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RippeR, 03.03.2008 18:49

I suggest posting here links to interesting articles, or just interesting facts found on the Internet / literature/life.

I found this article here:
http://elementy.ru/images/news/coleoptera_phylogeny_700.jpg
on the construction of a phylogenetic tree of beetles based on the study of the sequence of 3 genes in beetles.
the tree itself:
http://elementy.ru/images/news/coleoptera_phylogeny_700.jpg

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04.03.2008 3:22, RippeR

http://atheism.ru/science/science.phtml?id=1255
I do not know what position these animals occupy, but I would take them closer to crustaceans, i.e. they remind me of woodlice, to whom they belong there I do not remember smile.gif
The sight is quite creepy, it's a kind of "alien" smile.gifYou open your mouth to the fish, and there's such a fig thing sitting smile.gif

04.03.2008 8:53, Насекомовед

We have a separate page for the Elements magazine and others: http://entomology.ru/main_menu/bibliography/cyber-ref.htm
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04.03.2008 10:04, amara

I suggest posting here links to interesting articles, or just interesting facts found on the Internet / literature/life.

I found this article here:
http://elementy.ru/images/news/coleoptera_phylogeny_700.jpg
on the construction of a phylogenetic tree of beetles based on the study of the sequence of 3 genes in beetles.



Since your link to the article does not open for some reason, I assume that we are talking about this article here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18096805?dopt=Abstract
The article is very interesting, I advise everyone to read it, it is completely on the Zinovsky site (do a search). http://www.zin.ru/ANIMALIA/Coleoptera/pdf/science_1913-2.pdf
There are also critical comments of our coleopterologists about some places of the obtained phylogenetic tree.

This post was edited by amara-03/04/2008 14: 31
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04.03.2008 22:32, RippeR

Damn, I accidentally posted the wrong link - this link is to the photo of the tree itself, and I found an article on another site:
http://atheism.ru/science/science.phtml?id=1356

05.03.2008 14:16, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg

  http://atheism.ru/science/science.phtml?id=1255
I do not know what position these animals occupy, but I would take them closer to crustaceans, i.e. they remind me of woodlice, to whom they belong there I do not remember smile.gif
The sight is quite creepy, it's a kind of "alien" smile.gifYou open your mouth to the fish, and there's such a fig thing sitting there smile.gif


Thank you, Ripper!

I came up with an execution for those ... (CENSORED-so as not to introduce moderators into sin), who promised everyone everything on TV... Put this beast in their mouths - rivet it so that they don't talk!

05.03.2008 14:49, Juglans

http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/list/2007/Linnaeus.html
Here are articles on the taxonomy of Tizanoptera, hymenoptera, diptera, the origin of butterflies, etc. Some are freely available.
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05.03.2008 19:48, RippeR


which these, on TV all promised to everyone... Put this beast in their mouths - rivet it so that they don't talk!


I don't seem to be catching up at all.. What other ones are these, which ones???? smile.gif

06.03.2008 14:28, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg

I don't seem to be catching up at all.. What other ones are these, which ones???? smile.gif


Uh, Ripper, you live in a different country...

06.03.2008 21:28, RippeR

I'd still like to hear an explanation.. Another country doesn't mean anything yet.. If this is related to television, then our channels are mostly the same, but I don't accept smile.gifit

07.03.2008 1:01, Bad Den

I'd still like to hear an explanation.. Another country doesn't mean anything yet.. If this is related to television, then we have the same channels mostly, but I don't accept it smile.gif

We have held elections this Sunday. Well, as you know, "elections, elections-candidates-..." (c)
smile.gif

This post was edited by Bad Den-07.03.2008 01: 01
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07.03.2008 20:26, RippeR

Ahhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!! Precisely! I forgot sov7....
P, S, I also liked the chant from that movie smile.gif

10.03.2008 12:19, AlexEvs

to Ripper: An insect parasitizing a fish's mouth is truly terrifying! This is probably a crustacean from the long-legged, so it resembles a woodlouse. And those, these who-this in the mouth just right)))

11.03.2008 7:31, RippeR

Aha, there is such a derutat with such a thing in his mouth and says: "we will save you from all the filth" and the nose grows lol.gif
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25.03.2008 12:04, Victor Titov

I don't know, maybe everyone has already seen it (the coat of arms of Russia made of beetles), but just in case I'll give you a link http://www.zin.ru/ANIMALIA/COLEOPTERA/RUS/emblempk.htm
And more http://gazeta.spb.ru/30996-0/

This post was edited by Dmitrich - 25.03.2008 12: 06

25.03.2008 13:32, omar

a person simply has nothing to do with productive and creative work
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25.03.2008 13:51, Victor Titov

a person simply has nothing to do with productive and creative activities

I agree. Ordinary people probably admire it, but I also found this "work" absurd, absurd, tasteless and devoid of meaning.
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25.03.2008 22:44, RippeR

In my opinion, very good design of the collection smile.gifAlways loved collections with taste smile.gif
The species are well spread out, although most of them do not represent anything super-interesting or rare.. True, there seem to be some interesting species from lepturines/weevils/other barbels/milabris..
Even the arrangement is more systematic - weevils next to weevils, barbels mostly in a pile - in one part mainly lepturins, in another other tribes.. and so on
. It really can be called a kind of work of art..
And the townsfolk won't understand it anyway..

