them, one bird-pecked specimen of a large (5 cm) bronzer and 1 hefty water lover crushed by a car were found. During the day, 1 copy was caught on the fly. a small barbel (similar to Gerania bosci) and another much larger one was found drowned on the shore. And that's all! I.e. almost none, but I didn't really look for beetles. Amateur attempts to install wine and beer traps ended in general in vain... Stones and logs periodically turned over, except for 15 cm kivsyakov found nothing. In the axils of the chopped leaves of coconut palms filled with earth and rot, larvae of the usachy-khrushchevy species were found. Naturally, I did occasional searches, such as when you can't get a net, or when you're shyly picking buffalo shit (empty, by the way). Landscape around-resort and construction...

Yes, I had about the same results on trips (for work) to Cambodia, Thailand and Vietnam with Malaysia So what do you think about Krabi-is it more interesting than Koh Chang? Judging by the photo and info, it is still more polluted..

Yes, I had about the same results on trips (for work) to Cambodia, Thailand and Vietnam with Malaysia So what do you think about Krabi-is it more interesting than Koh Chang? Judging by the photo and info, it is still more polluted..

More than Phuket? I highly doubt it! Krabi province is significantly less developed in the tourist sense, Phuket is now a solid construction site-hotels, villas and other rubbish. Plus builders from Thailand and Myanmar. And Krabi is much less populated. On the Reilly Peninsula, you can have a wonderful look in Google Earth, (Koh Chang, by the way, too) high-resolution satellite images, you can choose a palm tree in advance, the peninsula itself is separated by a high ridge and you can only get to it by boat. Unlike Phuket, there are no highways at all. In general, we will see and then compare the impressions (I can't replay anything. Well, I almost can't). I don't worry about butterflies, there will definitely be local banalities, but for us they are also exotic. Last year, we were dropped off for 5 hours on some small island. Everything is civilized, even the golf course is surrounded by palm trees. But at the same time, there are no local people at all and butterflies, which were few, did not interfere with catching any infection. By the way, there are not many tourists in early October(relatively) even in Phuket. Out of season, the beaches are almost empty, since they are long. The madhouse starts in November.

OK, Mikhail, I understand. If we're going to Krabi, I'll let you know.

Thank you again and again. And what was the situation with the beetles? Did you come across anything? As for November, I was in the middle of the month in Malaysia. The Coleopter was already very tight... Nothing came to light at all.. Knowledgeable people say that the best time is from May to September..

With beetles, it was similar to how mikee wrote: Hefty rhinoceros beetles (banals) flew to the light of lamps, several bronzes were also caught, etc.in the forest, there was also something in the litter: interesting colored ground beetles, small black bodies on the trunks and all sorts of small things. From "obsessions" - I found a dead female dynastina (if I remember the subfamily correctly, it was also banal, as they explained to me), and the chief caught a huge barbel, in the palm of a long one! If I'm exaggerating, it's a little bit, we both got him out of the net and pushed him into the stain!

Super, thanks for the info! By the way. how did you get to the island - from Bangkok by plane?

Not a fig to myself "With beetles was similar to how mikee wrote"! Although I don't deal with beetles specifically, I respect the large and beautiful representatives of this tribe very much... And I would be very happy with such a catch.

Super, thanks for the info! By the way. how did you get to the island - from Bangkok by plane?

Sergey, there is also a ferry to the island, it ends work at 23: 00, I think. It is important not to spend the night on the mainland :- ) And I was also told that there are problems with the car from Bangkok, because it is far away. And prices bite...

Yes, we've read about the ferry. But this is already, I hope, there will be problems with travel agencies And fees - especially for November, and the truth is excellent

