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25.01.2013 17:09, Penzyak

... oh, it's a pity I don't deal with bees (on the website for correspondence I was assured that we have specialists in the Russian Federation and in the world you can count on your fingers) and then it would be possible to charge a very pretty grant for the study of wild bees... in the Middle Volga region... while there is something to learn... Although... I don't have a science degree anyway... this means that I will see the grant only on the PC monitor... tf card... philosophy again...

And with the bedbugs, the overlap came out - they broke away from the people in the capitals, they broke away... and all the renovation is probably to blame:

http://yandex.ru/yandsearch?text=%D0%B3%D0...lid=50368&lr=49

In Penza, in some houses and entrances of high-rise buildings, guest workers who rent housing were already beaten in the face thoroughly for spreading "red-skinned" stasiks...

25.01.2013 17:27, Лавр Большаков

And what is meant by real security? Fishing ban? Or the creation of new protected areas (nature reserves)? How many of them have been created in the last 20 years? And how, for example, to protect the catocala kochebea, whose caterpillars most likely feed on fruit trees in coastal villages? Wouldn't the extensive list just turn out to be a weapon against amateur entomologists? Maybe the CC of Russia should limit itself to the list of insects that are present in international protection lists? And for the rest, create a certain register of rare species encountered by entomologists?

Nowhere else in the former USSR has a single CC become a weapon against entomologists in general and amateurs in particular (despite the fact that each region has its own environmental law with fines). Due to the lack of organs that can catch them. Unless some nature reserves have guards who might find fault, but they are primarily concerned with vertebral poachers. In insects, no guard simply does not understand and hardly knows that there are "protected" species in this reserve. Even if he did, he wouldn't be able to identify them.
As for the lists of insects from the "international" (there are no such lists in reality; they are, in fact, narrowly Western European) lists, there are simply very few Russian species. Or those species that are already disappearing among them, and we still (and for a long time) will have the widest distribution. For example, an unpaired chervonets. Therefore, international lists are only suitable as a scarecrow for some of the most incompetent officials.
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25.01.2013 19:08, Wild Yuri

In Primorye for 20 years. Constantly in the woods and various places. Therefore, I dare say that the Bibasis aquilina, Lobocla bifasciata, Satarupa nymphalis, Hesperia ochracea, Aeromachus inachus, Paramidea scolymus, Limenitis amphissa, Limenitis doerriesi, Argynnis ruslana mentioned by Lavr Bolshakov are common species. They can't be added to any lists or apps.
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25.01.2013 19:09, Wild Yuri

Bibasis aquilina literally swarmed in Anisimovka last summer. They flew en masse even in the garden at the dacha. They constantly flew into the house. We sit and have lunch. Aquilina is worn everywhere. "Yes, you catch her! - says a friend. - There is a problem!" I threw her out with a towel, like a fly, on the street. Well, I'm tired of it... And I can tell you similar stories about many other seaside species that are listed for protection.

25.01.2013 19:56, Wild Yuri

And here's more about Arionides... Everyone thinks: a very rare butterfly. Because they leave Primorye until mid-August. And she's just starting to fly in it. A few days are isolated, you think yourself: well, everything, the view is "in decline", and then more, more... And at the end of August - just swarming. In so many places. Shows his tongue to entomologists. We left early! smile.gif

25.01.2013 20:00, AGG

I will repeat many of them, but based on the fact that it is necessary to protect biotopes,and not a specific species, then you need to select the appropriate species: steppe, oak, etc. -those that can really be threatened by plowing/cutting. What's the point of protecting species that live in places where only those who have described them and a couple of other fanatical lucky people have seen it? What threatens them? - Only ONE-introduction to the CCRF wink.gif
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25.01.2013 20:19, А.Й.Элез

I also took a closer look at the lists presented, and I'll add a few words.
Zerynthia caucasica - already discussed on the forum more than once, the range is extensive, the occurrence, except for very bad years, is high; the price of the butterfly in the old price lists was explained, as I eventually realized, by only two factors: artificial heating of the impression of rarity and the rarity of entomologists on the route during the summer of the species. By the beginning of normal summer vacations, imagos have long been absent in the low mountains, and higher up is not the same mass and not the same convenience of extraction.
Proserpine is not common in the MO, but it is not uncommon at the level of introduction to the CC. Flyer, found in various biotopes, including anthropogenic ones.
Callimorpha dominula-the species is local, but where found, it can be numerous.
Agriades pyrenaicus-in the Voronezh Region there are considerable areas where males sit in clusters on muddy puddles, flying quite far from humps with a forage plant (the female mainly keeps to the forage plant). There are enough humps like this, the butterfly on them in the peak of summer is numerous. He likes to rest on the stinky sleepers on the railroad tracks, he likes the humps over the railroad tracks too, and no fool would ever build a mansion there. But, for example, Vikram on those humps is much less common.

This post was edited by A. J. Elez - 01/25/2013 21: 09

26.01.2013 0:10, Wild Yuri

I suggest that everyone send these" comrades " a link to our discussion here. Maybe they'll fix something. Maybe they'll even see it through somewhere...

26.01.2013 0:24, Wild Yuri

Nowhere else in the former USSR has a single CC become a weapon against entomologists in general and amateurs in particular (despite the fact that each region has its own environmental law with fines). Due to the lack of organs that can catch them.

But you are wrong, Lavr Valeryevich. Even as they catch! And it is in the republics. In Tajikistan, "on the avtokrator". In Kazakhstan, "anywhere". In Kyrgyzstan, too, they can. Your author was "caught" in it near Karakol (Przhevalsk). It was a long time ago, but even then they had lists and photos of protected butterflies in the district Committee for nature protection, as well as penalty rates. Barely got out of it... And as in Turkmenistan can "rake"! Germans, Czechs, and many other nations were repeatedly caught with nets, deprived of material, and fined in our republics. Just in Russia, it's just easier to catch. In Yakutia, they can "run over", but this is again a republic... In Primorye, at one time they fought. Now, if you only go into the reserve. So, oh... be careful if you go to the republic to catch fish.

26.01.2013 1:01, А.Й.Элез

That is why I think that Lavr still had in mind the situation primarily in the Russian Federation. But even here everything is based only on laziness and on the presence - so far - of a whole bunch of simpler reasons for extortion. I note that the forum once thoroughly discussed this issue; it was said, in particular,that the fact that insects themselves can be prohibited for destruction, has long been known to any policeman, even if he does not distinguish a bear from a mole. For primary problems on excursions or just when transporting material, this factor is quite enough. In order to "get to the bottom", such an occasion is also suitable. There are no bans on wearing a baseball cap with a visor back, they will not get attached to it, and the fact that insects are now "forbidden to catch", the whole police department and the general public in general have long known, as well as about the existence of some red books there. And in what condition your fees will return (and whether they will return) to you after they are lying around for consideration by near-local literates, especially if you do not pay the compensation, you can imagine. There are examples in my memory. And with policemen in Moscow, and with curious nature conservationists in the Krasnodar Territory (from those who still guard hummingbirds in the person of yazykan). It has long been said here that bans in the Russian Federation are very effective, but they act in the Russian way, i.e. not as a ground for legal consequences, but as a reason for extortion under the threat of legal consequences. So in the Russian Federation, the Red Book bans on insects are still dangerous not so much with direct legal consequences as with indirect illegal ones.
One of the latest examples for the "CIS" is the transportation of some beetles (Red Book banals) from Ukraine to the Russian Federation by railway. d. At the border, the transporting person was told that the beetles were Red Book, that they could not be exported, and the issue was resolved by the fact that the carrier (an almost random person) had to pay compensation out of his own pocket.

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