25.03.2008 23:10, Bad Den

a person simply has nothing to do with productive and creative activities

I disagree.
For me, the coat of arms of Russia made of beetles is so much better than this "work". Or like this exhibition.

This post was edited by Bad Den-03/25/2008 23: 12
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26.03.2008 0:16, Dabr

If we talk about works of art using insects, it is appropriate to recall one of the most expensive contemporary artists - Demian Hirst (I mean, his "Cancer Chronicles", which went to the manufacture of thousands and thousands of dead flies). On the web, you can find a lot of information about his anatomical hobbies.

Pictures:
picture: Part_1.jpg
Part_1.jpg — (214.53к)

Part_2.jpg
Part_2.jpg — (172.49к)

picture: Cancer.jpg
Cancer.jpg — (63.31к)

26.03.2008 14:39, Victor Titov

In my opinion, very good design of the collection smile.gifAlways loved collections with taste smile.gif
The species are well spread out, although most of them do not represent anything super-interesting or rare.. True, there seem to be some interesting species from lepturines/weevils/other barbels/milabris..
Even the arrangement is more systematic - weevils next to weevils, barbels mostly in a pile - in one part mainly lepturins, in another other tribes.. and so on
. It really can be called a kind of work of art..
And the townsfolk won't understand it anyway..

Well, I don't know... As many people as there are, so many opinions. You can't call this coat of arms a collection - you can't see any labels, and without them, the copy loses its value. By itself, the coat of arms suggests its open demonstration, therefore, the beetles will be exposed to light for quite a long time, burn out. This means that the work will not retain the brightness of the colors for long, and the copies will be irrevocably damaged (i.e., the beetles are destroyed in vain). I do not dispute that a lot of work has been spent, but I personally am not interested in this (I emphasize that this is only my private opinion). And as for the quality of spreading each copy separately, I don't argue - it's great. But I am much more fascinated by the standard, well-labelled rows of beetles in systematic collections, which our distinguished colleagues have repeatedly demonstrated at the forum.
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26.03.2008 16:59, RippeR

I agree-a normal collection is cooler. And this is just a flight of fancy on the topic.. Well, the person wanted to do it, and he did it with high quality. the spread is even. but I like a different type..
In general, it is pointless to argue.
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26.03.2008 18:44, Victor Titov

I agree-a normal collection is cooler. And this is just a flight of fancy on the topic.. Well, the person wanted to do it, and he did it with high quality. the spread is even. but I like a different type..
In general, it is pointless to argue.

We'll decide on that smile.gif.
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27.03.2008 5:07, Dabr

And here's another one. Engraving of the 18th century. Suzuki Harunobu. "Catching insects "(1767)
http://www.kontorakuka.ru/countries/europe...sh/harunobu.htm
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27.03.2008 21:13, Pirx

I read in the latest issue of the magazine " Plant Protection and Quarantine "(Moscow) that there are no earthworms in South America (?!?) Is this true? Or a duck? confused.gif

27.03.2008 23:41, RippeR

It looks like a duck.. smile.gif

I'm interested in another rumor. I haven't seen any articles, but I've only heard them say:
In general, in England or in another part of the Galaxy, scientists have found a new sure way to determine whether a species belongs to the analysis of DNA, like not so long ago.. We checked a bunch of butterflies from different countries and the list of species was very sharply reduced. But they haven't reached the former scoop yet.. And tipo start checking soon and we also expect a sharp decline in species.. Confirm or deny at least someone, and then I vparivayu all smile.gif

28.03.2008 1:41, Bad Den

RippeR, this is probably what PCR means...

This post was edited by Bad Den - 03/28/2008 01: 52
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28.03.2008 2:39, RippeR

and in more detail?

28.03.2008 11:20, Guest

Yes, it is.
(For our fauna, everything is similar. Articles coming soon.)

28.03.2008 14:20, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg

It looks like a duck.. smile.gif

We checked a bunch of butterflies from different countries and the list of species was very sharply reduced. But they haven't reached the former scoop yet.. And tipo start checking soon and we also expect a sharp decline in species..


Calm, only calm... " Oh, how many wonderful mistakes the spirit of enlightenment is preparing for us..."

As far as I know, the molecular methods themselves are still very raw - just look at the instability of the results. However, the worship of everything complex and incomprehensible easily opens the doors of rating magazines to such works. Again, fashion.

I can't help but say something disgusting (after all, I'm Zlopastnyi!), very often such "experts" can't distinguish the "uzhaks" from "hedgehogs" without PCR triumphantly redrawing the classification themselves.
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