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t00m, 19.02.2009 21:04

hello evrivan) I have a question about the group indicated in the title. these animals are not very popular among collectors and breeders, but they are very sweet to my heart. I know of only 4 types listed on the site Leps.it. These are Lemonia taraxaci, Lemonia dumi, Lemonia balcanica and Lemonia philopalus, I know about their breeding from Friedrich's book, which says only about dumi, and is characterized by the words "veri difikalt" at the moment I feed them with purchased salad grown on hydroponics, everyone lived to the 3rd age, but what will happen next - unknown. maybe someone knows something about this group, or will provide a more complete list of species, or will sell me dried grass, except for taraxaki and dumi. and maybe someone even bred them and will be able to share their precious experience!!!!!! In this case, there will be no limit to my gratitude.
Thank you in advance!
With best wishes. Tumanov Denis.

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19.02.2009 21:13, AntSkr

Dry ones are the easiest to buy in Europe.
Of the species, there are still Lemonia pia (I don't remember where it flies, in my opinion Uzbekistan, but I may be wrong), Lemonia sardanapallus (Central Asia), L. ballioni, L. peilei (these species also fly in the Caucasus)

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19.02.2009 21:17, t00m

thank you, but what about the photos?!

19.02.2009 21:25, AntSkr

With photos, it is more difficult to buy butterflies at fairs in Europe, or collect them yourself (the family is practically West Palaearctic with a few exceptions, although Africa has its own subfamily), or look at museums...

19.02.2009 21:31, t00m

Well, I found a lot of names in Google right now. Turkey mostly and their ilk. one gets the impression that these species exist only on paper. No information at all.(((

07.10.2009 1:00, Alex D

Hello, Denis.How did your experiments on L. dumi breeding end? We have one person who managed to breed them in captivity,but as you wrote, this is a very difficult process-pupae need natural conditions in late autumn, which is difficult to create in captivity.Without these conditions, butterflies simply do not open their wings...I attach a photo of the output material, and eventually I will post a photo of L. sardanapalus from Central Asia,flying there in January (!!!).
Sincerely, Alexander.

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07.10.2009 6:24, okoem

maybe someone knows something about this group

The biology of Lemoniidae of the former USSR is studied by Vadim Zolotukhin from Ulyanovsk. I can give you the coordinates in a personal message.

07.10.2009 7:48, Pavel Morozov

In general, if you are interested in other species, you can scan images from De Freina, plus the Hare has an image of L. sardanapalus

07.02.2018 21:03, vladimirpash

I accidentally came to this outdated page. I consider lemonids to be the most mysterious, cold-resistant group of butterflies. The life span of Lemonia dumi emago is several days in mid-October between light, October frosts. The pupa has to go through something similar to autumn stratification, since the butterfly comes out only after the first autumn frosts, or light frosts. It seems that females lay their eggs on low-level flight. Lemonia sardanapallus flies in the foothills of Central Asia in winter, and in the mountains in autumn. I was fishing in Tajikistan on January 24. Lemonia tancrei (Lisetsky's definition) came across me only once in the loess desert between the Tejen and Murgab rivers in mid-November on a camel's thorn. I've never seen these butterflies in flight. I didn't find any serious information about lemonids, except - http://www.eversmannia.entomology.ru/2011/25-26/50607888.pdf and there are about 24 species with the center of speciation in Asia Minor.

07.02.2018 22:34, Nemov

vladimirpash, I'm not such a fanatical entomologist, but I was lucky enough to come across a rich brood of Lemonia dumi, which was later studied by L. V. Bolshakov.
This butterfly in Central Russia takes off from mid-September, right in the Indian summer. And frosts for departure are not required, at this time they are generally rare. They are not very cold-resistant, because they disappear after the end of the Indian summer and the onset of late cold and rainy autumn.
They fly during the day and are similar to ordinary angloptera or polychromatica, but the flight is more rapid.

