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Helene, 23.09.2005 15:08

Gentlemen, Does anyone know where you can get large, ornamental exotic beetles to keep in an insectarium? It is necessary for children from Stavropol who decided to create a private "insect zoo"

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23.09.2005 17:07, Helene

There Lucanus is found and other rogachiki.

Is it somewhere? smile.gif

23.09.2005 19:45, сеалор

And what, it is necessary that Insecta Works? If you do not have the experience and resources, then it is unlikely that the content and display of beetles will last long. Adults live little, larvae are almost not interesting to anyone. Maybe it's better for them to focus on exotic representatives of Arachnida?

26.09.2005 10:23, гость: v

Lucanus is unlikely to be suitable for breeding, as the larvae develop for 5 years. It is unlikely that they will wait so long for the release of imago. About large decorative beetles-it is necessary to ask the sellers of all sorts of stick insects, bird eaters, mantises, etc. at the bird market, maybe someone contains.

26.09.2005 12:10, Helene

Oryctes nasicornis (rhinoceros beetle) is also there.
And they are in Stavropol?

I saw the link, sent the bouquet, and then saw that there is a redbook (thanks anyway, it will come in handy) and in the next message-about the rhinoceros beetle. And I realized that you didn't understand me correctly. We need not local, but EXOTIC beetles, well, Goliath for example... They have a zoo there, and the zoo, of course, also has wolves and hares, but the main thing for the audience is that there should be a lion or an elephant there wink.gif
The insectarium is located in Pyatigorsk, one of the organizers lives there, the other in Kislovodsk. They have breeding experience, so they know what they are doing with these beetles, but it is important to get high-quality material. The Moscow Zoo will help them with stick insects (they also want to), but they have just started working on beetles themselves.

26.09.2005 13:59, Helene

No, the stag beetle is exotic for us SMART ONES!!! smile.gif Especially in the south, where they are found in nature without any problems. And to attract the average person, give a big and bright...
By the way, I saw these deer this year in Voronezh. Charming creatures, such fun! The male is flying, his jaws are outweighed, and his nose is biting! smile.gif

26.09.2005 14:26, Helene

This year my husband brought two antlers from Ossetia.He told scary stories about how they got out of the box and, instead of running away,"stood in a rack on their hind legs waiting for him to come," while showing bitten fingers.

Did males or females bite? It seems that males are not biting, they have these jaws the truth is that they are like deer horns-to butt heads with their brothers smile.gif

26.09.2005 15:26, Helene

Females are biting-that's right. Have you ever seen them stand up in a defensive position (on their hind legs)?

26.09.2005 16:44, Дзанат

No, I haven't. no.gif

26.09.2005 21:45, TARZAN

What are you doing? Are you going to keep such beetles? Aren't there enough bronzes? no.gif

26.09.2005 22:05, sealor

I also found one in my landing. Well, he bites, as he grabbed it with his "horns", almost to the point of blood!

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27.09.2005 12:04, Helene

I also found one in my landing. Well, he bites, as he grabbed it with his "horns", almost to the point of blood!

I talked to a male deer (crawled on the table, picked it up too). Strong beetle, in the hands of great turns out and scratches. But I didn't try to bite him. Maybe you put your finger "in his mouth" out of curiosity? wink.gif

27.09.2005 17:52, sealor

Depending on how to understand "bite", he grabbed my finger with his horns. And it was precisely aggression, I didn't put anything anywhere on purposesmile.gif, he just crawled, and couldn't crawl past the finger, for which he was launched, when he pulled his hand away, to the sky, with an acceleration probably not familiar to him, so after that he was calmer.

28.09.2005 13:34, гость: А

Gentlemen, Does anyone know where you can get large, ornamental exotic beetles to keep in an insectarium? It is necessary for children from Stavropol who decided to create a private "insect zoo"

Let them go to the website of the St. Petersburg company Zoocom, there are a lot of beetles and their larvae (and not only beetles) in the price list.
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28.09.2005 16:19, Helene

Depending on how to understand "bite", he grabbed my finger with his horns. And it was precisely aggression, I didn't put anything anywhere on purposesmile.gif, he just crawled, and couldn't crawl past the finger, for which he was launched, when he pulled his hand away, to the sky, with an acceleration probably not familiar to him, so after that he was calmer.

Yeah... After all, I know their (insects') anatomy and physiology, I know how primitive their nervous activity is, that there are only instincts there. But sometimes they give out such a thing that it remains to recognize the possibility of an individual wink.gif

30.09.2005 0:41, гость: r

Gentlemen, Does anyone know where you can get large, ornamental exotic beetles to keep in an insectarium? It is necessary for children from Stavropol who decided to create a private "insect zoo"


In our country, nowhere. Abroad - as much as you want. Let them read the forum on www.terraristik.com. Just don't fall for the provocations of crooks from Africa.

