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Sergey Rybalkin, 31.03.2013 17:13

I was a little surprised when reading Wikipedia about the spread of carrion. Here is a quote from Wikipedia on the range of this taxon:

Area

Southern and Central Europe, the Caucasus and Transcaucasia, Turkey, the Middle and Middle East, the temperate zone of Asia to the east, India, Western China, North Africa. In warmer years, the butterfly can migrate to the British Isles, Scandinavia and Finland.
The species is widely distributed in the steppes, forest-steppes and semi-deserts of Eastern Europe, in the foothills of the Carpathians and the Caucasus. Individuals found north of 52-54 degrees north latitude are migrants or representatives of temporarily established populations. The northernmost podalirium finds in Eastern Europe are known from the Baltic States and the Ivanovo and Kirov regions of Russia. In the Caspian lowlands and Western Kazakhstan, the species is mainly associated with anthropocenoses. It is completely absent in the subalpine and Alpine zones of the Greater Caucasus Mountains.

Here in the north of Yu.In the Urals (56 degrees north latitude), I regularly (for 10 years) observe a population of scavengers on a mountain slope, where you can easily catch up to 10 specimens. in the day.

Someone may be interested in this information.

Comments

31.03.2013 18:12, AGG

have you tried writing the correct name? or is it a matter of principle?
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31.03.2013 21:42, Wave Storm

Probably the author took the name of the village daliri with the letter "a "from Cornelio's book" School Atlas-identification of butterflies", so it's not his fault.

This post was edited by Wave Storm - 03/31/2013 21: 47

01.04.2013 10:29, Valentinus

Podaliri in the Caucasus lives exclusively in the Alpine mountains at an altitude of 3000-4000 m! Not lower!!! umnik.gif

01.04.2013 11:05, aai-48

We also seem to consider the North Caucasus, the terrain is flat,and podaliriy is found from Yeisk to Taman almost everywhere.

01.04.2013 12:34, А.Й.Элез

Probably the author took the name of the village daliri with the letter "a "from Cornelio's book" School Atlas-identification of butterflies", so it's not his fault.
Or maybe he just thinks the species is a necrobiont, and that's where the name comes from...

01.04.2013 12:37, А.Й.Элез

Podaliri in the Caucasus lives exclusively in the Alpine mountains at an altitude of 3000-4000 m! Not lower!!! umnik.gif
Happy first of April!
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01.04.2013 12:46, vasiliy-feoktistov

Or maybe he just thinks the species is a necrobiont, and that's where the name comes from...

And I can't catch it in any way, although I've seen it fly by smile.gif
Here's what it turns out: we need to look for some dead meat. Maybe on it and wink.gifI'll say

01.04.2013 17:35, aai-48

Happy first of April!

And I fell for it, it's a shame weep.gif
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01.04.2013 20:40, А.Й.Элез

By the way, in the Krasnodar Territory, right up to the Black Sea coast, people (at least those who notice butterflies) call podaliri gusarik.

02.04.2013 8:42, aai-48

By the way, in the Krasnodar Territory, right up to the Black Sea coast, people (at least those who notice butterflies) call podaliri a goose.

And we have matrosikami

02.04.2013 16:01, Wave Storm

I don't know about the dead meat, but they've served it on your head and it can sit on your head. Self-checked.

11.12.2013 23:34, Oldcatcher

Kurgan and Tyumen regions-reaches the mouth of the Tobol River-confluence with the Irtysh. First seen in 1981. Currently-normal.

12.12.2013 14:34, vasiliy-feoktistov

By the way: why is it "P A daliri"? It doesn't seem to have anything to do with carrion wink.gif
I observed Iphiclides podalirius in this (2013) year in the Petushinsky district of the Vladimir region on a blooming clover (I even caught it, but I missed it right out of the net). In 2012, he observed in the village of Beloomut in the Moscow region (May 16) and directly in the city of Zheleznodorozhny, which is located 10 kilometers from the Moscow Ring Road (May 26). The species has indeed moved north and apparently for a long time confused.gif
These are personal observations and may be useful to someone.

This post was edited by vasiliy-feoktistov - 12.12.2013 14: 35

12.12.2013 18:54, Wave Storm

Here, in the Kherson region, Podaliriy starts flying in the second half of April. But personally, I don't see him often at this time. In June-the peak, there are 8 pieces in one large flower bed. Then from the second half of July and somewhere until the middle of August.

