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Oedipoda coerulescens

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PVOzerski, 29.07.2006 15:06

I've been riding in the Ostrovsky district since I was very young - I was lucky enough to meet sabzh only this year (several individuals). So far, the species has been reported only from the extreme southwest of the region (Sebezhsky district), so this finding pushes the range far (150-200 km) to the north. By the way, is acoustic communication known for this type? Mine are silent. the image is no longer on the site: p1090957.jpg I enclose a photo taken by my friends already in St. Petersburg, but the individual was caught by me in the Pskov region.

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29.07.2006 19:45, andr_mih

Somewhere I heard that it was found almost beyond the Arctic Circle (Arkhangelsk ? obl or Karelia) - if I remember , I'll write it down. In the Leningrad region, it seems to be along with the hermit, but they could be confused. They sing very softly, the male, having flown up to the female, will knock his paws - and that's all. Personally, I could only hear it in the cage, putting my ear to it. Sphingonotus makes it much louder.

01.08.2006 16:05, Dracus

10.10.2006 20:13, andr_mih

Search the Internet for "Lebyazhka Beach "(a place of rest for nudists and blue-wings). I haven't been there myself, I'm afraid of them (especially active smile.gifones , so I only watch Stupinskaya and Serpukhovskaya...
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30.10.2006 17:44, andr_mih

to PVOzerski

In Podgornaya's article " Orthoptera of Leningrad Province "(published in Acta Zool. Fennica) is written about the occurrence of Oedipoda coerulescens and Chorthippus mollis on the Karelian Isthmus.

31.10.2006 2:08, PVOzerski

Duc after all, until you touch it yourself-I can't believe it. I heard about the findings of the "blue-winged form" of someone in Karelian about 20 years ago from A. K. Brodsky - but you can also confuse it with the same hermit. Of course, Podgornaya is still a specialist, but nevertheless... I once read this article, but long before my discovery and read only that at that time it was relevant to clarify the areas of what got on the site of "Voices of Animals" (so what about Oedipoda missed frown.gif). By the way, the lack of specificity of specifying many areas (like "The Whole Leningrad region") was very upsetting at that time. As for Ch. mollis, until I hear his voice, I won't believe it. Until then, I'd rather believe the diagnostic signs are bad. Or he chooses some particularly specific stations. Because I heard Mollis - in Kishinev, I remember the signal by ear well, and I didn't hear anything like that in the North-West (which, of course, doesn't mean that no one smile.gifwill ).

31.10.2006 19:10, andr_mih

Well, yes, areas are a bit vague - but we know their specific stationssmile.gif, so we need to look for them. For example, this desert: of course, it is anthropogenic, but maybe we have already flown there?
http://www.solovki.info/?action=archive&id=184
Yes, and in the article that almost exact indications of the place of fees were given - see it again.

01.11.2006 3:51, PVOzerski

As for Solovki, it's quite far to the north. In addition to the external similarity of stations, there is, if not Bey's principle of changing them (which, as I understand it, turned out not to work so well), then at least the difference in SET - and this is serious. My good friends-schoolchildren from Lamb-at one time regularly went to Solovki - although they were engaged in marine fauna there. We'll have to ask them to help us find an orthopter on the shores of the White Sea. My modest experience (a couple of fees on student practice) more than 20 years ago tells me about 2 species-Podismopsis poppiusi and Tetrix bipunctata + questionable (other people's fees, M. B. label mixed up) Metrioptera brachyptera.
PS. If you have an article by Podgornaya at hand, please do not take the trouble to reproduce the geography for Oe. coerulescens. It's just that I can't get to ZIN because I'm so busy, and I don't even know if the library has reopened after the renovation.

01.11.2006 20:23, andr_mih

This is not Solovki, but the Kandalaksha Bay. So what-far north? It's no secret that all of them live not in a climate, but in a microclimate. Ognevka in the mountains of the Western Caucasus rises above the subalpine, and this year the "steppe" Poecilimon scyticus rose above ognevka! The bluefly reached Irkutsk via anthropogenic stations (M. G. Sergeev). Please explain what SET is, but I don't understand it. And then there is the keyword: "other people's fees". I think an orthopter specialist would have caught more students there as well. Before you ask students, you need to show them all, or at least give them someone to listen to. The Podgornaya article is not at hand, if necessary, I can scan these 3 pages one of these days and send them to e-mail.

02.11.2006 1:47, PVOzerski

The SET is, of course, the sum of the effective temperatures. As for the students-at that time, more than 20 years ago, I was one myself, but I honestly caught everything that was found in the territories that were available to me during summer practice. I came across the two above-mentioned views and that was all, but I was only able to see the Sredny Island in the Chupinskaya Bay and the meadow at the mouth of the Keret River nearby. And to show the students the same podismopsis, I would have to go to the White Sea myself. I probably wouldn't mind if I had the time and money to do it.

02.11.2006 1:59, PVOzerski

Regarding scan - thank you for the suggestion, but I'm kind of ashamed... Of course, there are interesting points for me: Conocephalus dorsalis, Pholidoptera griseoaptera, Barbitistes constrictus. But, on the other hand, the field is still far away, and I'm not planning any faunal surveys right now. So I guess I'll wait for the library to open quietly smile.gif

02.11.2006 20:49, andr_mih

About SET is clear, but apparently they somehow gain it (in the sun, near the surface of the soil, hiding from the wind) As I understand it, the principle of changing stations implies this (well, it's easier to dial it on the sand).

Conocephalus dorsalis: only on Bolshoy Berezovy Island (Koivisto) in grass near a bog and a small lake.
Montana montana: only from southern part (Luga) - is there really one?
Barbitistes - not listed.
Pholidoptera griseoaptera: only specimens on Bolshoy Berezovy Island.
Gryllus campestris: reported by Zoubovsky (1897 ) - not seen, not read; and Miram (1925) - full of bullshit here.
Gomphocerus rufus - without specifying places (is there one?)
Chorthippus mollis: in Istmus Karelicus, Kivenappa (Albrecht 1979; in the ZooMuseum, Helsinki)
Oedipoda coerulescens - in Istmus Karelicus, 5 km WSW of Privetninskoe

And here is where you can show students Podizmopsis quickly and for free smile.gif
http://www.acrida.ru/photo/ACRIDIDAE/ACRID...NI/index_4.html

03.11.2006 7:02, PVOzerski

Conocephalus dorsalis-the information is the same, the source is the same
Montana montana-is given to the Worlds with reference to the definition of Zubovsky-miracles, but you have to believe. Meadows, again...
Barbitistes constrictus - A. Bibilov's fees in the Luzhsky district, his own oral instruction for the vicinity of Kolpin, my fees in the Okulovsky and Borovichi districts of Novgorod region.
Pholidoptera griseoaptera-collections of A. Bibilov in the Luzhsky district.
Gryllus campestris-a clear misunderstanding
Gomphocerus rufus - I never came across (but I didn't collect anything in the Luzhsky district myself)
Chorthippus mollis-I haven't heard the song yet, so I'm very careful about the instructions.

25.01.2007 14:38, Guest

Hi! No one knows if there were any other articles on orthopteroids in Karelia, especially in the White Sea region?

25.01.2007 14:44, acridakar

I'm currently working on the fauna of the Far East (Amur region). Yesterday, while looking through the report of the Pryamoptera of Russia, I found a strange thing there: there are not enough ordinary cosmopolitan species! Apparently, the lack of sources affected. Storozhenko it's not over yet...

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