Creating a blacklist of sellers/buyers

I've NEVER been involved in entomology haggling!!! And then I answer: "No. 3. I don't care about"

What can you sell in Entomology?О_О

What can you sell in Entomology?O_O

But they do trade!

Well, once such a diologist went.You can soften the title a little.Well, for example, so "Board of claims", or "Pay attention" and enter in this topic according to the claims to a specific person, what do you think Pavel?

I've NEVER been involved in entomology haggling!!! And then I answer: "No. 3. I don't care"

How do insects differ from other bioresources sold in stores?

More than 50% of all materials from all museums in the world are obtained by purchase.

I've NEVER been involved in entomology haggling!!!

More than 50% of all materials from all museums in the world are obtained by purchase.

25 again! Friends, well, how much can you pound water in a mortar? The topic is not about this at all - a SURVEY has been proposed - whether or not to create a "black list" of unscrupulous parties in commodity-monetary-entomological relations on the forum. And to buy (sell) or not, and how much and for whom it is acceptable - it's been discussed a hundred times! Enough, really! Those who buy/sell, successfully do it, including on the forum. And for those who, for various reasons, avoid ringing coins when adding to their collections, you should not impose your opinion on others and, moreover, bother to discuss the legitimacy of the proposed survey and everything related to it. It is sufficient to put a "tick" next to the answer "I don't care". I, for example, also do not sell or buy material. So what? Is this interesting to anyone? Or does it bother someone? As, however, I absolutely do not interfere with those who are engaged in commerce from entomology or use its services. That's their business. So they need it. I suggest that we not raise or discuss these issues again.

How do insects differ from other bioresources sold in stores?

What do you mean by "bioresources"?

More than 50% of all materials from all museums in the world are obtained by purchase.

Museums and private collecting are two different things. And this topic has already been discussed more than once, and still, some continue to use this "trump card"

Well, once such a diologist went.You can soften the title a little.Well, for example, so "Board of claims", or "Pay attention" and enter in this topic according to the claims to a specific person, what do you think Pavel?

I think that in this case, the term "black list" is just appropriate, because before putting someone on this list, the person who placed them repeatedly tried to contact this person and make their claims.

I agree.the topic will be more informative.where you can see who you are dealing with.

I believe that such a topic should be supported by strong evidence. Otherwise, it will be another topic for empty throwing poop at each other.

..I wanted to ignore this topic altogether, since I don't seem to sell or buy insects. I prefer to search for them myself, find them, and "bring them to light" (send collections to specialists, museums, or print the results of my research).
But, I remembered a very unpleasant and very instructive case that left a very bad impression. Collecting material for a joint (co-authored with other researchers of this group and collectors) large-scale work (series) on pigeons of the genus Polyommatus. So I wrote off a lot of collectors in Russia (or, if you want, collectors) and asked for research on their collections of certain types of pigeons, from certain geographical areas (with the return of collection material or with the purchase/exchange for literature). It was a lot of trouble - but it was worth it! And only one person from Altai (I suspect that on the teaching of another citizen) just threw me-that is, we agreed on all the conditions for exchanging butterfly collections for a book (I honestly sent it) - and in response to a series of my requests, deathly silence! Kidalovo first-class - I encountered this for the first time and it left a VERY unpleasant mark...
And it is for this reason that I later rejected a very flattering offer for me (as a researcher of diurnal mace-moustached lepidoptera) to map some mace-moustached species in Russia! The work is very titanic and very relevant, BUT IT is NOT POSSIBLE without the participation of ordinary Russian collectors, mostly good and decent people...

If there are other options for the topic name and of course such contacts we write here
And so let's start:

Sylvain SAPALY,
72 rue du Dauphine,
69003 LYON, FRANCE
I received my parcel with beetles in the spring of this year, but I didn't bother to send my own. Although he answers questions about soap right away, but feeds "breakfast" for 4-5 months already.

I haven't caught any beetles yet, but if I do, I'll send you

be honest and most of the problems will disappear!

This post was edited by Collector - 25.07.2011 20: 02

Holy simplicity.

Collector: to become a permanent member of the forum in such a short period of time. Unfortunately, the number of messages, not the content of the messages. A lot of noise and a minimum of information - this is about you!!!!!

and in my opinion, in this topic, I hit the nail on the head
well, the content of messages will be better later, as I gain more experience

Especially surprising are the posts in this thread from Wild Yuri (Yuri Berezhnoy) - one of the main scammers. As far as I know, only the Europeans have claims against you for several thousand Euros.

