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Raptor, 07.05.2011 23:09

There are a lot of questions for specialists,so I decided to open the topic.where and how to find certain types of insects in the natural environment, especially their larvae and pupae.I think it would be good to know more precisely on which tree to look for Lucanus cervus standing in the middle of an oak grove. rolleyes.gif

This post was edited by Raptor-07.05.2011 23: 28

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07.05.2011 23:11, Raptor

Who will share their experience of finding the Cossus cossus caterpillar in nature ? confused.gif

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07.05.2011 23:16, Raptor

Where to find cetonia aurata larvae in the steppe? confused.gif

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07.05.2011 23:33, Raptor

And who found the larva of Prionus coriarius ? confused.gif

08.05.2011 0:39, Pirx

Who will share their experience of finding the Cossus cossus caterpillar in nature ? confused.gif


In the south-east of Ukraine - in willows, elms, they are often sawn.

08.05.2011 1:51, Raptor

In the south-east of Ukraine - in willows, elms, they are often sawn.

Is the caterpillar in the wood,or under the bark? Closer to the rhizomes?

08.05.2011 6:06, Konung

adult cossus caterpillars often crawl on the ground in July and early August before pupating. Trees where there are caterpillars are detected by the characteristic smell...

08.05.2011 8:27, Hierophis

I found the pupae of kossus, about the specific smell - something not very observed, maybe because I do not use smile.gifit, But I did not notice a special smell of "alcohol" or something similar from the tree.

08.05.2011 8:31, СергейС.С

I found the pupae of kossus, about the specific smell - something not very observed, maybe because I do not use smile.gifit, But I did not notice a special smell of "alcohol" or something similar from the tree.

It is better to search in late August, of course.Through thickets of willows near water bodies.Not often, but lucky, though you have to sit and wait for a long time.My friends brought it to me from the beach.Then we lived in a jar, and we ate a well-cut apple.

08.05.2011 8:46, Raptor

At the expense of the smell,I honestly doubt it too shuffle.gif

08.05.2011 9:24, Raptor

I mean, wait for an adult to appear in search of a place to pupate? or do they just creep out into the light of day sometimes?

08.05.2011 12:04, Pirx

Is the caterpillar in the wood,or under the bark? Closer to the rhizomes?


In wood, in komle.

08.05.2011 12:05, Pirx

adult cossus caterpillars often crawl on the ground in July and early August before pupating. Trees where there are caterpillars are detected by a characteristic smell...


I've seen crawlers, too, yes. The smell is there, smelly, and drips from the exit hole of the course.

08.05.2011 12:10, Pirx

I found the pupae of kossus, about the specific smell - something not very observed, maybe because I do not use smile.gifit, But I did not notice a special smell of "alcohol" or something similar from the tree.


Smelling drips and the contents of the course, and not alcohol and so-called. wood vinegar. The latter, of original (artificial) origin, I did not have to sniff, but they write that it is them. Often drips can be found on elms and poplars, such as black, balsamic etc.
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08.05.2011 14:34, Hierophis

Well, yes, there is some smell from the holes, if you put your nose right there :0 But since for some reason I got the impression from the school atlas of insects that it should smell strong and be felt far away, I did not observe this. The pupa itself, or rather the cocoon, also smells like this smell. And I only found passages and pupae on weeping willows, but I never saw a caterpillar at all, but I would like to.

Raptor, do you have willows and even a tree in the vicinity, or is it just a steppe?
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08.05.2011 19:45, Raptor

Well, no, everything is bad smile.gifThere are enough willow trees along the banks, and there are lots of moves there, I met adult insects in the light, an adult caterpillar was once brought by children, I admit the beast is big smile.gif,I didn't sniff much,but there is definitely no bright smell.just very curious to find it yourself, pick it out...so to speak satisfy the hunting instinctsmile.gif

08.05.2011 19:52, Raptor

In wood, in a lump.

In komle-? confused.gifwhat is this?I just donshuffle.gif't know

08.05.2011 20:03, Raptor

What about Tanner's larvae and bronzes? The last ones I found alone in an old grass bed at a depth of half a meter in an abandoned groundhog hole. And once I watched a bronze fly out of such a hole.
Maybe someone has questions too? I'm certainly not a specialist,but I have some experience

08.05.2011 20:28, Igor1962

what about tanner's larvae : then in oak forests and just deciduous forests in rotten stumps and in the soil near the stumps, golden bronzes in the soil near the litter that is, under stones, pieces of wood with stumps turned out, etc.
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08.05.2011 20:30, Igor1962

komel is the extended part of the trunk

08.05.2011 20:31, Igor1962

and that there is a deer beetle in Kazakhstan ?

08.05.2011 21:31, okoem

so I decided to open a topic.where and how to find certain types of insects in the natural environment, especially their larvae and pupae. I think it would be good to know more precisely on which tree to look for Lucanus cervus standing in the middle of an oak grove. rolleyes.gif

So there is already almost such a topic - http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=52&t=455912 smile.gif
And the search for Lucanus cervus topic is there. smile.gif
But you don't need to look for Lucanus cervus - they fly themselves at dusk - just have time to catch it. smile.gif

09.05.2011 6:11, Konung

09.05.2011 10:46, Hierophis

so it is - in calm weather, the smell can be felt 5 meters from the tree! And the smell is very obvious.


Well, I don't know, but there is no such thing here, maybe this is typical for more northern regions?

09.05.2011 19:51, Raptor

and that there is a deer beetle in Kazakhstan ?


