Collecting insects in batches

There are also sewing pins with a metal ball, very similar to entomological ones.

Sewing shops? And how to sew them, I'm sorry, if they are: a) pins; b) do not have an "ear" - a device for threading threads (which already follows from the fact that they are pins)??? I suppose you mean the pins used to pack men's shirts?" Well, this is hardly (to put it mildly) suitable for mounting stuff...

Sewing shops? And how to sew them, I'm sorry, if they are: a) pins; b) do not have an "ear" - a device for threading threads (which already follows from the fact that they are pins)??? I suppose you mean the pins used to pack men's shirts?" Well, this is hardly (to put it mildly) suitable for mounting stuff...

They meant pins used for cutting fabrics.They are used during fixing the cut material, well, during fitting to grab excess matter.

They meant pins used for cutting fabrics.They are used during fixing the cut material, well, during fitting to grab excess matter.

Clear. I am "uncopular" in tailoring. But still, using these pins today, when real entomological pins are not a problem, is hardly reasonable.

Yes, as stated above. Tailor shops. In our city, they call them sewing shops. I don't see any big differences from entomological ones. Perhaps there are no thin ones.

Yes, as stated above. Tailor shops. In our city, they call them sewing shops. I don't see any big differences from entomological ones. There are probably no thin ones.

I've been using them for a long time,and I can tell you that tailor's (or sewing, whatever you call it) pins are much worse than entomological ones.Thick,unsightly, easy to rust.The only advantage of these pins-cheapness-is more than covered by their shortcomings.In my opinion, it is better to spend a little more money, but get better aesthetics and usability (compared to tailor pins).Currently, I have abandoned the use of sewing pins,completely switching exclusively to entomological ones,which I wish for everyone.They may be harder to get,and they cost more, but their advantage is undeniable.Moreover, I gradually transfer all the copies from my old collections (two or three years ago) that are still on tailor's pins to entomological pins.

Which ones are you talking about? We sell stainless steel products. Carnations. You may be confusing it with"ringlets". I agree that entomology is better, but if you are too lazy to order and have a hard time with money... sewing machines are suitable.

I didn't collect insects for four years because of these "carnations".
I came across a rare moth in 2006. I pinned it on such a pin, so a month later, when transferring it to the box, the pin broke and the butterfly flew into small pieces.
Now I prick all insects exclusively for entomology and advise everyone.
By the way, sewing "carnations" are much shorter than real entomological pins, their thickness is very significant and small insects cannot be pricked on them, but the main thing is that they are very fragile.

A question for respected specialists. No one knows-where and why did the use of pins in entomology come from? I dare say from medieval England, they used a huge number of pins in their clothes (when wearing). Special production was carried out by the pinworm class, probably the first entomologists used them. In this case, the use of cutting pins is a return to the roots...

 
By the way, sewing "carnations" are much shorter than real entomological pins, their thickness is very significant and it is impossible to prick small insects on them, but the main thing is that they are very fragile.

And I had flexible, soft ones... In transparent boxes of one hundred pieces. Entomological pins are certainly better, who argues. But I'm not a perfectionist. A copy has always been important to me, and what it is impaled on (and even how it is straightened) "whatever.

About "sewing carnations": they are different.
Somehow I ran into those that" under the die " are very good (I bought a lot at once and still use it). And entomological I use only when" in a body " it is necessary to prick.
For comparison, this "stud", and under it the standard pin "Ento Sphinx" No. 3:

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People, do you have any unnecessary collections of insects???*_*

And why?

People, do you have any unnecessary collections of insects???*_*

In any museum, ask.

*0* yeah??? honestly honestly????

These are the series: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=265...&type=1&theater. 5 kg!

These are the series: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=265...&type=1&theater. 5 kg!

No way!

This post was edited by AGG-02/01/2014 15: 29

Interesting topic. Once, when I was a child, I collected a collection. I had more than 30 pieces of different butterflies - and all one copy at a time. I have now moved to the photo collection. Partly because I feel sorry for them. Although, it depends on what other butterflies. I think that if some Red Book species is local and small in number, it would be better not to touch them at all. I just don't see the point in catching some of them at all, because they are common and don't change much. For example, such butterflies as Admiral, burdock. And the rest-a maximum of 3-6 (the second option) would collect.

So collect!

Collect in batches? Large series? In small batches?
I personally see all this without any questions.
Collect as much as possible in large batches.
This is the only way a species can show all its aesthetics on the one hand,
and on the other, solve many problems of taxonomy and zoogeography.
The only thing is that we all have different opportunities, and there is no escape from this.
For example, a few photos of boxes with Maak sailboats.
Here and zoogeography, and aberations, and races, and forms, and hybrids!
It is a pity that these photos were taken not in Russia, but in Japan.
But we all need to strive for this!

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You need to collect as much as the collection goal requires. Someone needs only one copy per species, and someone collects thousands of copies of the same species. One thing to remember is that not one animal should die for nothing.

