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24.09.2008 21:32, Fornax13

And here, - what kind of zhuzhelichka? - I saw a lot during a storm on a concrete barrier on the beach in Dagomys in the second half of September. The length is approximately 5 mm.
"It's like An Antia in miniature!" smile.gif

It looks like B. (s. str.) quadripustulatum Audinet-Serville, 1821, or indeed something from Neph. In the latter cases, the point series is usually very smoothed out and almost invisible. In quadripustulatum, they are distinct.
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25.09.2008 11:30, Alexandr Rusinov

I think it's 5mm. too much for a quadripustulatum.
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25.09.2008 18:33, AlexEvs

Yes, I think that trying to determine bembia from a photo is generally a dead number. For me, he looks like a Neph, and there who knows...
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25.09.2008 22:20, Fornax13

I think it's 5mm. too much for a quadripustulatum.

Yes, and for the Neph 5 mm - too smile.gifmuch Still, the size for them should be specified more precisely. As it is, his legs are very dark, and that's what confuses me. I don't think there are many dark-legged bambi with this color.
From subg. Nepha for Russia includes:
B. (N.) menetriesi Kol., 1845-with a red sash on the
ndcr. B. (N.) caucasicum Motsch., 1844 and B. (N.) seriatum Motsch., 1844 - without spots at all.
Such chetyrehpyatnistye:
At B. (N.) tetrasemum Chaud., 1846 osn. mustache and legs are light.
B. (N.) illigeri Net., 1914 and B. (N.) glabrum Motsch., 1850 have brownish-yellow tibiae with darkening only at the apex.
B. (N.) tetragrammum Chaud., 1846-the tibiae are almost black, slightly lightened at the base. Here, by the way, as an option confused.gif
Although bambi is not the right group to treat them smile.giflike this, so maybe I was overreacting with this "analysis" smile.gif

This post was edited by Fornax13-25.09.2008 22: 54
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27.09.2008 16:24, Андреас

Bembidion 13. quadriduttatum, 14. quadripustulatum... "I don't understand... "who does he look like?" confused.gif ... - "Dark Forest"... frown.gif

This post was edited by Andreas - 09/27/2008 16: 26

27.09.2008 19:03, Fornax13

Who knows? smile.gif I'd like to see the sculpture on your bug. In Reitter's case, "quadriguttatum" is probably Bembidion (Neph) illigeri Netolitzky 1914 (or as a subspecies: B. (N.) tetragrammus illigeri Netolitzky, 1914) = Bembidion quadriguttatum (Illiger, 1798), since B. quadriguttatum Audinet - Serville, 1821 and B. quadriguttatum (Fabricius, 1775) - Synonyms are Bembidion (s. str.) quadrimaculatum (Linnaeus 1761), and Bembidion (Neph) schmidti subcallosus (Wollaston, 1864) (=B. quadriguttatum Brullé, 1839) does not reach Germany. Tinplate, in general, in bambi with synonymy smile.gif

27.09.2008 19:39, AlexEvs

Yes, Fornax13 is right, in order to say something more accurately, you need to look at the sculpture of elytra. And the best determinant for them is probably Die Kafer Mitteleuropas, Band 2, Adephaga 1. And all the synonymy there corresponds to the catalog of Palearctic beetles. From a more accessible literature - I successfully determined by Isaev.
Although, of course, if this is some kind of Caucasian species, then these determinants will not help. Then, probably, we need the publications of Fritz Netolitsky. Well, or to Belousov right away)))
Andreas, did you collect these beetles? Is it possible to take more photos?

This post was edited by AlexEvs - 27.09.2008 20: 29

27.09.2008 19:45, Андреас

- There are men-collected! "I'll take pictures of the corpses!" In addition, I can send copies - no problem. And then this little pot-bellied thing turned me on not in a childish way! - I love small ground beetles from childhood!

27.09.2008 19:56, AlexEvs

- There are men-collected! "I'll take pictures of the corpses!" In addition, I can send copies - no problem. And then this little pot-bellied thing turned me on not in a childish way! - I love small ground beetles from childhood!


Take photos. We will wait))) I love bambis too)

28.09.2008 10:10, akulich-sibiria

help with the bug please mol.gif....I realized that this mustache and all..
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28.09.2008 10:19, Cerambyx

help with the bug please mol.gif....I realized that this mustache and all..

