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andrewins, 25.05.2009 15:16

I have long faced one problem. After moving to a concrete house from a brick five-story building, it turned out that insects do not dry at all during a certain period of time! In the period from October-November to April, when hot water is supplied to the batteries, there are no problems - large beetles dry out in 3-5 days, small ones in 1 day. But as soon as the heating is turned off, any insects, regardless of size, do not dry out in a day, a month, or 3 months. Last year, at the beginning of summer, I straightened medium-sized carabuses. They dried up only after 4 months, when the heating was turned on. Now for the 3rd week brachinuses, amars and other small ground beetles are drying. Until now, they still have absolute mobility of all joints. The humidity meter at this time shows 70% rel. humidity in the apartment. I have heard that you can dry insects in the oven of the stove, after heating it to a certain temperature and then cooling down. Insects seem to be placed for half an hour or less, after which they can be removed from the straighteners and pushed into boxes. If someone has used this technology, or is familiar with it, please tell us more details. In general, if anyone has encountered this problem, please tell me what can be done. I really don't want to stick all the insects on the dies frown.gif

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25.05.2009 22:03, Zhuk

tag garbage right now, saves the oil heater. I put a chair next to it, and spread out butterflies on it, everything dries up in a day. I think with beetles the same thing will pass normally...

25.05.2009 22:10, guest: Andi

And an old photo lamp without a red filter (previously used for printing photos) helps me. I spread 2-3 butterflies, depending on the size, put the lamp (100V) up and in an hour it's ready.

25.05.2009 22:59, Zhuk

well, this is if in small quantities, and if 30-40 butterflies or beetles at a time, then you need something more impressive thread smile.gif

25.05.2009 23:04, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg

tag garbage right now, saves the oil heater. I put a chair next to it, and spread out butterflies on it, everything dries up in a day. I think with beetles the same thing will pass normally...


I tried it in the studio. years - cockroaches warped! And large, Periplaneta americana. Since then, I do not risk contacting the heating elements.

26.05.2009 12:11, Bad Den

I have a slightly different problem-desert blackbirds don't dry out. Apparently, water retention devices in the body work well even after death .
I would like to know about the technology of using the oven.

26.05.2009 12:46, Alexandr Rusinov

It's always a problem with black chicks, especially big ones. I have not tried drying in the oven, but there is an experience of drying in a drying cabinet at 50-60 degrees. An ordinary insect dries up tightly in 2-3 hours.

26.05.2009 13:56, Necrocephalus

Good results can be achieved with a fan heater. You put the foam with the insects spread out at some distance from the fan, so that the foam does not float, and a current of hot air passes over its surface. I think it will take no more than 3 hours to dry even such a monster as Diesia argentatawink.gif.
Such a thing is not too expensive-you can take it in the region of 500-600 rubles.
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26.05.2009 22:44, Zhuk

I have a slightly different problem-desert blackbirds don't dry out. Apparently, water retention devices in the body work well even after death.

I have Volgograd half a year dried)))))

27.05.2009 19:09, Tyomochkin

And how much on average should a butterfly dry on a straightener? Well, let's say. regular inaches io? I've just been struggling with this question for 3 years now. I dry at normal room temperature for 3 days on sprawlers, the wings are not lowered. But in the Darwin Museum brochure (?) I read that for 2 weeks.
So still, how much?

27.05.2009 19:20, Macroglossum

Hello zemelya (Medvedkovo) answer-optimal - 2 weeks it's not just about moisture some chemical compounds should "ustakanitsa" It's for everyone and not just for the admiral.... Well, for geometrid, of course, a week is enough...and sphingids need 2 weeks of course... Toko remove the straightener under the glass (sideboard, bookshelf, sideboard) And then the dust will pump...

27.05.2009 19:23, Macroglossum

This is for svezhak...5 days will be enough for the exicate

27.05.2009 19:28, AntSkr

a week is not enough for moths, they seem dry in appearance, but the wings then descend

27.05.2009 19:29, Macroglossum

Then the question of degreasing Lena Nikolaeva wrote about acetone with subsequent exfoliation and straightening... no need for acetone, krl. ottyryatsafrown.gif lyubimomu gasoline "Galosha" and all.. and it is not necessary to rearrange them...