Especially surprising are the posts in this thread from Wild Yuri (Yuri Berezhnoy) - one of the main scammers. As far as I know, only the Europeans have claims against you for several thousand Euros.

Yes, but I didn't know,thank you,because my friends and I were going to contact him for a trip to the Far East(he described everything so beautifully) next year.They would have been caught.
The list started with your submission:
1. Yuri Berezhnoy.
Continue reading..........

He arranged a trip to the Far East for us, bought equipment ( with our money), and took us to various locations. There are no complaints. Someone has already written in this topic that proof is needed, otherwise it will be a stupid ob-wound of competitors. Especially on behalf of third parties, which are some Europeans. Let them write it themselves.

He arranged a trip to the Far East for us, bought equipment ( with our money), and took us to various locations. There are no complaints. Someone has already written in this topic that proof is needed, otherwise it will be a stupid ob-wound of competitors. Especially on behalf of third parties, which are some Europeans. Let them write it themselves.

Thank you Victor, reassured, and then molo whether that.And the fact that the Europeans write, so they are not all tyamkayut in Russian(http://forum.stom.ru/index.php?showtopic=16069&st=0).
The list can be reloaded

I'll check the link later
http://forum.stom.ru/index.php?showtopic=16069&st=0

The post was edited by SergeiS.From-22.09.2011 19: 17

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Bintu has become known to have many mail addresses, one of them resembles something in the name of Rhombotriana.It is possible that you can send the parcel first!

I suggest writing briefly about the history of the conflict, i.e. how it all happened and what the meaning of the conflict is.

I suggest writing briefly about the history of the conflict, i.e. how it all happened and what the meaning of the conflict is.

According to your previous message, it is not clear what the essence of the claims is, especially since even the parcel may be sent first.

Member of Hemul 51, ferg44444@mail.ru; aka Ilya Andreevich Yudakov, member of ferg4444, ferg4444@mail.ru;
NOT HONEST,
or, in the light of the latest views,
" ... that lies are to some extent one of the binders of civilization...",
a person who stands guard over civilization.

In general, judging by the minimum of messages, I can say that we are becoming more honest!Maybe thanks to such resources.

Dear Liparus-what they WANTED to buy from you does not mean that they will buy it.A transaction is considered completed when money is paid or contracts are signed.All sorts of circumstances could happen to a person.There were no funds, I found the material cheaper,and finally died.I don't know Alexander,but I don't think I should put him on the list.
Still, unfortunately, there are enough more serious cases such as non-receipt of payment or material.

I deleted the message. You have clarified the situation. Thanks!

All freebies in Cameroon, for example, G. kvadrimakulyatisi 100mm for 25 bucks, in Moscow-for 650, all the smart ones buy in Cameroon.. Everyone who is not smart buys in Moscow,the result is known for 99.99%,you can continue indefinitely.Everyone is not against freebies, and cunning buyers and black sellers appear..IMHO.

All freebies in Cameroon, for example, quadrimaculyatisy 100mm for 25 bucks

they are there in bulk such, for 25
condition of receipt-money in advance

Exactly.Money in advance and no guarantees.And you, Maksim M., have the same 99.99% to give 650 bucks(one beetle will not be sold to you anyway) for the debauchery of Cameroon without return.So the trick is still the same..For me, it's better with a guarantee for 650.Yes, and with a better example than in Cameroon.So the "black sellers" will be in Africa

those who write such things should understand what a scam is going on in these countries. I was repeatedly deceived. and what can we say about jokes. You write on some site buy kossid. And the guys from Cameroon write-give us 100 bucks and we'll send you a hundred kossids. I tell them-let's have a nice person photo-and they don't have photos of kossus kossus downloaded from the Internet-just the first images from Google herachat. Here, buy it. such cool cossides fly with us.

It's already good that they know who the cossides are

It's already good that they know who the cossides are

And why should they know if there is Google and images in it?

Similar topics are available on many resources , and they are very relevant ! For example, I wanted to buy something , went to read the topic - and protected myself from scammers even at the same 20% ))

I wanted to buy something

And catch it yourself???

http://classifieds.insectnet.com/hsx/class...query=retrieval

http://classifieds.insectnet.com/hsx/class...query=retrieval

This post was edited by rpanin - 29.11.2013 16: 13