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PG18, 29.08.2011 15:00

Dear friends and colleagues!
What if the book with all the pictures and text was posted online, not only without the consent of the authors, but even without a link to them?
I'm talking about our book Butterflies of the Southern Urals. Reference guide. Publishing House "Socrates", 2008. P. Y. Gorbunov, V. N. Olshvang. And here is this site: http://www.urral.ru/
The rats even put their own" copyright reserved":
© 2011. Butterflies of the Southern Urals: Reference guide.
Apparently in defense of their own, probably stupidly translated from English, phrases, such as: "Butterflies represent an evolutionary branch of moths."
How can I search for site creators if the "feedback" with them is only in one direction?
Do copyright laws apply?

This post was edited by PG18-29.08.2011 19: 29

Comments

29.08.2011 15:25, Yakovlev

Pavel, hi!
Yes, a very unpleasant situation. I am sure that it is best to get legal advice. For example, and-in Socrates, I'm also sure I'm not thrilled.
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29.08.2011 15:39, rhopalocera.com

Everything is simple enough.

Here's some information about your
domain: URRAL.RU
nserver: ns1. ihc. ru.
nserver: ns2.ihc. ru.
state: REGISTERED, DELEGATED, VERIFIED
person: Private Person
e-mail:
registrar: REGISTRAR-REG-RIPN
created: 2010.12.06
paid-till: 2011.12.06
source: TCI

Hoster of this site - ihc.ru

Go there, there is contact information at the bottom of the page

Internet Hosting LLC
101000, Moscow, Pokrovka str., 1/13/6, building 2, office 35
License to provide telematics communication services No. 69054 dated 06.08.2009
Public offer
General Terms and Conditions вопросы:info@ihc.ru

Заказы:sales@ihc.ru

Техподдержка:support@ihc.ru

Phone/Fax number:
+7 (495) 648-60-33, +380 (44) 591-93-44

We call, write, and explain the situation. Sites are usually closed for one or two days. If you want money from the person who stole the book-explain it in a letter to the hoster, a statement to the police, a copy to the hoster. The police, upon request from the hoster, will take contact details and work with the thief.

But I warn you-butting heads will take a long smile.giftime . Easier site close
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29.08.2011 18:41, PG18

Quite simply everything.
...
We call, write, and explain the situation. Sites are usually closed for one or two days. If you want money from the person who stole the book-explain it in a letter to the hoster, a statement to the police, a copy to the hoster. The police, upon request from the hoster, will take contact details and work with the thief.

But I warn you-butting heads will take a long smile.giftime . It's easier to close the site

There's no time to butt heads. I'm going on an expedition in a few days. Is it really necessary to send such statements to the regional police department?!. And they'll take it?

29.08.2011 21:21, rhopalocera.com

Not to the district department, of course. There is a so-called "department P" - work with crimes in the field of computer technology.

29.08.2011 22:22, mikee

Not to the district department, of course. There is a so-called "department P" - work with crimes in the field of computer technology.

Now - Management(department) " K " (http://kguvd.ru/)

29.08.2011 23:08, niyaz

Piracy in our country is developed on a huge scale. So I don't think your case is out of the ordinary. There are a million such cases. It seems to me that the police or department " K " will only laugh at your desire to establish justice. That's the way it works here.

29.08.2011 23:19, bober

I called your Department of Internal Affairs-they promised to help you
PS. cops aren't always bad either smile.gif

This post was edited by bobber - 29.08.2011 23: 41

30.08.2011 3:06, PG18

...It seems to me that the police or department " K " will only laugh at your desire to establish justice. That's the way it works here.

I'm sure of it, too, and that's why I don't want to push myself.
One thing is unclear: Why do rats need it? In the sense of creating such a site (scanning text [416 p.], images [564!]), diligently drawing attention to it, multiplying links. After all, clearly not from the love of butterflies and enlightenment...
More precisely, two are not clear: Why do you need to be rats? Why can't you just specify the authors of the text and images?..

This post was edited by PG18-30.08.2011 19: 05

30.08.2011 3:18, PG18

  
I called your Department of Internal Affairs and they promised to help you

Oh, I owe you one smile.gif

 
PS. cops aren't always bad either smile.gif

picture: _______________.jpg
smile.gif

This post was edited by PG18-30.08.2011 04: 32
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30.08.2011 10:23, Konung

By the way, we must pay tribute - the work on creating the site was done titanic - to re-scan the whole book (albeit a small one), recognize everything, organize it and arrange it in a convenient form for use.
But in general, I agree - a complete disgrace! smile.gif
They are on the same site, Pavel, and your books also sell for 550 rubles.:
http://www.urral.ru/book/38.htm
http://www.urral.ru/book/39.htm
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30.08.2011 14:29, AGG

