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Subgenus Semnocarabus, Ulocarabus (Carabus)

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rpanin, 06.02.2009 0:42

Carabus (Semnocarabus) transiliensis Semenov, 1896
15 mm.
Kazakhstan, Big Almaty Lake ,30. VI. 1992

Carabus (Semnocarabus) erosus erosus Motschulsky, 1865
18 mm.
Киргизия,Иссык-Кульский обл.,Сары-Джаз h=2800m.,17-26.VII.1996

This post was edited by rpanin - 11.09.2012 00: 46

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Comments

06.02.2009 1:25, RippeR

does transiliensis look like regylus? 0_o yes, not a drop! I'll post it soon.. What's the size?

06.02.2009 13:54, Dmitry Vlasov

I was particularly impressed by Kryzhanovsky's editorial staff! Instead of drawing (bad) cool photo! Thanks!
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07.02.2009 4:16, RippeR

Semnocarabus bogdanowi (for example, in Tarpaulin it goes as a separate species, and many interpret it as a subspecies of erosus)
zap. Issyk-Kul, perval Kuvaki, M. L. Danilevsky leg
picture: DSC09379.JPG
Semnocarabus erosus bakanasicus, Obydov, 2003 Paratypes
Kazakhstan, 20 km from d. Bakanas 15-20. 05. 1997, M. L. Danilevsky leg
very interesting shape of the body and pronotum, as well as the sculpture of elytra.. Perhaps you can select a separate view here..
picture: DSC09380.JPGpicture: DSC09382.JPGpicture: DSC09385.JPG
Semnocarabus regulus Dohm, 1882
Kirghizia, Kok-Ki 7-8. 06. 1997 M. L. Danilevsky leg
12, 14 mm. The smallest carabuses I have in my collection smile.gif
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*more erosus carbonicolor on the way

This post was edited by RippeR - 07.02.2009 04: 19
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07.02.2009 18:40, Nikolaj Pichugin

I'll add a couple more:
Carabus erosus auliensis Lapouce
Kyrgyzstan, Tash-Debe settlement h-1200m, 20.05.93, leg. Pichugin N. Yu.
picture: Carabus_erosus_auliensis.jpg

Carabus carbonicolor Morawitz
Kazakhstan, Temerlik, 25.05.92, leg. Shestopalov M. V.
In the list of Tarpaulins there are several subspecies, which one I don't know. If anyone can tell me, I would be very grateful.
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07.02.2009 18:58, rpanin

"Semnocarabus erosus bakanasicus, Obydov, 2003 Paratypes
Kazakhstan, 20 km from d. Bakanas 15-20. 05. 1997, M. L. Danilevsky leg
very interesting shape of the body and pronotum, as well as the sculpture of elytra.. Perhaps here you can select a separate view.."

What is interesting about it?

07.02.2009 20:48, RippeR

do you see anything about the shape of the female elytra? Widen towards the middle and sharpen towards the end.. If you compare it with other species, it is slightly similar only to transiliensis, but still very different.. And pronotum with a clear border-indentation, I don't even know how best to describe it (well, I certainly froze about the viewsmile.gif, but it will still look interesting)

08.02.2009 2:05, RippeR

Nikolai Pichugin:
Tarpaulin has 3 subspecies: korolkowi, collosus, carbonicolor
carboniferous color-Central Tien Shan: Tengri massif, dolna Sary Dzabaz, Ak-Shivrak Junka
korolkovy - NW, Ts Tien Shan: Kyrgyz mountains, Trans-Ili Alatau and Kiungii Alatuu: eastern part, OKR. Charyn.
Kallosus: North-Central Yatn_Ashn, Central Trans-Ili Alatau

mine are from Ketmeni, which subspecies should I push them to?

08.02.2009 12:34, Nikolaj Pichugin

 
mine are from Ketmeni, which subspecies should I push them to?

Andrey, I think you have carbonicolor callosus Semenov, 1896
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10.02.2009 14:45, rpanin

Carabus (Semnocarabus) carbonicolor korolkowi Semenov, 1896
female 19mm
Kazakhstan, Big Almaty Lake, 30. VI. 1992 .

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11.02.2009 16:18, rpanin

Carabus (Semnocarabus) transiliensis Semenov, 1896
16mm.
South Kazakhstan Region, hr. Ketmen (northern slopes) h=2250-2500m., 1-5. VI. 1990

This post was edited by rpanin - 11.02.2009 17: 49

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11.02.2009 16:39, RippeR

it doesn't look like Regulus, even in the sculpture of the elytra.. mine are smooth.
The color is also completely different - mine is black. Maybe there are some subspecies, I don't know..
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11.02.2009 17:34, Mylabris

It looks like a transiliensis-his sculpture.
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20.11.2010 23:12, Aleksandr Safronov

Carabus (Semnocarabus) carbonicolor carbonicolor Morawitz, 1886
Kyrgyzstan, NC Tianshan, Kyrgyz Mt. R., Tuyuk riv., h=2000 м.
25-V1-1997 М. Danilevsky leg.
male 20 mm, female 21 mm.

