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Community and ForumTaxonomy. ClassificationQuestions of identification of the Carabidae

Aleksey Adamov, 27.05.2006 20:44

By determinant: Determinant of insects of the European part of the USSR vol. 2, 1965 (Kryzhanovsky's table).
The table for the genus Acinopus is not changed now? I have two species (defined from this table): A. laevigatus and A. picipes both from the Don River delta. Our specialist says that this is not A. picipes, but also A. laevigatus. But they differ exactly (according to this table).
Outdated, they are or not-that's the question.
If so, what works are there on this topic?

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27.05.2006 22:38, Bad Den

I've seen some work on this topic in Google search results somewhere, in French, I think...

27.05.2006 23:23, Aleksey Adamov

One more question. Is the determinant of the "European Part of the USSR vol. 2 of 1965" suitable for separating Harpalus dimidiatus and H. caspius?
I don't quite get it right.

28.05.2006 11:34, Bad Den

Well, IMHO, the signs there are b. - m. clear, although I have not seen either type" in person", and I may be mistaken. It is probably easier to prepare the genitals and either photograph and send photos to the ZIN, or-mounted copies with preparations of the genitals, and then navigate by them (there will be, so to speak, a standardsmile.gif) .

01.06.2006 21:05, Aleksey Adamov

Well, IMHO, the signs there are b. - m. clear, although I have not seen either type" in person", and I may be mistaken. It is probably easier to prepare the genitals and either take photos and send them to the ZIN, or-mounted copies with preparations of the genitals, and then navigate by them (there will be, so to speak, a standard smile.gif).


I don't quite agree about the clarity of the signs. In this case, there is only one clear sign: the main edge of the elytra is wide, usually curved forward in a steep arc and forms an acute angle with the lateral edge.
The remaining signs are either indicated only in the thesis or in the antithesis, or are of a comparative nature, the chiba "more than..."I
have the same beetles of this group, with the edge of the elytra as in H. caspius and the rest of the signs as in H. dimidiatus (color and gloss of the top, color of the antennae).

01.06.2006 22:50, Bad Den

Then-dissect and look at the genitals, if in this case there are no significant differences-call for help from molecular scientists smile.gif

02.06.2006 5:55, bora

Mr. Adamov. If you are from Rostov, please contact the chairman of your entomological society department, Yuri Arzanov, a coleopterologist and a strong specialist in genital analysis. If they can't help, they will refer you to a specific specialist. Determining many species only by habit is pure fortune-telling on coffee grounds.

02.06.2006 14:56, Aleksey Adamov

Mr. Adamov. If you are from Rostov, please contact the chairman of your entomological society department, Yuri Arzanov, a coleopterologist and a strong specialist in genital analysis. If they can't help, they will refer you to a specific specialist. Determining many species only by habit is pure fortune-telling on coffee grounds.

Yuri Genrikhovich checked my ground beetles only habitually. And direct, sent to ZIN. But I don't have the money yet for such a procedure (komondirovku).

02.06.2006 15:11, Bad Den

Yuri Genrikhovich checked my ground beetles only habitually. And direct, sent to ZIN. But I don't have the money yet for such a procedure (komondirovku).

And if you send it by mail?
In addition, a business trip implies that it is paid for by the sending organization wink.gif

This post was edited by Bad Den-02.06.2006 15: 14

02.06.2006 16:36, str

It is most convenient to learn how to blow bags yourself and generally work with the genitals.
There they (coleopterologists) have a whole school of genitalists: Arzanov himself, Nabozhenko, Shokhin, Kasatkin, Khachikov, etc. I think that they will not refuse to teach you.

02.06.2006 19:13, Aleksey Adamov

And if you send it by mail?
In addition, a business trip implies that it is paid for by the sending organization wink.gif

My organization (RSU) has already sent me to ...

I don't want to send it by mail or with an opportunity. We need to master this definition, get the skills.

02.06.2006 19:43, Aleksey Adamov

By the way, even if you start to dissect genetalia (blow for example). What kind of literature should I focus on?
I have the following works on Harpalini:

Kataev, B. M., Ground beetles of the genus Harpalus close to H. pumilus (Coleoptera, Carabidae), in Insects of Mongolia. Issue 11, 1990, pp. 91-142.

Kataev B. M. New data on ground beetles of the genera Pangus and Harpalus (Coleoptera, Carabidae) Mongolia with the revision of a number of Palearctic groups/ / Insects of Mongolia. Issue 10, 1989, pp. 188-278.

Kataev B. M. Materials on the knowledge of ground beetles of the subgenus Hypsinephus Bates of the genus Harpalus Latr. (Coleoptera, Carabidae). Issue 9, 1984, pp. 75-79.

Kataev B. M. Ground beetles of the group Harpalus vitatus (Coleoptera, Carabidae)// Entomological Review LXIX, 2, 1990. pp. 391-400

Kataev, B. M., Review of ground beetles of the subgenus Harpalophonus Ganglb. (Coleoptera, Carabidae, genus Harpalus Latr.), Entomologicheskoe obozrenie, LXIII, 3, 1984, pp. 518-532.