Yesterday I talked to a lawyer I know, and he said that you don't need to look for anyone. You just need to write a statement to the police (what an indigestible word) and they will look for everyone themselves. You can look through Part 4 of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation Chapter 70 http://www.grazkodeks.ru/
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30.08.2011 15:05, Victor Titov

Yesterday I talked to a lawyer I know, and he said that you don't need to look for anyone. You just need to write a statement to the police (what an indigestible word) and they will look for everyone themselves. You can look through Part 4 of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation Chapter 70 http://www.grazkodeks.ru/

A few notes in the margins smile.gif. First, if in accordance with the Civil Code of the Russian Federation, then you should not apply to the police, but to the court with a claim for copyright protection and compensation for damage caused. And to do this, you need to know the details of the defendant (a claim to the court cannot be depersonalized). Secondly, if you apply to the police, then with an application for bringing to criminal responsibility (including unidentified persons) under part 2 of Article 146 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (illegal use of objects of copyright or related rights, as well as the acquisition, storage, transportation of counterfeit copies of works for sale, committed on a large scale). Just remember that in accordance with the note to this article, a large amount is the cost of copies of works or the cost of rights to use objects of copyright and related rights exceeding 50 thousand rubles, and a particularly large one (Part 3 of Article 146 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation) - exceeding 250 thousand rubles.
And more. You can, of course, go to the police (it will still end up in the right place). Only according to Article 151 of the Criminal Procedure Code of the Russian Federation, criminal cases of crimes under Article 146 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation are under the jurisdiction of investigators of the Investigative Committee of Russia.

This post was edited by Dmitrich - 30.08.2011 16: 05
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30.08.2011 19:13, PG18

By the way, we must pay tribute - the work on creating the site was done titanic - to re-scan the whole book (albeit a small one), recognize everything, organize it and arrange it in a convenient form for use.

Honestly, that's one consolation: they won't steal a bad book...
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06.09.2011 10:01, Penzyak

You can look at it from another angle - free advertising!
Many people (I can't vouch for young people - in my opinion, they stopped reading altogether) they try to have THEIR OWN copy of a SPECIFIC useful BOOK on the shelf (as they say, always "at hand"). And if the volume is still signed by the author - this is generally a beauty! Pavel your books will always be bought - after all, the work written by a specialist is immediately visible with a SOUL for your favorite business (and even so well printed!) this is a valuable and VERY useful ITEM!!!
And the book can/should be uploaded to you (with an autograph!) in an online second-hand book store Alib.ru cheaper than "competitors" - this will knock out the material ground from the pirates...
Success in publishing GOOD and USEFUL books!
wink.gif yes.gif umnik.gif
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22.09.2011 17:08, Peter Khramov

PG18, I have consulted a lawyer on your question. For a detailed answer, see your personal messages. In short, the algorithm of actions is noticeably different for cases when you just want to cover up the site and when you want to get monetary compensation through the court.
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22.09.2011 23:26, Transilvania

Why can't you just specify the authors of the text and images?..


I find myself asking the same question when I occasionally find my photos and texts not only on the Internet, but also in magazines that are sold in kiosks.

22.09.2011 23:45, Peter Khramov

At a minimum:
1. You need to search for the author. And when a person shakes a cloud of photos through Google.Picchi, it is very inconvenient for him to do this — he does not know and does not want to know who the author is.
2. Specifying the author in most cases will still be a violation of copyright law. And it becomes easier for the author to search for their illegally published photos.

23.09.2011 13:24, Bianor

To no avail. You meet so many thieves in your life that you don't have enough gas to respond to such encroachments on private property. Many of my drawings were blatantly stolen, but now I have neither the strength nor the desire to move in this direction.

23.09.2011 13:37, Peter Khramov

To no avail. You meet so many thieves in your life that you don't have enough gas to respond to such encroachments on private property.
No, not for nothing. You don't have enough, but someone else has enough: the author's personal file in each individual case.

23.09.2011 15:10, Bianor

The trick is that authorship is sometimes extremely difficult to prove. For example, your original drawing was hung down and your signature was erased. HOW can you prove that you are the author of the drawing? No way!

23.09.2011 15:27, Peter Khramov

What do you mean by the original, and where did you get it from?

23.09.2011 19:44, Bianor

Original drawings - ink on paper. And they hung out right at the institute-a former "teacher". I took it out of my desk drawer and said I'd "lost it." And then the drawings surfaced in the identifier for his authorship. And such tricks are often found. Do you have to work hard for every scumbag? I don't have enough nerves. And it is difficult to prove something in such a situation.

23.09.2011 20:51, Peter Khramov

A. If the originals are stolen on paper — this is a slightly different question (although you can pre-certify the authorship). In the situation discussed in this topic, everything is proved quite simply.

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