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07.07.2012 8:34, Honza

My colleague was Kirgizii.He collected these types, please help with the definition.

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03.09.2012 15:52, rpanin

Carabus (Semnocarabus) erosus kuldshaensis Ballion, 1878
21 mm
S-Kazakhstan:Ili River valley,:near Bakanas, 3-5.V.2002

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11.09.2012 0:49, rpanin

Carabus (Ulocarabus) ? theanus Reitter, 1895
23 mm
NC Tadzhikistan, Pamir, N-slope Peter I.Mt Rng, h=2100m, Ganishou vill., 10-12.VI.2006, Ivanova E. leg.

This post was edited by rpanin - 21.09.2012 13: 43

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16.09.2012 0:07, rpanin

Carabus (Ulocarabus) stschurovskii Solsky, 1874
22 mm
Tadzhikistan, Pamir-Alay, S slope Gissar Mt.Range, Takob, h-1700m, 10.V.1996, Dolin V.G. leg./ det. Panin R.

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18.09.2012 1:42, I.solod

  Carabus (Ulocarabus) theanus Reitter, 1895
23 mm
NC Tadzhikistan, Pamir, N-slope Peter I.Mt Rng, h=2100m, Ganishou vill., 10-12.VI.2006, Ivanova E. leg.



In my opinion, this is stschurovskii ssp. lineellus Haury, 1886

dissected beetles and blew bags from the same series (same labels)

18.09.2012 1:43, I.solod

theanus Reitter, 1895-he's a little different

18.09.2012 9:57, rpanin

In my opinion, this is stschurovskii ssp. lineellus Haury, 1886

dissected beetles and blew bags from the same series (same labels)

They kind of run around there together. From the same point, I also have stschurovskii ssp. lineellus . Although now it is in synonyms.
The beetle in the photo has a slightly different endophallus.(unfortunately, I accidentally broke it). In addition : the head is narrower, the elytra are wider, without indentation in the center, the posterior corners of the pronotum go back more strongly.

18.09.2012 10:45, rpanin

Somewhere like this was endophallus.
In the photo:
Tadzhikistan, S slope Gissar Mt. Range, left bank of the river Sorbo, Haidar gorge,
A little later I will click on the beetle itself.

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20.09.2012 18:41, I.solod

I don't think so anyway - it's just that I have half a box of these beetles from all the ridges and I have a good idea of their variability , and they run together in places. I've expressed my opinion and I'm not going to change my mind. I would respond to the publication with a review - and here everyone has the right to sign as they wish.
Yes, and theanus - much smaller than stschurovskii-edeagus would have solved everything - once again I am convinced of the thankless task to judge by the photo of beetles

20.09.2012 18:43, I.solod

Further, I will comment only on the material that I will hold in my hands. in the meantime, I'll just look at the photos and comments to nim

20.09.2012 20:11, rpanin

Well, who is this? His endophallus, pictured above. I have identified it as Carabus (Ulocarabus) theanus Reitter, 1895
Basically the same as with xp. Peter I(and pipiskoy, too), just made the photo a little lighter.
21 мм
Tadzhikistan, S slope Gissar Mt.Range, left bank of the river Sorbo, Haidar gorge, 1.VI.1984, Dolin V.G. leg.

This post was edited by rpanin - 20.09.2012 20: 13

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21.09.2012 13:22, I.solod

and this is a normal theanus

Ruslan! copy and put these 2 images side by side in word or photoshop - and you'll see the difference right away

This post was edited by I. solod - 09/21/2012 13: 25
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21.09.2012 13:26, I.solod

They all differ

21.09.2012 13:43, rpanin

They're all different

It's a pity that the bag caught and broke, now you can't get to the truth without it. Maybe I really didn't look carefully.
In the meantime, I'll just put the first photo under the question mark.
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15.02.2013 2:19, rpanin

Carabus (Ulocarabus) theanus delerei Mandl, 1955
23 mm
N-Afghanistan, Hindukush Mt.Rng, NE Salang Pass h=2300 m, 35°27'494"N, 68°58'399"E, IV.2011, C. Reuter leg.

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24.11.2013 16:41, Honza

Carabus (Semnocarabus) erosus kuldshaensis Ballion, 1878
=bakanasicus Obydov, 2002

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