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Igor1962, 24.03.2012 20:47

once 5 years ago I decided to get a deer beetle . The best thing to do is to dig a hole in the yard with a depth of 1 meter and 1.5 by 1.5 m around the perimeter, throw it with oak leaves , oak stumps and instill the females covered with a deer beetle . If I had done it right away, I would have already had young beetles. Well, I'll do it this year. As an additional food, I will use a banana, homemade wine - and I don't know what is optimal for a deer-maybe there will be fresh thoughts ???

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24.03.2012 21:03, Aaata

drunk deer can also goresmile.gifyou

24.03.2012 21:04, vasiliy-feoktistov

once 5 years ago I decided to get a deer beetle . The best thing to do is to dig a hole in the yard with a depth of 1 meter and 1.5 by 1.5 m around the perimeter, throw it with oak leaves , oak stumps and instill the females covered with a deer beetle . If I had done it right away, I would have already had young beetles. Well, I'll do it this year. As an additional food, I will use a banana, homemade wine - and I don't know what is optimal for a deer-maybe there will be fresh thoughts ???

Do you have enough patience? I didn't encounter it, but I read that the development cycle is up to 7 years old. Heroism, however...

24.03.2012 21:15, Aaata

Someone about 5 years ago was going to breed relict callipogons, since then silence..

24.03.2012 21:18, vasiliy-feoktistov

Someone about 5 years ago was going to breed relict callipogons, since then silence..

Waiting intently probably smile.gif

24.03.2012 22:06, Pall

once 5 years ago I decided to get a deer beetle . The best thing to do is to dig a hole in the yard with a depth of 1 meter and 1.5 by 1.5 m around the perimeter, throw it with oak leaves , oak stumps and instill the females covered with a deer beetle . If I had done it right away, I would have already had young beetles. Well, I'll do it this year. As an additional food, I will use a banana, homemade wine - and I don't know what is optimal for a deer-maybe there will be fresh thoughts ???



try it with fresh thoughts... maybe they really will smile.gif

Seriously,
we should have done this 5 years ago.. and perhaps now you would already have imago, and maybe even +3 years would have fed smile.gifdelov that ...

This post was edited by Pall - 24.03.2012 22: 11
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24.03.2012 22:18, Hierophis

Igor1962, you fill them with home-made braga, they will grow by leaps and bounds smile.gif
And instead of oak leaves, hemp leaves are better wink.gif

Only the main thing is that as they did not succeed, the deer will then blow up all the surroundings in search of braga and leaves))))

http://showtime.delfi.lv/news/assorts/news...u.d?id=10953892
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24.03.2012 22:35, Wild Yuri

Seriously, you need to read the literature on breeding lucanuses. I have experience in Japan, Germany and other countries. Accordingly, there should be websites and publications on the topic. The method of "trial and error" is also, of course, interesting, but I'm afraid the result will come in 30 years, not earlier. smile.gif

25.03.2012 16:07, Oleg Belkin

At the same time, maybe the scolias will get divorced... smile.gif

25.03.2012 16:25, Hierophis

Igor1962, do deer beetles breed in pits in nature? And why do you need extra food if it's like in nature?
If the goal is to breed for commerce, then there is no special meaning, for intersea-just one pig, which can be put in a secluded place, the bottom must be dug up for 30-50cm, and several larvae are inoculated. And if absolutely for observation, then the larvae are grown in special terrariums with rot with closely spaced glasses.

25.03.2012 17:02, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg

I've never worked with beetles, but looking at how they made a mess of the topic:

Type Lucanus cervus in Google, in a couple of minutes I found, for example, in this:

http://entomologia.rediris.es/gtli/engl/four/e/bioluen.htm

"Females lay the eggs in dead tree bark crevices. Females individually lay (Huerta & Rodríguez, 1988) around 20 eggs of large size (3 mm length; Baraud, 1993). " - this is from the article linked above.
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25.03.2012 17:12, Hierophis

Horror, why hieroglyphs smile.gif
Everything is much simpler

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Жук-олень

But still this is not the case, Igor1962 wants to be taught a step-by-step technology for breeding deer beetles, so that there are a lot of them at once, and so that without a bazaar wink.gif

25.03.2012 17:21, Oleg Belkin

... As an additional food, I will use a banana, homemade wine...