I'm sorry if I misled you,but I was the one who said that about the stag beetle, for example.to make it clearer why I raised this topic.Of course, we don't have any oak forests. wink.gif

09.05.2011 23:07, Aaata

what about tanner's larvae : then in oak forests and simply deciduous forests in rotten stumps and in the soil near the stumps, golden bronzes in the soil near the litter, that is, under stones, pieces of wood turned out by stumps, etc.

P. coriarius does not disdain conifers, especially pine.

11.05.2011 7:51, Raptor

Where I have repeatedly caught a tanner the biggest tree is honeysuckle bushes the rest is steppe.So on rotten roots to look for?: confused.gif

11.05.2011 7:59, Raptor

And who can advise you on how to find the hawk moth caterpillar Pergesa porcellus if it feeds at night?

11.05.2011 17:12, Liparus

How to find a bumblebee nest?
PS. there should be Velleius dilatatus.

11.05.2011 17:41, Hierophis

Why a bumblebee nest? Anyway, it's too early to look for a bumblebee nest smile.gif

11.05.2011 19:35, Evgenich

And who can advise you on how to find the hawk moth caterpillar Pergesa porcellus if it feeds at night?

Very simple! Look for it in the afternoon on Willow-tea during its flowering. It is most effective to search along roads. They are very clearly visible. The caterpillars come in two colors: black and green. smile.gif
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11.05.2011 20:02, Raptor

So she feeds during the day?
And I think the bumblebee nest should be found in abandoned rodent burrows, crevices among stones, rhizomes of rotten stumps and similar places, depending on the area and in certain cases on the type of bumblebee. You should probably just follow the path from the food plant to the nest.
Aborigines find nests of bees by marking one of them with a bundle of cobwebs (to make it more visible), then just follow the trail.I think an interesting option! yes.gif

11.05.2011 20:15, Evgenich

So she feeds during the day?

During the day, they usually sit on the stem, but you can see them very well.

11.05.2011 20:54, Igor1962

that the larva of the barbel tanner in rotten stumps, it is too bent found them several times always in the soil in a deciduous forest well, the stumps were near final
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11.05.2011 20:56, AGG

How to find a bumblebee nest?
PS.there should be Velleius dilatatus.

now is just the time!!! time to look for bumblebee nests. follow the bumblebee, and now (=spring) only female founders fly. they're as big as elephants, even with binoculars. where it sits on the ground (and then goes underground) - there is a nest! we mark this place with a stick/cloth/pebble, but not too close to the nest (after all, you already know where it is, and extra objects can knock the bumblebee off course). and so a few pieces. and then, when the colony grows, inquilins and other kleptoparasites will settle there - here they are warm and for the gills smile.gif
good luck beer.gif
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11.05.2011 23:56, AGG

ROE deer I have in the middle of the city lives under the window in the old hawthorns-the smell of the caterpillar-ala-musk. we read the books "populates skeletal branches". along the banks on the willows, the caterpillars often scatter and exuvia stick out of the ground.
KOZHEVNIK-as hardwoods (south of the region) so is the pine tree (center/north)............
AURATA - stumps, anthills.............
DEER-2 days kopaesh cellar, and on the morning of the third find a female there wink.gif))) (from personal)
BRAZHNIKOV collected both flowers. all on ivan-tea. more than 100-none, from a bunch of places. EVERYTHING!!!!!!!! infected people weep.gif weep.gif weep.gif weep.gif
They're making a fool of themselves in the light jump.gif
you can flood for a long time, but only a person who collects in a certain place, a certain type, knows the cherished stump/stone/clearing/blade of grass (according to zhps, you will not find it faster to step) on which he sits in this area/at that height/at that temperature / ect...... they are plastic, however wink.gif

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12.05.2011 1:04, Raptor

Here's an interesting way to catch the right animals in a well-known bumblebee's nest. well, we'll deal with the bumblebees themselves, but is the animal just sitting in someone else's nest and waiting for us to catch it? probably just hiding somewhere nearby? then it makes sense to destroy the nest.
although I'm probably wrong, please correct shuffle.gif

12.05.2011 8:53, Hierophis

Dooo, so you will find the nest, watching the queen of the bumblebee, it does not fly in a straight line, no higher than 2m from the ground and with the included dimensions))) It is very difficult to track down where it flies, I have found more than one hundred nests, and only a few-by tracking bumblebees, but I followed working bumblebees, and then, not every type of bumblebee can be tracked, there are some that have a very small foraging radius, up to 500 meters, so you can track it down with a single attempt, and in such bumblebees as garden, ground, which have a large foraging radius-a wigwam. These bumblebees soar up and that's it.

So finding a bumblebee nest - more observation of the surface in a certain sector-a bumblebee flew into a hole-there is a bumblebee nest smile.gifAnd the earlier the more time is needed, in general, the female founders do not fly at all for a certain period of time, almost a month, after building a pollen bowl, they just sit in the nest and wait for offspring.

12.05.2011 9:08, okoem

So she feeds during the day?

During the day, they usually sit on the stem, but you can see them very well.

BRAZHNIKOV collected both flowers. all on ivan-tea. more than 100-none, from a bunch of places. EVERYTHING!!!!!!!! infected people

As far as I understand, infected caterpillars change their behavior, they stop hiding. So, healthy caterpillars should probably be looked for at night.
Evgenich, have your caterpillars been brought to imago?

12.05.2011 13:18, Raptor

Very interesting!And during the day, they hide near the roots in the litter.да?

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