Photo #34910: Oenospila kopperi

13.12.2014 17:48, Vasiliy Feoktistov

Alexander, I think about the biology of the form can not be judged only by a single article.

13.12.2014 17:27, Alexandr Zhakov

Basil, what to think, there is an article with the original description, read. Or I did not understand correctly?

13.12.2014 17:17, Vasiliy Feoktistov

But that's not the discussion under the sea, under which the cost. This type is described (if it turns kopperi exactly) in 2001 and I do not think a lot about its biology has been known at the moment :)

13.12.2014 17:03, Alexandr Zhakov

Yuri, you're absolutely right, the preparation of the genitals, only one of the tools of definition. In some cases, it gives a 100% guarantee, in others only confuses the definition, and they need to be able to use, you need to know where and what to look for and what to compare. and not look seems, is unlikely. :))

13.12.2014 13:06, Yuri Semejkin

With regard to precision in cooking. Not everyone believes the definition of the genitals in all cases 100% accurate. There is also al. Point of view. 100% accuracy gives full biology. No wonder they say, when nothing works and there are doubts -Look, or to understand the biology.

13.12.2014 11:59, Irina Nikulina

Basil does not agree) Analysis of the genital apparatus would define beautiful and accurate) information from the literature and comparative analysis, of course, is not superfluous, but the exact answer would give only cooking. So the winner worthy of applause, I can not feel :) Now, if cooked ... which can not (And it would be interesting to learn)

13.12.2014 8:34, Vasiliy Feoktistov

Irina, I'm mentally applaud standing :)
And no genitals were not needed.
Thank you so much :)

12.12.2014 23:32, Alexandr Zhakov Corrected data.

→ Oenospila kopperi.

12.12.2014 23:24, Alexandr Zhakov Corrected data.

Not identified → / Tentatively identified / Irina Nikulina.

12.12.2014 0:10, Irina Nikulina

At least, made some clarity)
That's what I write on Oenospila. The genus of 11 species of Southeast Asia and Australia.On set of 3 signs - white costal margin, the presence of large dark trugolnyh spots in the dorsal edge of the NC and jagged reddish-brown bands on both wings - can be identified for the region 4 near the Asian species - altistrix, microstrix, gemmans, kopperi .Kind of gemmans , I think, can be eliminated, it is clearly timed to you about, Java and Bali (this indication is on mothsofborneo and article, which will be discussed below). Wingspan is given to mothsofborneo: for altistrix 30-34 mm and microstrix - no more than 24mm (this is the smallest species in the genus). In addition, the species altistrix there is some elongation apekalnoy zone and pointed angle and VC http://www.boldsystems.org/index.php/Taxbrowser_Taxonpage?taxid=352568
http: //www.jpmoth.org/~dmoth/Digital_Moths_of_Asia/85_GEOMETROIDEA/04_GEOMETRIDAE/07_Geometrinae/31_Oenospila/Oenospila%20altistrix/Oenospila%20altistrix.htm And obviously discussed photo corners are rounded. It remains an open relatively recently (in 2001) Oenospila kopperi . Recorded on mothsofborneo him no, but he discussed in detail in the article by Hausmann, M.Sommerer «Oenospila kopperi, spec. nov., eine neue grüne Geometride aus Sumatra (Insecta, Lepidoptera, Geometridae, Geometrinae) », 2001, http: // biostor.org / reference / 52698 Specifies a wingspan of 26-29 mm, and the figure in the article shows that the apekalnye angles have just such a curve, as in this photo. But, of course, the most reliable species identification allows the study of male genital apparatus.

10.12.2014 22:01, Vasiliy Feoktistov

Irina, all tomorrow) will be available when the normal Internet, ruler and butterfly. I hope that this will really help)))

10.12.2014 21:00, Irina Nikulina

It is very knowledge would help wingspan. Basil, please specify)

18.11.2014 17:54, Peter Khramov Corrected data.

Oenospila altistrix / Tentatively identified / Vasiliy Feoktistov → Not identified.

