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Приглашаю участвовать в петиции "Ужесточить наказание за браконьерство"

Community and Forum → Talks beyond Insects topics → Приглашаю участвовать в петиции "Ужесточить наказание за браконьерство"

Eugene Davkaev, 06.01.2016 5:40

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Comments

06.01.2016 12:27, Peter Khramov

Citizens discuss-let. Interestingly your opinion on this matter.

06.01.2016 12:52, Shamil Murtazin

Initially always distanced itself from such "populist-looking" petitions.
Because omit the question of how effective such a measure as a public mass conversion. Immediately proceed directly to the text.Just write "Krupnyakov" what caught my eyes:
- 50 years in prison - that is a lot, even in the Criminal Code (can that not so, correct if that) no more than 35 ... or life.
- Poaching is different! Then the tiger, and then a roach with boats in spawning ...
- "It is necessary to strengthen the protection of nature reserves," and how to do it - there are no offers.The proposal is not even a problem: from whom to protect what kind of PAs to protect. Because the PA have a lot of ... not so many resources.
- At the rangers and foresters already have the right to detain offenders. Only now are many legal holes, plus the guns have poachers.
etc.
I apologize for taking the time to read my commentary =)

06.01.2016 13:21, Evgeny Komarov

In my opinion, these "mass appeal" simply do not work, and secondly, all the tougher regime in our reserves run it on the "small fry" - it's easier and safer, and to report on the "adherence" is easy. Therefore, to a large extent I agree with Shamil.And repeatedly stated - not brutality, and the certainty of punishment should be. But the resources for such guard at nature reserves simply do not have, and who are in the protection, still a big question. I do not want bad things about all the huntsman, but ...

11.01.2016 16:56, Eugene Davkaev

If everybody will be silent, nothing will change.
And, of course, you can come up with a thousand excuses and reasons.

11.01.2016 20:50, Peter Khramov

One may need to scream much louder in the effect that the authorities do anything at all or drew attention to this problem at all. On the other hand, if the requirements are very unadequate, then the concern would be relevant. Any opinions?

12.01.2016 7:48, Shamil Murtazin

This is a very big question - the interaction with the authorities. Eugene, do not accept, please, all our words over personally. The arguments are correct, the motivation is not to be condemned. But I very much doubt the effectiveness of such measures.
Judging by the situation of public utilities, and I "entertain" them have probably 5 years.I think that such actions are correct to begin with a review of the situation in their region. It's close, it is easier (especially if you live in the "capital" of the region). Usually, things are moving in three cases: your thoughts are shared by some deputy or group of deputies of Zack.Meeting the region, your thoughts are shared by a large part of the population of the region, clean your suggestions / level out differences with the federal legislation. 4th added to the investment appeal, but do not think that in this case it will work.Far I urge you not to pursue the matter, just be prepared that your efforts will not be justified. Until zero result.

14.01.2016 11:48, Eugene Davkaev

Shamil, and can operate on a regional and national scale, of course, but there are problems of poaching across the country (here's an example: https://planeta.ru/campaigns/eger_help and another selection on the page for the link), and fight poachers need throughout the country, but not limited to their area.Supporting such a petition, I do not think about what would happen tomorrow, I am acting in accordance with its capabilities TODAY.

14.01.2016 12:22, Shamil Murtazin

Eugene, then I suggest you in your region go on the hunt. Ask how to hunt and how to put it actually happens, talk to the same rangers. If you deal with the issue, it seems to me that you need to be inside the situation.

14.01.2016 13:33, Peter Khramov

Shamil, Come. You can deal with issues with varying degrees gimor. Well, what the huntsman? It's like a charity, someone lists a thousand rubles a month, and regulations, as someone volunteering from morning till night. Do not offer the same to everyone somehow touches the question volonterstvovat the full program!

14.01.2016 16:50, Shamil Murtazin

Yes, because it is complacency. How to buy bracelets McDuck (sorry for the analogy).
A huntsman, what? You go to any private reserve and they will find you, especially in the winter on the track =)))

14.01.2016 18:15, Peter Khramov

Hmm. And why are you sure you are not part of the bracelet with money does not go as intended? ..

14.01.2016 19:50, Shamil Murtazin

Not sure. And you're not sure, and even an employee of the McDuck not sure. A question was originally to tighten legislation to combat poaching. What impact this will have - the author of the petition, according to the text, little understood.I do not fully understand the implications of all of this, because even though doing something similar or indirectly know the stories with the same rangers about the situation, but in the legislative field is not guided, the more I do not know the subtleties. In a bid to try to figure out - answer a proposal "to sacrifice a thousand."Then why bother to propose such initiatives? Without knowing the private - to try to reach a common ... Yes, it can get. Direction of travel is correct, way of realization for me is uncertain.

15.01.2016 0:02, Peter Khramov

Shamil, I mean, there are a lot of people who talk to the rangers will not, and then make a thread in the little things do not mind. And it's quite a fine.

15.01.2016 20:58, Alex Dumchus

With reference to our site - to confiscate nets :) I was a couple of years ago in Sri Lanka, and heard a story that a German collector, put on a year (there- in their prisons !!!) for catching a few troidesov. For wild ornithopter, too, they say, in Indonesia can be in prison to please.As we begin a campaign of kinks to be (((as in kollektiviztsii s / h 20s .... God forbid. For swallowtail on the bench ...

15.01.2016 22:39, Peter Khramov

I'm for the confiscation of nets too. The more confiscated, the more need to buy again. A confiscated to do something with the same ought to be. In general, arrange cycling nets among the people.

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