Is it possible to take such maxims seriously.... smile.gif
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25.03.2012 18:11, Maksim M.

In my opinion,there are many small tricks in nature that make deer not widely distributed in nature.Not every egg trunk becomes an incubator.Most likely, it is the day of posting that matters.Therefore, the more places that are similar to the habitat, you can probably get a brood of deer, plus 7 years of waiting for a miracle...You will get the dearest deer to your heart,which do not differ from others in appearance.I can't understand the buzz...

25.03.2012 19:44, Igor1962

I've never worked with beetles, but looking at how they made a mess of the topic:

Type Lucanus cervus in Google, in a couple of minutes I found, for example, in this:

http://entomologia.rediris.es/gtli/engl/four/e/bioluen.htm

"Females lay the eggs in dead tree bark crevices. Females individually lay (Huerta & Rodríguez, 1988) around 20 eggs of large size (3 mm length; Baraud, 1993). " - this is from the article at the link above.
Thanks for the link , I figured it out. No further questions . I thought about presenting a photo session later , but a good half of the visitors don't need it ,it's much more important to insert your own word

25.03.2012 21:14, Wild Yuri

In nature, they look for a feed substrate of the right quality: volume, "rottenness", temperature, and in the pit what will they find? "It will be necessary", maybe they will lay eggs. But the larvae will die. They almost have the wrong conditions, "pipe". A familiar entomologist from Vladivostok brought an elm stump with Callipogon larvae to his basement. Already adults. A little extra food - and beetles. As if not so. Half of the larvae were dead, and the rest were dwarfs. The humidity of the substrate was disturbed. Or maybe it's supercooled... In nature, everything is very subtle and complex, and it is necessary to reproduce the conditions for the development of this or that organism, and not try to squeeze it into your own invented or convenient ones.
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25.03.2012 21:26, Hierophis

Well, eggs, no matter how cruel it may sound, can be removed...
And then, except on a whim and analogs in nature, I don't know what that article can help in this case...

Interseno, why familiar entomologist in polval the stump determined...

25.03.2012 23:32, Wild Yuri

So that the beetles do not leave, it is necessary. Turned out to be myself... stump.

26.03.2012 14:00, Igor1962

[quote=Wild Yuri,25.03.2012 18:14]

26.03.2012 14:05, Igor1962

I still don't have it, even in the Dybovsky deer collection, and somewhere in my head sits the idea, and it would be nice to have an ol. Dyb-kom in the pit populate

26.03.2012 15:58, cichrus

Everything is global and thorough, well, the meat broth is too much, it can tighten the pathogenic microflora as a substrate, and the larvae are very sensitive...

26.03.2012 20:29, Hemaris

You will not be able to breed deer with a probability of 99.9%, since for their development they need wood of an early stage of decomposition from the root part of LIVING trees, containing mycelium of certain types of fungi. On farms, lucanids and barbels are grown, as a rule, in live trees.
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26.03.2012 23:25, Pall

Igor1962, and what's a trifle then? can you try to raise 17-year-old cicadas to an adult?

26.03.2012 23:35, Hierophis

Cicadas neprofit smile.gif

27.03.2012 9:48, alex017

I'd rather try my hand at rhinoceros beetles first. I would meditate on a bunch of 4 years old, you see, and the desire to grow disappeared)) We have grown, we know)))
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27.03.2012 19:51, Igor1962

Alex, what were the unexpected difficulties???

27.03.2012 20:41, Бабочник

About 10 years ago, inspired by Japanese herbs, I tried to breed Lucanus ibericus. I did everything according to the described technology and received a dose from 2 females. It all ended banal-in the winter there were accidents at work and missed the time to moisten the substrate with larvae... I haven't tried again since.
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27.03.2012 21:08, alex017

Alex, what were the unexpected difficulties???