If you define this beetle as a barbel, you will have to describe at least a new subfamily wink.giffor it, although it looks very similar. This is a narrow-winged Oedemeridae-Calopus serraticornis L.
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28.09.2008 10:39, akulich-sibiria

If you define this beetle as a barbel, you will have to describe at least a new subfamily wink.giffor it, although it looks very similar. This is a narrow-winged Oedemeridae-Calopus serraticornis L.

redface.gif well, I was in a hurry with the last phrase, of course, there is simply no binocular at hand, so it seemed from the appearance..can you tell me how this species is widely distributed??

28.09.2008 11:14, Cerambyx

  redface.gif well, I was in a hurry with the last phrase, of course, there is simply no binocular at hand, so it seemed from the appearance..can you tell me how this species is widely distributed??

It is widely distributed, from Europe to Transbaikalia in the east, develops in rotten coniferous wood (in" green " it is indicated, in my opinion, for pine).
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28.09.2008 11:48, RippeR

as far as I know, the bug is not frequent... ?7

28.09.2008 11:53, akulich-sibiria

I caught this handsome guy in Krasnoyarsk, although we don't have any oaks here at all smile.gif
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28.09.2008 12:18, Cerambyx

I caught this handsome guy in Krasnoyarsk, although we don't have any oaks here at all smile.gif

wow! Not weak you have it to the West skidded! Since we are talking about oaks, I understand that there are already guesses about belonging to the species Plagionotus pulcher Blessig, 1872? wink.gif So here it is! smile.gif

28.09.2008 12:47, akulich-sibiria

wow! Not weak you have it to the West skidded! Since we are talking about oaks, I understand that there are already guesses about belonging to the species Plagionotus pulcher Blessig, 1872? wink.gif So here it is! smile.gif

yes it is!!..it was possible to finish off the larvae to the genus, then to finish off the imago!! smile.gif imported oak from the Far East was
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28.09.2008 13:01, akulich-sibiria

I understand this is Cerambyx cerdo???
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28.09.2008 13:06, Cerambyx

I take it this is Cerambyx cerdo???

Yeah, that's it. Where does the bug come from?

28.09.2008 13:11, akulich-sibiria

Yeah, that's it. Where does the bug come from?

this is a gift from somewhere in the Crimea...just not a familiar person for our region smile.gif

28.09.2008 13:37, akulich-sibiria

Yenisetsky district, Krasnoyarsk Krai, Russian Federation. Nazimovo
1. some Callidium...maybe chloricans or cariaceum??..
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2. Khakassia steppe tell me what kind of Eudorcadion it is...
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28.09.2008 14:28, Cerambyx

this is a gift from somewhere in the Crimea...just not a familiar person for our region smile.gif

If Crimean-Cerambyx cerdo acuminatus Motsch.
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28.09.2008 14:49, Cerambyx

Yenisetsky district, Krasnoyarsk Krai, Russian Federation. Nazimovo
1. some Callidium...maybe chloricans or cariaceum??..

2. Khakassia steppe tell me what kind of Eudorcadion it is...


1-Yes, this is Callidium (Palaeocallidium). Since chlorizans is now considered a synonym for coriaceum, you have coriaceum smile.gif.

2 - Eodorcadion carinatum carinatum or E. carinatum blessigi (you can't tell without a more precise collection point).
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28.09.2008 15:27, akulich-sibiria

1-Yes, this is Callidium (Palaeocallidium). Since chlorizans is now considered a synonym for coriaceum, you have coriaceum smile.gif.

2 - Eodorcadion carinatum carinatum or E. carinatum blessigi (you can't tell without a more precise collection point).


frown.gif I just have a dispute between these two species!! eudorkadions...these beetles are quite common in Khakassia, south of Lake Baikal.Shira to the foothills of the Kuznetsk Alatau(steppe, often on grasses or in grass near roads)

And about callidium thank you, and then there were also disagreements, it turned out to be the same thing))

29.09.2008 12:24, Андреас

"Here's the same Bombidion as promised. I scanned it for the first time in my life at 4800; and I am completely disappointed and not satisfied with the result compared to Berlov.
Dagomys (Sochi) 20.09.08, day, concrete barrier of the beach during a storm. And its size is not 5 mm, as I wrote out of fishing habit, but 3 mm!
+ staphylins from the same place-6mm and 8mm.

29.09.2008 13:25, Alexander Zarodov

I picked up all sorts of ground beetles in the gnilushki near Moscow just now. I'd appreciate it!

1. Small bug, 5-7 mm
Dromius sp.?

picture: bug09271.jpg

2. 8-10 mm, similar to Pterostichus sp.