08.02.2018 0:29, Andrei Dolgikh

They are not very cold-resistant, because they disappear after the end of the Indian summer and the onset of late cold and rainy autumn.
They fly during the day and are similar to ordinary angloptera or polychromatica, but the flight is more rapid.

In the topic "Reports on trips and expeditions" - the European part of the Russian Federation, in the past year, there were quite a lot of posts on this topic. About the flight - you can't confuse it with anyone, but to catch it.... I used to put a team of my own workers with nets across the corridor. At first, the boys laughed and pinned each other, but then, when even the most agile three in a row missed, fishing turned into a very spectacular sporting event. If our players had such passion and zeal, the whole world would be in deep trouble.

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08.02.2018 11:41, vladimirpash

Well, I understand that the duration of their life regulates the transition of temperatures to constant, negative, round-the-clock temperatures. Or a prolonged lack of solar radiation, which does not allow receiving additional energy from the Sun. And, another interesting point, somewhere in the 90s, I observed a massive outbreak of reproduction of L. dumi. In October, butterflies flew everywhere en masse, even in the city limits, where later I never saw them, which makes me think of reserve generations. After all, lemonid butterflies are very sedentary, although it is possible that in the most favorable years, there are attempts to migrate in order to expand the range.

09.02.2018 22:31, Nemov

vladimirpash, it is precisely the sun exposure that regulates it - after all, butterflies are daytime. They disappear long before the establishment of negative temperatures, but after the establishment of long cloudy weather with low still positive temperatures. But they can't really migrate, because they don't feed, so they won't fly far. There are no reserve generations; this is called "heterogeneity of populations in terms of development time", i.e. uneven development within populations. In unfavorable seasons, some individuals spend a second winter.

13.05.2018 15:42, Евгений88

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15.09.2018 21:28, Andrei Dolgikh

Dumi has anyone already flown?

16.09.2018 22:28, chebur

Dumi has anyone already flown?

I think I saw a couple of copies yesterday in the south of the Moscow region. I really didn't catch it. In flight, they looked like bright mother-of-pearl A. adippe, which very quickly flap their wings. Flying in a straight line, but slightly jerky in the vertical plane. It was only when I left the place that I guessed who it might be, although I knew that L. dumi was known at that point.

16.09.2018 23:06, Andrei Dolgikh

I think I saw a couple of copies yesterday in the south of the Moscow region. I really didn't catch it. In flight, they looked like bright mother-of-pearl A. adippe, which very quickly flap their wings. Flying in a straight line, but slightly jerky in the vertical plane. It was only when I left the place that I guessed who it might be, although I knew that L. dumi was known at that point.

Today I saw something similar, but the point is new for me. To the places checked - almost 50 km and there is no time to go there yet. And here, everything seems to be in place - and the biofuel is suitable, and the time is almost there.

15.10.2018 23:15, chebur

Female Lemonia dumi (Linnaeus, 1758).
October 2, 2016 Moscow region, Chekhov district, okr. pos. Lyubuchany
Butterfly hovered among the tall grass on a small preserved untilled area on the outskirts of the field.
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16.10.2018 21:51, Victor Gazanchidis

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16.10.2018 21:55, Victor Gazanchidis

Lemonia strigata (Rebel 1910) Greece, West Macedonia, nomos Kozani ,Oct 2018

09.08.2019 17:37, Andrei Dolgikh

Can anyone tell us anything about the timing of summer and Lemonia taraxaci biotopes? Please, not from the literature sources - I've already reviewed them-but from my own observations.

10.08.2019 10:36, mikee

Can anyone tell us anything about the timing of summer and Lemonia taraxaci biotopes? Please, not from the literature sources - I've already reviewed them-but from my own observations.

In the Moscow region, sdi13 caught in early August (too lazy to climb the label to look) on a drained peat bog. Now it looks like a field with mixed grasses and deciduous small woodlands.
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24.01.2021 15:21, Andrei Dolgikh

Maybe someone knows-for Lemonia dumi can be a food plant chicory (Cichórium întybus)?

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