18.11.2014 17:04, Vasiliy Feoktistov

CONCLUSIONS

18.11.2014 16:30, Peter Khramov

So what to do?

14.11.2014 21:20, Vasiliy Feoktistov

Yes, though, would be our Amphipoea sp. In my opinion the best option :) In Amphipoea sp. it is necessary to withdraw all without exception.

14.11.2014 21:17, Alexandr Zhakov

the rest of the genital act so well? Here is full of them.
All species that have two or more possible answers, and not how it shows the advantage of one of them, are not certain. That's just the problem, it is necessary to know these options, and then Vasily wrong. I would like to see all the official theme: here is full of them :)

14.11.2014 20:42, Peter Khramov

In what?

14.11.2014 18:11, Alexandr Zhakov

I agree with Vasily. :)

14.11.2014 17:35, Peter Khramov

I join the call of Demetrius.

14.11.2014 9:32, Dmitriy Pozhogin

Basil! Learn to cook. All the same it is necessary. And the most interesting fact get to the bottom. Will upload photos drugs. So boil !!! A copy of this does not spoil! The drug in microtubes pin up the pin. So even "scientific" looks

14.11.2014 9:28, Vasiliy Feoktistov

Alexander, and the others can do the genital same? Here is full of them.

14.11.2014 9:13, Alexandr Zhakov

In uncertain. Only race.

14.11.2014 6:18, Vasiliy Feoktistov

Options considered and inaccurate to suggest to leave it where it is, right from the start. Geography with mothsofborneo must believe very carefully. Here copies. approx. from the same as my: http://www.boldsystems.org/index.php/Taxbrowser_Taxonpage?taxid=352568

10.11.2014 0:43, Vasiliy Feoktistov

Peter, in imprecise it is already from the moment of the download :)
The question arose what species it is now better to put (back to inaccurate). There were options for them and I have not yet considered. I give my opinion later. And up to this point it's nothing to do.

09.11.2014 23:33, Peter Khramov

So what, in the inaccurate?

08.11.2014 13:28, Vasiliy Feoktistov

Alexander, the foundation here notorious habit. On this basis, there are put in inaccurate picture of nature. Of course I will discuss your options tomorrow. But on the cooking can not be considered. This will mean the loss of a single specimen. (There would be a lot ....

08.11.2014 12:25, Alexandr Zhakov

I would like the base were announced. I'm sure they are, but I do not think you can specify them. :)) The simplest option to cook. Images of all three species there. :)

08.11.2014 11:15, Vasiliy Feoktistov

Alexander, I think for the production in the base are inaccurate here :) Now I have at the hands of a few hundred of these mysteries. I'll put them slowly and I hope to help in the definition. And the site need photos of species that are often on it, and not at all.

08.11.2014 0:11, Alexandr Zhakov

Costal margin white, it is limited to the three listed species, taking into account the lack of literature for Oenospila altistrix distribution outside Borneo, you said Basil. I just showed you the options that you do not see what would change your opinion.I understand a complex issue, but it is impossible to grasp at first got a similar kind :))
Without editor butterfly looks much better. :))

07.11.2014 20:53, Vasiliy Feoktistov

Temporarily changed the photo on the source (any edition only crop). If it helps to clarify definitively with her question.

07.11.2014 19:08, Vasiliy Feoktistov

Alexander, he (costal margin) is white and fairly wide. There, just need to remove the black background of my camera. Everything is going, but do not reach the hands (

07.11.2014 18:46, Alexandr Zhakov

Basil, I cite two more variants of Malaysia (Oenospila altistrix, lives there too):
Oenospila kopperi http://biostor.org/reference/52698 (here an article with the original description)
Oenospila microstrix http://www.mothsofborneo.com/part-9/geometrini/geometrini_31_2.php (original description)
White costal margin of wing, eaten Photo Editor, which gives the right to think about something else :))

07.11.2014 18:19, Vasiliy Feoktistov

I did not dare to put into precise: in spreading everywhere indicated only Borneo and copies. not to Borneo.
Nevertheless, it is in my opinion it is not and option I saw.