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29.09.2008 13:33, Buzman

To Andreas: Bembidion is indeed very similar to Bembidion (s. str.) quadripustulatum (Audinet-Serville, 1821)

That is, Double A: the first is Oxypselaphus obscurus (Herbst 1784), and the second is Adopimus sp.

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29.09.2008 13:39, Андреас

(for Buzman) -
1. Small bug, 5-7 mm
Dromius sp.?

- Can it be useful?...:
"There are at least 10 species of the genus Dromius in Europe. Some of them have only the seventh interval of elytra with a number of bristle-bearing pores, and the third with only one pore near the top."

This post was edited by Andreas - 09/29/2008 13: 40

29.09.2008 13:41, Cerambyx

  frown.gif I just have a dispute between these two species!! eudorkadions...these beetles are quite common in Khakassia, south of Lake Baikal.Shira to the foothills of the Kuznetsk Alatau(steppe, often on grasses or in grass near roads)

And about callidium thank you, and then there were also disagreements, it turned out to be the same thing))

Then Eo. carinatum carinatum.

29.09.2008 13:45, Buzman

To Andreas: Duc still isn't Dromius, it's Oxypselaphus

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29.09.2008 13:48, Андреас

To Andreas: Bembidion is indeed very similar to Bembidion (s. str.) quadripustulatum (Audinet-Serville, 1821)

That is, Double A: the first is Oxypselaphus obscurus (Herbst 1784), and the second is Adopimus sp.

For staphylinov - "Big Rakhmat"; "and this quadripustulatum has several other species of this genus that are offensively similar!" frown.gif "Let Fornax, Alex, and Anteranus do some more fishing)

29.09.2008 13:51, Андреас

"Hey, man! - It's me who takes the Double, not Buzman! lol.gif

This post was edited by Andreas - 09/29/2008 13: 53
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29.09.2008 14:30, Alexander Zarodov

Is this a Limodromus assimilis?

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29.09.2008 14:39, Buzman

Yeah, that's it. Only it is more commonly called Platynus assimilis
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29.09.2008 15:42, Alexander Zarodov

The photo, of course, is not the best, but the other one did not work shuffle.gifout This pterostichus? 15 mm approximately.

picture: bug09285.jpg

This post was edited by Double A-09/29/2008 15: 42

29.09.2008 15:58, Buzman

It seems to be, but the angle is not very good, it's hard to say. It is similar to Pterostichus (Steropus) aethiops (Panzer, 1797).
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29.09.2008 16:55, Fornax13


Dagomys (Sochi) 20.09.08, day, concrete barrier of the beach during a storm. And its size is not 5 mm, as I wrote out of fishing habit, but 3 mm!
+ staphylins from the same place-6mm and 8mm.

Bambi, I would say, is still B. (s. str.) quadripustulatum (Audinet-Serville, 1821). The naves are larger and more slender or something... B. quadripustulatum in the south is quite a frequent species, and I think he doesn't care where to live.
Staf (8 mm) - probably Cafius (s. str.) xantholoma (Gravenhorst, 1806). I've never seen it before.
6 mm-I suspect that Remus filum (Kiesenwetter, 1849) (which is more likely) or R. sericeus Holme, 1837. But it's a poke method anyway smile.gif
And so-both genera are characteristic inhabitants of sea coasts.

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29.09.2008 19:00, Fornax13

Bambi, I would say, is still B. (s. str.) quadripustulatum (Audinet-Serville, 1821).

I've just figured out what it is ... does this "bembidion" have truncated elytra?? And where are the frontal grooves? And why are the eyes small? smile.gif
I'm messing up, though smile.gif
Now I suspect that it is Lionychus quadrillum (Duftschmid, 1812). Such could be taken smile.gif
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29.09.2008 20:15, Андреас

I've just figured out what it is ... does this "bembidion" have truncated elytra?? And where are the frontal grooves? And why are the eyes small? smile.gif
I'm messing up, though smile.gif
Now I suspect that it is Lionychus quadrillum (Duftschmid, 1812). They could have been damned smile.gif


- Hey , - and they are among themselves (I collected 20 pieces) so different in the picture!
- Let me send you the last remaining 2 pieces from the distribution for the sake of principle!? wink.gif
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29.09.2008 20:30, Fornax13

- Hey , - and they are among themselves (I collected 20 pieces) so different in the picture!
- Let me send you the last remaining 2 pieces from the distribution for the sake of principle!? wink.gif

And they are very variable-up to the complete disappearance of spots. I don't mind wink.gif

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