Absolutely no difficulties at first glance, except for the years of waiting. True, I grew it at home and the larva lived up to the beetle in about 3 years.
At the same time, in 3 years you see it 6 times, if you are lucky, a beetle appears and again you do not see it for a year (so many adults lived without mating)! That's the fun of it)))
6 times - the number of times the substrate was added/replaced. If you are unlucky and you suddenly see a larva unscheduled, then most likely it has received a kick-ass and all your work is wasted. Cannibalism also happens. Which is also extremely unpleasant.
Plus to your troubles, if suddenly udassa does exactly breed beetles that they tend to degenerate. Before my eyes, at this "deposit" of rhinos, the beetles degraded to 2-2. 5 cm! Copies came across smaller and smaller and smaller.... it remains only to remember what monsters I found in my childhood secretly running away to the "chips" (corootval local pulp and paper mill).

As a small tip: get old pulp affected by brown mold (not white!!!!!), or wood with the same mold, but such a degree of destruction that you can break off pieces with your hand, but at the same time that they themselves do not crumble and do not collapse. Keep the humidity down. And what words can't describe. A lot - they will die and a little - they will not die, but they will "lose weight".
Slow them down and check their size. Accurately track the amount of substrate so that the larva does not crawl in the poop alone.
A place with larvae must be constantly warm!! Keep the temperature around 26-27 in the substrate.

In general, I advise you to have some kind of tropical antlers. They are at least visible in the form of a beetle))
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29.03.2012 15:47, Igor1962

Where to get a trail in Moscow or St. Petersburg. Rogachev or Goliathin ?? The question of moistening is not acute all under the sky, the larvae can migrate both vertically and horizontally as they want

29.03.2012 16:22, alex017

You can take them both in Moscow and not in Moscow, for example, in Bugdesign to ask.

Now I looked at beetles there and sooooo wanted to.....
Please think 101 times before buying.
Under the open sky, there are no problems with humidification? Great. I didn't keep it, I don't know. Rains and droughts....
I used to buy it myself in a Bug.
Tropical only at home you need to keep, not forgetting about the temperature, otherwise you do not need to try.
Good luck!

This post was edited by alex017 - 29.03.2012 16: 25
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29.03.2012 16:34, Maksim M.

The priority of Ukraine in creating insect farms is noticeable against the general background of messages.Bug design has a very attractive inf. site, with well-made photos.There is no deer beetle!!

29.03.2012 20:03, alex017

So understand that they offer a product that can actually be maintained and bred with guaranteed repeatability of the result. This is the point, and there is no point in breeding a deer beetle, there are too many difficulties with an unguaranteed result.
Perhaps they will also provide deer. After all, it is not difficult to write to them.

30.03.2012 14:43, Igor1962

Hemaris shook my confidence about breeding in the stumps, well, I myself remember that I saw holes under live trees on the weekend (presumably zh. deer)- there are no holes under the stumps . Well, a negative result is a result . Already filling the pit

30.03.2012 14:51, Igor1962

over the past two years, oak trees have been cut down very intensively ,the floodplain of the Seversky Donets River is not at all the same as it was 10 years ago, it affected that all the villas, dachas of officials from the police chief to the mayor were put into operation and now they take bribes not with a pine board, but with oak wood

16.07.2012 9:08, Igor1962

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16.07.2012 17:08, Igor1962

comments are as follows: digging a pit, filling it with last year's leaves, oak and lime sawdust, they are in bags and bringing stumps , stumps were brought repeatedly, both in the depth and outside.

16.07.2012 17:12, Igor1962

there are already results and 2 males and one female were found on the rhino beetles pit. This means that they laid their eggs.It seemed that the male was digging out of the ground, the rest were found dry on top. Two female insects were also settled. Deer Just no longer found in the period when they were walking 100%

16.07.2012 17:58, alex017

Congratulations! Any movement is better than inaction.

13.11.2012 23:20, Maksim M.

This is not a deer biotope..IMHO.Rhinos are another bug!

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