Gentlemen, good day to all, I accidentally came across this forum and can share my impressions of catching butterflies in Thailand (I can't say anything about beetles). If you want to combine rest and fishing, then you need to go north to the same Chang Mai, for example. I was in Thailand in different places, there is no such number and variety of insects as in the north anywhere. Yes, and just relax in Chang Mae is much more interesting, a lot of interesting places, temples, excursions, again, the climate is more comfortable than in the south, and most importantly-the terrain is often mountainous,which means-uncultured, preserved tropical rainforests. I caught moths right in the city on the bridge over the Ping River, I didn't have time to put them in bags, although the last time was in the spring of 2007, something wasn't enough. To get into the forest, of course, you need to drive away from the city. You can rent a car, and it is easier (and much cheaper) to use a moped, but not a taxi. Taxi drivers refuse to go further than asphalt at all. If you go east from Chang Mai 50 kilometers, you will find yourself in the jungle impassable, interesting, but you can not get inside-the mountains and thickets. It's much easier to go to the R valley.Sae, a mountain scenic river, elephant show, snake show and much more for tourists, yes, a very beautiful botanical garden. From the asphalt on a motorcycle you turn somewhere to the side and look for a suitable place for fishing, from the third time you can find a good one. I caught there and troides and papilio different, a lot of my favorite pigeons, generally full of everything, I think and beetles too. By the way, opposite the botanical garden there is a wonderful hotel, it stands far from any buildings, in the forest, most of the time completely empty (built to accommodate participants of scientific conferences held on the basis of this garden), so there I saw a huge barbel at the reception. The employees said that there was plenty of this stuff at night. I wanted to stay for a couple of days, haggled for 40US for a room, but I couldn't persuade my wife, I took away from the walls the fact that the birds didn't peck (these are more large butterflies - hawks, large scoops, bears) and drove on. By the way, the locals do not strain at all from the fact that you catch butterflies, rather on the contrary - they tell you.
If you are interested, I can advise you on where to stay, where to go, etc. And of course, I also want to go to the sea. My wife and I usually go to the coast after northern Thailand for 4-5 days, there are enough planes there, additional flights will not be so expensive compared to the entire cost of the trip, and you can also take a train. And do not bother you with travel agencies, for Thailand it is absolutely not necessary.

Yes, we've read about the ferry. But this is already, I hope, there will be problems of the travel agency And the fees-especially for November, are really excellent

Gentlemen, I must be very greedy (or poor, but Thailand has a very well-developed network of bus routes. Spending the night in a cheap hotel was also not a big problem. And in general-why travel agencies? This increases the score significantly! In extreme cases, representatives of travel agencies (local, i.e. prices are normal, Thai) are located directly at the airport.

Thank you again and again. And what was the situation with the beetles? Did you come across anything? As for November, I was in the middle of the month in Malaysia. The Coleopter was already very tight... Nothing came to light at all.. Knowledgeable people say that the best time is from May to September..

Greetings. I don't know if the information is appropriate, but nevertheless. I have fished in Tae and in the surrounding areas more than once, with varying degrees of success.
November is a bad month for Coleoptera. Even the end of September can be better, because at this time you can get into a short dry season before the rains of October .
In general, for fishing, that for Thaya, that for other tropics-it is necessary to shine.
If you are serious about fishing, you can just buy a Honda generator in Bangkok for $ 100, and then rent a car and go fishing. This is the best way. Then throw out the generator or leave it for storage to someone.
If you have a whole vacation and go to the islands, then this is also possible, well, if you are not too lazy. I've done this more than once. The results are nothing, just the fauna of the island scales poorer than the continent. Well, you'll catch something. But I don't recommend it in the National Park. You can just hang the DRL lamp on the wall of the bungalow, and pay the owner extra money to be happy. Of course, you need a good screen exposure.
And.. finally, the main thing. Just like everywhere else, you need fishing spots. Just about anything doesn't fly. Zoning in the tropics is creepy. 500 meters to the left - 500 meters to the right can change everything.

Well, then focus on your own experience, the crocs of others and luck.
I love river deltas.
Yes! Important-use repellent at night. Malaria exists, as does Dengue fever and Japanese encephalitis. Anopheles is generally a nocturnal beast.It is better not to get sick with them, because it is unpleasant.
Good luck!

Oh, I forgot. Up to 5 species of Cicindela can be caught on the beaches of the islands in Tae.Some very much nothing. Look for places where fresh rivers flow into the sea.

Yes, the latter. Krabi is a party place, suitable for recreation, drinking and sex.
Not for fishing. It is better to stop in Ao Nang, and from there take a scooter and go from the coast. There you can find quality places.