Obviously, it all depends on the population density and the specific biology of the species. For example, ants should only be collected in series, with a series for each family. And let's say someone finds a small relict population of Bombus fragrans on a miraculously preserved piece of steppe and starts collecting queens in the spring according to the recommendations of the Collector in Japanese volumes, so that all sorts of aberrations can be studied and possible hybrids detected. This is the purpose of his collection. And next year there will be nothing left to collect. Then you also need to collect wisely. To study certain parameters of the general population (the same proportion of aberrants, for example) we need a sample. The sample is by definition random. That is, in the order of abstraction, all tailbearers are built up to you in the queue for the stain. And you take or refuse by flipping a coin. For example, if an eagle falls three times in a row, please hit the net, otherwise, fly on. There are different ways to approach this abstraction in reality. For example, you set a route, follow it, and catch, say, every tenth butterfly of a certain species that you meet. Or he came to one station, caught one copy, and went to the next. There are also more sophisticated techniques described in the literature. But if you came to a certain point on the tip of a friend, began to swing the net to the right and left and stock up to the last butterfly-this is no longer a random sample, and according to the data obtained, you will not be able to correctly study the population. This is not a study, but a specific butterfly harvesting. Of course, everyone needs money and everyone turns to how they can, who catches crayfish and sells them, and who sells insects, but such an occupation already has a very mediocre relationship to science.

I love the series
Zheltushki (second half of September 2015)

15.IX-03.X.2015 NE Ukraine, Kharkov reg., Chuguev distr., Dachi st.. 49°48'7.57"N, 36°36'51.10"E.

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19-27.IX.2015 NE Ukraine,Kharkov reg.,Zmiev distr., Gineevka St. 49°40'54.23"N, 36°24'57.61"E

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I love the series
Zheltushki (second half of September 2015)

Yolks and one Edusa.
Cool series, and how many types of yolks are there?

Without a specific goal, preferably scientific, and not commercial, this is at best just a temporary exclusion of organic material from the cycle of substances, and at worst-the inability of these individuals to reproduce and contribute to the development of the species

Yolks and one Edusa.
Cool series, and how many types of yolks are there?

1 species or 2 species of Erate and Crocea, plus hybrids

COMRADES, I HAVE SUCH A QUESTION!And why catch such large numbers of beetles of the same species?Why catch 20 copper bronzes?for beads or souvenirs?Do you think this is just a robbery of natural resources?the ecology is already so bad, why not destroy insects in such quantities!after all, one beetle can give another 100 can lutshe help nature nedelee ruin it???!!Here I look at your photos,why are there so many corpses???will you fry and eat???it's a shame!!!

I agree. Under the pretext of studying individual variability, you can exterminate the entire species, it's like plucking all the leaves from a tree and studying the individuality of each leaf ( you can't find two identical ones !) .

COMRADES, I HAVE SUCH A QUESTION!And why catch such large numbers of beetles of the same species?Why catch 20 copper bronzes?for beads or souvenirs?Do you think this is just a robbery of natural resources?the ecology is already so bad, why not destroy insects in such quantities!after all, one beetle can give another 100 can lutshe help nature nedelee ruin it???!!Here I look at your photos,why are there so many corpses???will you fry and eat???it's a shame!!!

I agree. Under the pretext of studying individual variability, you can exterminate the entire species, it's like plucking all the leaves from a tree and studying the individuality of each leaf ( you can't find two identical ones !) .

I agree. Under the pretext of studying individual variability, you can exterminate the entire species, just as you can pluck all the leaves from a tree and study the individuality of each leaf ( you can't find two identical ones !).

funny.

funny.

Okay. If it wasn't written so funny, it would be too sad.

Awesome! I collect 100 pieces of each type and considered it a lot..., and here)

If you can collect 100 pieces of the same type of excellent quality from one point-take it?

Entomologists almost never need such a thing (they don't even have such a thing as "excellent quality"), and beetle dealers will naturally answer "Yes", although perhaps only to themselves.

Entomologists almost never need such a thing (they don't even have such a thing as "excellent quality"), and beetle dealers will naturally answer "Yes", although perhaps only to themselves.

Read carefully and please don't spam.

Well, as the author says, the loaf is my enemy, but the truth is more expensive
Indeed, except among the messages of collectors and insect dealers, I have never met such a concept as "excellent quality" anywhere))

Well, as the author says, the loaf is my enemy, but the truth is more expensive
Indeed, except among the messages of collectors and insect dealers, I have never met such a concept as "excellent quality" anywhere))

omg
"Entomologist" is already something you and ENO came up with.
If a person wrote something that collects, then, hello, he can just be a collector.

This post was edited by vafdog - 28.01.2018 21: 49

Why would a collector need 100,500 copies of a single species, even of the highest quality? Syllogomania combined with excess living space? Or is he still not only and not so much a collector as a merchant? Well, for this category of people, the only possible answer is "Yes, yes, and yes again" - which is clearly stated in the second part of my previous post.