Identification of Hymenoptera (wasps, bees, ants)

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20.09.2012 20:17, nikittokkk

And a whole series of pimplins from the Ephialtini tribe

Maybe you shouldn't guess on coffee grounds? Ichneumonids in general and, especially, ichneumonins are not detected from photos! With very few exceptions, and then, as a rule, you need a whole series of photos from different angles with the image of the necessary signs used in diagnostics. This has been written more than once, but the guessing game continues
By the way, bumblebees, with their color variability, are mostly determined from photos - a rather thankless task.

to comprachicos
I wonder what the beast is sitting on, and who did it find there to lay eggs?

To nikittokk
riders are quite difficult to shoot live in nature, and in order to get decent photos with the right depth of field, you need a lot of patience in addition to luck. The interest in them is commendable, but the photos are still not good enough for identification. It is often necessary to see the first segment of the metasome (abdomen) and the venation of the wings, and at rest they are most often folded so that the veins are not visible.
In photo 2, apparently, a braconid, the rest are ichneumonids from different subfamilies:
1, 3, 4=9?, 5 - Ichneumoninae; 6, 8 - Banchinae, 7 -?Ctenopelmatinae

Thank you very much! Subfamily is also good!

21.09.2012 11:04, comprachicos

And a whole series of pimplins from the Ephialtini tribe

Maybe you shouldn't guess on coffee grounds? Ichneumonids in general and, especially, ichneumonins are not detected from photos! With very few exceptions, and then, as a rule, you need a whole series of photos from different angles with the image of the necessary signs used in diagnostics. This has been written more than once, but the guessing game continues
By the way, bumblebees, with their color variability, are mostly determined from photos - a rather thankless task.

to comprachicos
I wonder what the beast is sitting on, and who did it find there to lay eggs?

To nikittokk
riders are quite difficult to shoot live in nature, and in order to get decent photos with the right depth of field, you need a lot of patience in addition to luck. The interest in them is commendable, but the photos are still not good enough for identification. It is often necessary to see the first segment of the metasome (abdomen) and the venation of the wings, and at rest they are most often folded so that the veins are not visible.
In photo 2, apparently, a braconid, the rest are ichneumonids from different subfamilies:
1, 3, 4=9?, 5 - Ichneumoninae; 6, 8 - Banchinae, 7 -?Ctenopelmatinae

On a children's swing

, but unfortunately he didn't find anyone there and flew away.

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23.09.2012 20:40, аруд

Please note: specialists!
Holes gnawed by hornets may indicate the presence of a nest inside the tree (vygryz. by them)? There are no hollows, only bark detachments in some places.
Anyway, the hornets are drinking water here. juice in three places, there are about 15-20 of them visible. At the same time, the arrival is driven away. butterflies, such as Admiral, Vanessa Black and red, and other "exotics". When I approach the tree at a distance. less than 1 meter, a pair of individuals began to barrage at the level of my eyes, as they say at the distance of the throw. One butterfly (white-gray, with a wingspan of about 10 cm, they literally "knocked down" (it fell to the ground like a stone) under a birch tree, for example. when I tried to photograph it. when approaching about 1.5 m, it flew away.
So, in connection with the above, I have two more questions:
1. How to temporarily neutralize the hornets so that they can safely photograph the arrival. butterflies?
2. What kind of huge butterfly (gray-white coloring) can live in the Bryansk region. in pines.- birch forest (well, with the addition of aspens, oaks, all sorts of shrubs)? I repeat: when it took off, its wings fluttered like a good bird's.
Thank you, Arud

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23.09.2012 21:11, John-ST

Please note: specialists!
Holes gnawed by hornets may indicate the presence of a nest inside the tree (vygryz. by them)? There are no hollows, only bark detachments in some places.
Anyway, the hornets are drinking water here. juice in three places, there are about 15-20 of them visible. At the same time, the arrival is driven away. butterflies, such as Admiral, Vanessa Black and red, and other "exotics". When I approach the tree at a distance. less than 1 meter, a pair of individuals began to barrage at the level of my eyes, as they say at the distance of the throw. One butterfly (white-gray, with a wingspan of about 10 cm, they literally "knocked down" (it fell to the ground like a stone) under a birch tree, for example. when I tried to photograph it. when approaching about 1.5 m, it flew away.
So, in connection with the above, I have two more questions:
1. How to temporarily neutralize the hornets so that they can safely photograph the arrival. butterflies?
2. What kind of huge butterfly (gray-white coloring) can live in the Bryansk region. in pines.- birch forest (well, with the addition of aspens, oaks, all sorts of shrubs)? I repeat: when it took off, its wings fluttered like a good bird's.
Thank you, Arud

1. Apparently, they have a nest in the tree cavity, so you can only neutralize them constantly along with the nest, look for other sap-producing trees and take pictures there, hornets arriving there do not show aggression.
In my practice, it is better to photograph "exotics" in other places, and not on socotechyakh, because there is usually a constant movement.
2. The butterfly is described as similar to the blue ribbon of the order - Catocala fraxini.

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24.09.2012 2:35, John-ST

John-ST! Doumo arigatou gozaimasu !!! (yap.)
I still missed one question.
And in terms of time, which of them wakes up or goes to bed earlier: hornets or butterflies? Again, to solve issues without hornets.
Sincerely, Arud.

Onegai shimasu
Who wakes up earlier I do not know, but I think based on the fact that hornets maintain a relatively constant temperature in the nest, then at night, unlike butterflies, they do not fall into a daze, so they should wake up earlier. I think the hornets are also going to spend the night later, at least I noticed that in the middle of the day on the sap-bearing oaks, butterflies gather quite in large numbers, and by six in the evening they are already isolated, while the activity of hornets by this time does not decrease.
I think it is better to try to shoot butterflies in another place, all polychromatic and anguloptera, you can very often find them on the bright trunks of birch and aspen lit by the sun, peacock's eye, admiral, burdock and mother-of-pearl willingly visit flowers, so there should be no problems.

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