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AGG, 19.12.2007 15:56

Dear brothers in the net ,
Tell me the techniques, or rather share your personal experience, on catching myrmicophilic beetles.

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19.12.2007 15:57, omar

There was a topic. Search for it.

19.12.2007 16:11, Ilia Ustiantcev

Is Phosphuga atrata myrmecophilic? If so, then by digging up anthills.

19.12.2007 16:20, omar

20.12.2007 0:08, Coleopter

I didn't collect myrmycophilic beetles myself, but I can recommend sifting through an entomological sieve. And even better, see Korotnev's book "Bugs" there about it is written separately.
Phosphuga atrata is not a myrmycophilic beetle, but rather a xylophilic

20.12.2007 8:51, Ilia Ustiantcev

And what was he doing in the anthill? (09.09.2007)

20.12.2007 11:36, omar

You would ask him

20.12.2007 12:02, Victor Titov

And what was he doing in the anthill? (09.09.2007)

If it is found in early spring or late autumn, it may have moved to winter quarters.

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20.12.2007 15:43, Alexandr Rusinov

I caught myrmicophilic babies in traps (glasses), dug into an anthill, the bait is meat. When you take out the trap, the ants run away, and the little ones remain at the bottom of the glass. In populated anthills, 2-3 pieces were caught per day.

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20.12.2007 15:55, omar

What types?

20.12.2007 16:13, Alexandr Rusinov

I caught something, but my hands haven't reached the definition yet... It looks like one species, caught in Formica anthills. I will try to determine in the next few days, and write the result.

20.12.2007 19:11, stierlyz

Yes, there is this topic, just drowned. I also described my techniques there.

25.12.2007 15:25, AGG

Sorry, but as I didn't search, I can't find this topic. please tell me more specifically.плиZ

25.12.2007 15:29, Coleopter

I caught myrmicophilic babies in traps (glasses), dug into an anthill, the bait is meat. When you take out the trap, the ants run away, and the little ones remain at the bottom of the glass. In populated anthills, 2-3 pieces were caught per day.

Can I tell you more??? Do you need a fixing r-r???

25.12.2007 15:53, Victor Titov

Can I tell you more??? Do you need a fixing r-r???

As far as I know, Anthrenus installed cups only with bait, without fixing liquid

, Otherwise the ants would not have run away anywhere

, and the frequency of checking traps is more frequent...

This post was edited by Dmitrich - 12/25/2007 15: 57

25.12.2007 16:27, amara

I caught something, but my hands haven't reached the definition yet... It looks like one species, caught in Formica anthills. I'll try to determine the result in the next few days.

Couldn't determine which view yet?
I myself became interested and I found one article on myrmicophilic toddlers:
http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:2-a1ntj...1&client=safari

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25.12.2007 17:22, Coleopter

Well, and the frequency of checking traps-more often...

And how often is it better to check?

25.12.2007 17:28, Victor Titov

And how often is it better to check?

Well, it's better every two or three days. Otherwise, the bait will be devoured by ants (if not updated).

This post was edited by Dmitrich - 12/25/2007 17: 28

25.12.2007 17:30, omar

But I don't set traps here either, and

I collect them manually here.

25.12.2007 17:32, Victor Titov

But I don't set traps here either, and I collect them manually here.

Glory to the tireless worker and enthusiast!

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26.12.2007 1:04, Fornax13

What is more interesting

is especially for messors of some kind...

Although the traps should also be tried.

This post was edited by Fornax13-26.12.2007 01: 07

27.12.2007 11:50, Alexandr Rusinov

Good afternoon! As traps, I used yogurt cups, dug into the dome of the anthill, fixing liquid, as already written by Dmitrich, I did not use, as bait - pieces of meat. I have identified the Karapuzikov to the genus, this is Dendrophilus, but at the expense of the species - doubts, since I am not particularly strong in this group, and according to Kryzhanovsky, both species can live in anthills.