27.05.2009 19:31, Macroglossum

Are they lowered in the case of freshly raised ones?

27.05.2009 19:34, Macroglossum

a week is not enough for moths, they seem dry in appearance, but the feathers then fall down
And by the way, the question with the straightening of licenids after exiction? All right with you?

27.05.2009 19:37, AntSkr

After a week, some people can go down quite strongly. Litzenids spread out well if they are tattooed and their wings are flat.

27.05.2009 19:44, Macroglossum

a week is not enough for moths, they seem dry in appearance, but the feathers then fall down

As for moths and their "lowering", the Butterfly is rather ephemeral (as a rule). And you just need to be available-gmaximally sealed boxes and try not to allow temperature changes in the apartment.. well, about humidity, of course...

27.05.2009 19:48, Macroglossum

After a week, some people can go down quite strongly. Litzenids spread out well if they are tattooed and their wings are flat.

DO YOU MASSAGE THE BREASTS OF LITZENIDS WITH THIN TWEEZERS?

02.07.2009 20:01, andrewins

Thank you for your tips! I tried to dry it next to the heater. Large Carabus that were not dried in 2 months of drying at room temperature dried in 2 hours. jump.gif However, I placed the straighteners vertically so that the plane of the straightener became parallel to the plane of the heater. Due to this, the straighteners turned out to be placed closer. The only negative is that the oil heater consumes quite a lot of electricity. On sale relatively recently appeared infrared heaters - they seem to consume much less energy. However, I do not know how strong infrared radiation will affect the pigments in the color of insects. Has anyone accidentally used such units smile.gif?

19.08.2009 1:21, andrewins

Now I dry the material in this way. I cut out coasters from poly-polyethylene foam, with the help of which I fix the foam with straightened insects over the heater. Large carabids dry out in half an hour or an hour.

Photos of what it all looks like smile.gif

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This post was edited by andrewins - 08/19/2009 01: 23
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19.08.2009 3:36, Black Coleopter

Freshly assembled beetles on a piece of foam cover with a cloth (so as not to get dusty) and leave to dry for a week - no problems. As for artificial and accelerated drying methods, after that the insects become brittle.

19.08.2009 13:47, andrewins

Lucky you! smile.gif I also used to have problems with drying when I lived in a five-story building. They started as soon as I moved into a concrete house. Therefore, it is necessary to resort to this method of drying. Due to the constantly high humidity in the apartment in the spring-summer-autumn period, even after such artificial drying, the mobility of the joints is restored after a while. But it's still better than sitting around waiting for the heating season to start editing the material, as I had to do before.

19.08.2009 21:34, okoem

The only negative is that the oil heater consumes quite a lot of electricity. On sale relatively recently appeared infrared heaters - they seem to consume much less energy. However, I do not know how strong infrared radiation will affect the pigments in the color of insects. Has anyone accidentally used such units smile.gif?

"Nothing comes from anywhere and does not disappear" (c).
How much energy you consume - so much heat and get.
Infrared heaters have their own field of application, while oil heaters have their own.
Infrared heaters have been on sale since time immemorial - an incandescent lamp is essentially an infrared heater wink.gif
The oil filter also produces infrared radiation.

23.11.2009 20:26, Sergey Rybalkin

Who dries butterflies on the straightener for how long. I keep it for 5-7 days. Someone keeps a month, why? And in general, everything is determined by the relative humidity in the room in which drying takes place.

23.11.2009 21:05, Yakovlev

In St. Petersburg or London, you can't do it any other way.
I have a dry apartment-golubyanka 3 days, which is larger up to a week.
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23.11.2009 23:26, RippeR

I always have something big on my lap: brahmea, catocala, hawk moth, cocoonworm-fast. golubyanka - long, about a week or more, tolstogolovka-very long..
After all, it does not depend on the size ))
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24.11.2009 13:08, taler

I would also say that it does not depend on the size.A fresh butterfly will dry faster than a soaked one.
But 3, 5 and 7 days are still not enough for both options.Dry land on straightening machines for more than 2 weeks.It happens (due to employment) and they sit for more than a month.Not an example of course, but more guarantees that it will be fixed better.