Kataev B. M. Ground beetles of the Oblitus group of the genus Harpalus Latr. (Coleoptera, Carabidae)// Entomological Review, LXXII, 1, 1993. pp. 65-95.

And in these works, enlightenment was used, and the material described is not blown out, but described.
How do I compare it?

By the way, how are they enlightened?

02.06.2006 22:31, Bad Den

The technique of genital dissection is well described here: http://insect-hunter.narod.ru/gj.htm

How to inflate the endophallus sac is described in O. E. Berlov:
http://www.zin.ru/Animalia/Coleoptera/rus/endopha2.htm
http://www.zin.ru/Animalia/Coleoptera/rus/endopha1.htm
And also here: http://insect-hunter.narod.ru/sil-ef.htm

For clarification, you can use 96% alcohol with glycerin (1:1), lactic acid. Glycerin itself somewhat enlightens the drug.

10.08.2006 23:59, Guest

H.dimidiatus i H.caspius khorocho otlichajutsia vneshne. Po-moemu, na etot schet nado glianut' Jablokova-Khnzoriana - Zhuzhely Armianskoi SSR.

12.08.2006 2:04, Guest

Da, i po-moemu, H.dimidiatus iz byvshego Sojuza byl izvesten tol'ko iz Moldavii i to - s voprosom. Eto mozhno proverit' po Checklistu.... Kryzhanovskii s soavt.

18.02.2007 10:41, stierlyz

About Calathus with red prsp. At one time, I was making friends with my friends according to Vereshchagina (EO 1984). There are 2 species, I have much more often come across C. mollis, but C. melanocephalus is also there. And then I saw a link in RJ Entomology, there is a recovery. from the synonyms mollis C. cinctus, and it turned out that all our "mollis" is cinctus. And the Trigger for the Czech Republic and Slovakia (see my post in the topic "Book novelties...") gives 3 types in the table, indicating that they do not have a reliable mollis, and respectively. instructions related to cintus. But I haven't tried to identify my own yet - somehow my hands don't reach. So, I think that in the Crimea, cinctus is more common than other red-backed species, if there are any there at all.
If you want, I'll throw a link to the RJ, I'm sorry, I don't have anything else.
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18.02.2007 14:11, Bad Den

And what is Vereshchagina's article?
Yes, please write a link to RJ
I'll try to find the article.

19.02.2007 1:58, omar

Interesting... I also have a Harpalus dimidiatus or caspius, and I don't have the heart to say clearly that this is one or the other. combines the signs of both according to zelenenky from 1965. The Female frown.gifIs very desirable To Determine. Even very necessary.

20.02.2007 23:51, AlexEvs

About Vereshchagina's article:
Carabids of the genus Calathus Bon. (Coleoptera, Carabidae) of the fauna of the USSR / / ENTOMOLOGICHESKOE OBOZRENIE 63(4) 1984: 751-767, illustr
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21.02.2007 0:17, Necrocephalus

About Vereshchagina's article:
Carabids of the genus Calathus Bon. (Coleoptera, Carabidae) of the fauna of the USSR / / ENTOMOLOGICHESKOE OBOZRENIE 63(4) 1984: 751-767, illustr

Anyone who finds this article is kindly requested to scan it and share it. I also have these ground beetles of the melanocephalus group and would also like to identify them more precisely. I think everyone will be grateful.

21.02.2007 1:16, Bad Den

Anyone who finds this article is kindly requested to scan it and share it. I also have these ground beetles of the melanocephalus group and would also like to identify them more precisely. I think everyone will be grateful.

I found it...
I found it...
I have it, it turns out, already scanned smile.gif
Sclerosis... shuffle.gif
While it will be here, and a little later I will send it to A. L. Lobanov for posting on the ZIN website.

This post was edited by Bad Den - 02/21/2007 01: 19
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21.02.2007 7:45, Aleksandr Ermakov

I found it...
A little later I will send it to A. L. Lobanov for posting on the ZIN website.


Thank you, but don't take the quality comment as criticism.
It is clearly not worth posting ZINA on the site: the scan was made, apparently, from a thick file of the entomological review. There are a lot of things on the spread (binding) (even the key tag numbers) that can't be read.
I'll try to do better. Although in our library all the old magazines are bound in 6 numbers.

21.02.2007 12:47, Bad Den

Thank you, but don't take the quality comment as criticism.
It is clearly not worth posting ZINA on the site: the scan was made, apparently, from a thick file of the entomological review. There are a lot of things on the spread (binding) (even the key tag numbers) that can't be read.
I'll try to do better. Although in our library all the old magazines are bound in 6 issues.

I agree, but what can you do - the scanner of that time did not have a great depth of field.

22.02.2007 17:21, stierlyz

Here is a link to the link about Calathus
RJ Entomologiya 1991 No. 5 pp. 12
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23.02.2007 18:39, stierlyz

I scanned the page from the Trigger for this group, send the soap to the PM - I will try to send it.
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