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27.12.2007 12:08, amara

Good afternoon! As traps, I used yogurt cups, dug into the dome of the anthill, fixing liquid, as already written by Dmitrich, I did not use, as bait - pieces of meat. I have identified the Karapuzikov to the genus, this is Dendrophilus, but at the expense of the species - doubts, since I am not particularly strong in this group, and according to Kryzhanovsky, both species can live in anthills.

Did you use the Fauna of the USSR?
In the" green " identifier (page 101), only one of them seems to be indicated for anthills.
pygmaeus L.

This post was edited by amara - 12/27/2007 12: 09

27.12.2007 12:17, Alexandr Rusinov

The Fauna of the USSR indicates that D. punctatus can also inhabit the nests of Formica. My instances are more similar to punctatus, but I want to compare them to pigmaeus before saying anything unambiguously.

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27.12.2007 14:43, Dmitry Vlasov

Bring it to me, I have both kinds...

27.12.2007 16:45, stierlyz

Yes this topic is in the same forum on page 3

28.12.2007 1:55, Coleopter

But I don't set traps here either, and I collect them manually here.

Collecting insects without using traps is not a comlfo

28.12.2007 10:05, omar

It depends on what goals to pursue. If you study the fauna of the ENTIRE region, then yes. And if you collect mainly in one area, it is quite possible to do without them. And my fees only prove that even without them, you can find some interesting and even new species for the region.

28.12.2007 10:12, Alexandr Rusinov

I personally prefer to catch, both with traps and manually, I don't think you need to focus on one method of fishing. Sometimes you manually catch something that doesn't want to go into the traps, sometimes you get caught in the traps that only the back of your head is scratched.

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29.12.2007 2:58, RippeR

I would add to the previous post that something interesting can often fall into the trap, which is very difficult or impossible to take with your hands.. But it is always much more interesting to collect with your hands, it is more pleasant to hold the material, and a living creature in your hands is no less pleasant

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29.12.2007 15:35, Bad Den

It depends on what goals to pursue. If you study the fauna of the ENTIRE region, then yes. And if you collect mainly in one area, it is quite possible to do without them. And my fees only prove that even without them, you can find some interesting and even new species for the region.

Don't tell me.. sometimes you get caught in a trap that only happens by accident with your hands.
Trap, it is again not only in the form of a glass, but also a test tube can be dug in...

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29.12.2007 17:23, Coleopter

To successfully collect beetles, you need to combine the active (manual collection) and passive method (various TRAPS) of collecting

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30.12.2007 1:49, Fornax13

Theoretically, a good way for patient optimists with an excellent memory is to find a suitable anthill in the summer, put a convenient stone on it, and periodically turn it over next spring after the snow melts

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30.12.2007 4:08, Coleopter

Sounds interesting!!!!! Have you tried this method yourself???

30.12.2007 9:20, RippeR

Interested!

01.01.2008 15:40, Frantic

Caught near Moscow in anthills 2 types of Little babies.. Including-Mirmites pizeus. They were caught in May by sifting with sieves. Caught with A. Sokolov... Now the best specialists on Hysterids in the territory of aix. USSR

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02.01.2008 0:14, Fornax13

Sounds interesting!!!!! Have you tried this method yourself???

I hardly belong to this category, so I didn't try

it this way, but in general, after the snow melts (until the soil is dry), turning stones over underground anthills is productive. Or after a good rainstorm, but then myrmecophiles in general sometimes climb on the grass. Although in the spring, they also sometimes do this :once on a steppe slope in the evening, 5-7 specimens of Ctenistes palpalis were caught in each "mowing". On May Day, the case was.

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03.01.2008 22:20, omar

Theoretically, a good way for patient optimists with an excellent memory is to find a suitable anthill in the summer, put a convenient stone on it, and turn it over periodically next spring after the snow melts

I prefer boards

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04.01.2008 0:19, Fornax13

Yes, boards are even more convenient. Just not everywhere. Sometimes they are removed as garbage or burned. But this is another topic

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12.01.2008 13:29, AlexEvs

Did anyone come across woodlice and diplopods in the anthills? They live there too...

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