24.11.2009 13:23, taler

Some are dried with incandescent bulbs,but I prefer a container with insulating silicone balls interspersed with mothballs.Both cases have their own specifics, pros and cons.
A drying room with lamps (if closed) will create a greenhouse effect, i.e. vapors from the calf will settle on the wings and dense tracing paper, deforming them.Further, the light of lamps can also affect the scales.Do not use high-power lamps.40-60 watts is quite suitable.
Silicone balls pull moisture very strongly.Here you just need to take into account the number of k square meters.When drying quickly, there will also be deformations.Do not place the butterfly with wet wings-during the drying process, the wings will stick to the straightener and in most cases the specimen will be lost.

I've also heard about oven drying.Naturally in the air.But it seems to me that there is much more quality loss
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24.11.2009 13:24, Guest

I would also say that it does not depend on the size.A fresh butterfly will dry faster than a soaked one.
But 3, 5 and 7 days are still not enough for both options.Dry land on straightening machines for more than 2 weeks.It happens (due to employment) and they sit for more than a month.Not an example of course, but more guarantees that it will be fixed better.

I have soaked dry faster than fresh...

24.11.2009 13:34, taler

I won't argue.After all, everyone soaks in their own way.I have each butterfly more than 4 cm in span pricked with warm water and placed up to a day in the insulator.Agree that it is more "raw"thansmile.giffreshly killed ex.

25.11.2009 18:42, mikee

I won't argue.After all, everyone soaks in their own way.I have each butterfly more than 4 cm in span pricked with warm water and placed up to a day in the insulator.Agree that it is more "raw"than a freshly killed specimen.smile.gif

We will not agree, smile.gifbut In a fresh insect, the water is in a bound state (intracellular), so it is fresh and dries longer. At least I wink.gifhave

25.11.2009 19:06, Guest

We will not agree, smile.gifbut In a fresh insect, the water is in a bound state (intracellular), so it is fresh and dries longer. At least I have wink.gif

Yes, as part of a colloidal solution. From it, water evaporates much more slowly.

25.11.2009 20:46, taler

Misha, and the moisture in svezhak is still less than in my soaked smile.gifone, Maybe in svezhak and intracellularly, but in my ekz it is intraatomically and intracellularly damp lol.gif
Fact-fresh ones dry faster.Sometimes you catch it in the morning and in the afternoon, come in the evening to spread it out and have to soak it.Especially blueberries dry quickly fresh.

25.11.2009 21:47, Zhuk

Yes, fresh ones dry faster by the way

25.11.2009 23:06, mikee

Misha, and the moisture in svezhak is still less than in my soaked smile.gifone, Maybe in svezhak and intracellularly, but in my ekz it is intraatomically and intracellularly damp lol.gif
Fact-fresh ones dry faster.Sometimes you catch it in the morning and in the afternoon, come in the evening to spread it out and have to soak it.Especially blueberries dry quickly fresh.

Soaked golubyanka dries so fast that sometimes I don't even have time to straighten it tongue.gif
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25.11.2009 23:22, RippeR

I would say that it all depends on the case, and on the butterflies themselves.. For example, males of Glaucopsyche alexis dry very intensively when fresh.. Most moths and some scoops are also hard to dry. Very well dry fresh hawkmoth, cocoonworms, some satyrs, some nymphalids. Very bad dry thickheads that are fresh, that soaked, but fresh is still better, they can at least be straightened )))
soaked kocals go easy-hooray! Although fresh ones dry quite well. Soaked parnassas dry much better - there are no problems with them at all. Fresh is also good, but soaked. it seems to me a little better and faster ))

25.11.2009 23:38, taler

Soaked golubyanka dries so quickly that sometimes I don't even have time to straighten it tongue.gif

I won't argue with you anyway!!! tongue.gif

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25.11.2009 23:47, mikee

I won't argue with you anyway!!! tongue.gif

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01.12.2009 19:42, Andylog

I moisten my mustache with a brush, and I recommend it to everyone who doesn't do it yet. Lazy, of course, but a broken mustache is a lot of offending
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