30.09.2005 1:28, RudoyAndrey

"I know how primitive their nervous activity is,"
who is it, bees, mupavyas, wasps, too??? What about mushroom bodies??
"that it remains to recognize the possibility of the presence of individuality"
And individuality, in my opinion, is always available. How else?
And I can't help you with anything...
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03.10.2005 20:42, Tigran Oganesov

Yeah... After all, I know their (insects') anatomy and physiology, I know how primitive their nervous activity is, that there are only instincts there.

Well, the position of "only instincts" went into oblivion at the beginning of the last century. Now, on the contrary, there is a lot of indisputable evidence that insects have "cognitive" (thinking) abilities - they are able to generalize signs, count elementary and learn very well. Of course, this is more typical for smartphones. Ground beetles, for example, can navigate a complex maze better than crow birds.

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04.10.2005 14:55, Helene

So do not "stupefy" insects so much wink.gif

Yesaaaaaa... I hate to score vertebrae, because they "understand everything" (although sometimes it is necessary to fix someone on expeditions), so now I will feel like a mass killer with butterflies: how many individuals I destroy in one night fishing! wink.gif

In Moscow, all sorts of bright bronzes can be bought on a bird, they are bred in the zoo in an insectarium.

I don't trust you about the Bird. Pure commerce prevails there, so the quality of the material is not guaranteed. In the zoo, an excess of beetles was not found, while they promised to help with stick insects. And for information about the exhibition thank smile.gifyou

05.10.2005 20:56, Tigran Oganesov

06.10.2005 14:22, Helene

Well, I don't agree. I know a lot of good people, there are real specialists with good products.

I have no doubt that there is. smile.gif But I don't know this community at all, and I'm not an expert on insectariums either. And the Stavropol residents have a good idea, so I just want to help them.
By the way, about insectariums. Maybe someone knows which of OUR beetles is really suitable as pets? Well, that is, unpretentious (we work the same), and so that they do not die at the end of the summer. And then I tried to prolong the memory of the summer and the expedition-I brought black heifers (Blaps) from the Orenburg region. Local entomologists told me that they live for several years and eat everything. However, by the middle of winter, they had taken a break... weep.gif

06.10.2005 14:44, Tigran Oganesov

Anything can happen. In general, desert blackbirds are one of the most hardy and unpretentious. They've been living with a friend of mine for five years, and I brought them back from Tashkent. I remember a long time lived (and maybe still live) chernotelki, which were sent into space on the station "Mir". They came back and everything is fine. And they eat all kinds of organic matter, plant and animal.

06.10.2005 14:55, Helene

Anything can happen. In general, desert blackbirds are one of the most hardy and unpretentious. They've been living with a friend of mine for five years, and I brought them back from Tashkent. I remember a long time lived (and maybe still live) chernotelki, which were sent into space on the station "Mir". They came back and everything is fine. And they eat all kinds of organic matter, plant and animal.

Or maybe only some of the Blaps species are perennials? Or were some conditions violated after all? For example, insufficient illumination?

06.10.2005 16:29, Tigran Oganesov

Here is this perishing I not know what have you conditions were smile.gifYes and beetles, of course, different happen.
BTW, on the site update, there is an announcement of the exhibition appeared.

07.10.2005 14:48, Helene

I kept my black-bodied chicks in a 50-liter aquarium (essno, without waterwink.gif), the substrate is small pebbles. I fed them white bread and seasonal fruit vegetables (cucumbers, apples, zucchini, raw potatoes...). And most of all, we loved watermelon crusts - we ran from all corners of the aquarium! smile.gif But highlighted-yes, a little... In the evening only, with an ordinary electric lamp.
In general, after remembering and analyzing it, I thought: what if they asked me for winter quarters? Before they died, they became sluggish, potato slices were not so much eaten as tried to hide under them. It looks like that in principle... I wonder if it is possible to keep them active in winter with a strong backlight?
Next year, perhaps, I will once again bring chernotelok and try the lighting. And part-I'll put it in the refrigerator, let them winter smile.gif

07.10.2005 17:28, Tigran Oganesov

Very likely. A friend of mine has them living in a bank under his desk without much supervision or light bulbs. Everything depends on beetles IMHO.

02.11.2005 19:28, Potekhin

If we return to exotic beetles, centipedes and other animals of the exhibition format, then no one has complained about the goods of the Donetsk mini-zoo yet. And on the owners-too. I highly recommend it http://www.minizoo.donetsk.ua/
And the site is quite informative, and additional information will never be denied.
D. Belkin also has an interesting assortment . http://www.zooshop-belkin.narod.ru/
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05.01.2006 19:11, DOCK

I can offer beautiful cockroaches-Amazonian archimandrites (up to 7 cm), there is something from beetles, from bright you can advise "orangemen".

05.01.2006 21:47, Bad Den

And how do you plan to ship live material from Ukraine to Russia?

13.02.2006 11:24, ма

http://www.zin.ru/animalia/coleoptera/rus/zin_zoo.htm

13.02.2006 11:25, гость: м

take a look at the link, this is the Zoological Institute in St. Petersburg
http://www.zin.ru/animalia/coleoptera/rus/zin_zoo.htm

Good luck, Maxim, udalov-m@yandex.ru

PS.there will be an experience of communication with them (positive) - share smile.gif

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