18.12.2013 22:00, TEMPUS

This year caught podaliriya in the Yuzhsky district of the Ivanovo region (May 29). The northernmost part of the range of this species.

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18.12.2013 22:34, niyaz

This year caught podaliriya in the Yuzhsky district of the Ivanovo region (May 29). The northernmost part of the range of this species.

Imho, there are finds more to the north. Surroundings of Kirov, Kirov region, Ust-Kubinsky district, Vologda region, for example.

This post was edited by niyaz - 12/18/2013 22: 46

18.12.2013 23:25, Andrey Bezborodkin

Imho, there are finds more to the north. Surroundings of Kirov, Kirov region, Ust-Kubinsky district, Vologda region, for example.

That way you'll probably get to St. Petersburg jump.gif

19.12.2013 5:24, TEMPUS

Imho, there are finds more to the north. Surroundings of Kirov, Kirov region, Ust-Kubinsky district, Vologda region, for example.

By the expression "northernmost of the range", I meant the northernmost place where the podaliri would meet constantly, every year (and not as a migrant). In the vicinity of the city of Kirov, Kirov region, Ust-Kubinsky district, Vologda region, there are apparently isolated migrating individuals. While in the Yuzhsky district of the Ivanovo region, the podaliri is caught almost annually, and it seems that it is not a migrant there, but there is a stable population.

19.12.2013 21:41, niyaz

In the vicinity of the city of Kirov, Kirov region, Ust-Kubinsky district, Vologda region, there are apparently isolated migrating individuals. While in the Yuzhsky district of the Ivanovo region, the podaliri is caught almost annually, and it seems that it is not a migrant there, but there is a stable population.

No, in the Kirov region, the application was also not a migrant. For example, this photo. http://macroid.ru/showphoto.php?photo=93998 it doesn't look like he came from far away.

19.12.2013 22:34, TEMPUS

No, in the Kirov region, the application was also not a migrant.
http://macroid.ru/showphoto.php?photo=93998

Maybe. But doubts remain. Is there any information that podaliriya is found at this point regularly (every year), or is the butterfly in the photo a single find?

19.12.2013 22:46, Sergey Rybalkin

We have a stable population in the north of the Chelyabinsk region, which I have observed for many years. A day on one slope of the mountain, and its top collected 10 pcs. in the day. Coordinates 56grad 05min n. But very locally, on neighboring slopes, too, comes across, but only sporadically, probably affects the fact that almost the entire slope of this mountain is overgrown with wild cherries, on which caterpillars apparently feed.

19.12.2013 22:49, okoem

Is there any information about what applicants find at this point on a regular basis?

If they are found regularly, they may be a regular migrant. In order to prove that the population is local and stable, regular finds of overwintered pupae are necessary.
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19.12.2013 23:09, niyaz

Maybe. But doubts remain. Is there any information that podaliriya is found at this point regularly (every year), or is the butterfly in the photo a single find?


You should ask the authors of the image for this information.

If they are found regularly, they may be a regular migrant. In order to prove that the population is local and stable, regular finds of overwintered pupae are necessary.


And how can podaliriy can regularly fly to the Chelyabinsk region? Finding podaliriya pupae, if you are not in the Crimea, is not the easiest task.

19.12.2013 23:34, niyaz

And there is also such a concept as "temporarily rooting migrant". That is, in the Ivanovo region, podalirium can occur annually, and even a pupa can be found. But not until an abnormally cold winter arrives and the entire population freezes out until the next migration. For example, in the north of the Vysokogorsky district of Tatarstan, back in 1991, I caught a podaliriya, Since then I haven't seen it for about 20 years, although I haven't done much searching. And in recent years, it has become common, and constantly flashes in the forest. Perhaps the abnormally hot summer of 2010 played a role.

This post was edited by niyaz - 12/19/2013 23: 35
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20.12.2013 7:38, okoem

And how can podaliriy can regularly fly to the Chelyabinsk region?

From the nearest permanent habitat.

20.12.2013 20:16, Sergey Rybalkin

Yes, there is nothing to check, perfectly fresh ones appear when only snow has melted in the forest in May, along with swallowtails. It is the nulls that have just emerged from the pupae. In a few days, half of them are already without tails. I don't even have a milligram of doubt that podalirii winters here.

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