Photo #32829: Amphipoea oculea

01.09.2014 1:58, Vasiliy Feoktistov

Cook would later :) But two opinion also good .... Put yet another when the House find myself (at that appearance will be better). Well, would collect a series, but it comes somehow one by one and you can say "mad" is the scoop (very difficult fresh halls).

01.09.2014 1:26, Alexandr Zhakov

It is an opinion and not a confirmation. :) Cook, and it will be defined. :)

31.08.2014 19:52, Vasiliy Feoktistov

Thank you, Alexander. The day after tomorrow downloaded for such loyalty, though, caught a little later, a couple of kilometers. from the place of capture.

31.08.2014 16:59, Alexander Boldyrev

In my view, the definition of Basil - true. A. oculea differs from other larger (relative to the size of the wing) and more rounded kidney-shaped spot. Also, the shape of the wings - shorter and wider than the other species. The site insectamo.ru types Amphipoea defined Matov AY from photographs.

23.08.2014 12:56, Vasiliy Feoktistov

Well, so what came :)
Generally today Pts. bad we fly (due to cold nights, apparently). Sam then zadubela three sheets: a fire had already bred :)

23.08.2014 12:51, Alexandr Zhakov

Yeah, we talked. :)))
Of course, even if necessary, to clean it is not necessary and is not offered, only made a remark on quality. Now we wait when it will be after cooking to put a "for sure." :)))

23.08.2014 12:39, Vasiliy Feoktistov

So for this site there is a jackdaw "view inaccurately defined" (in vague can not clean). Well, then time will tell: the good have something to dance :)

23.08.2014 12:32, Alexandr Zhakov

Basil, I did not say that the site "BUTTERFLIES and beetles MOSCOW REGION" wrong definition. I said that it is impossible to determine the pictures from the site, because they do not show species specificity, there is not any sample, if you take a lot of butterflies each type, then you will see that from the same habit, there are instances in every kind :)))

23.08.2014 12:13, Vasiliy Feoktistov

Well, I personally know the owner of the site where the link resulted in a long time, and to cooperate with him (on beetles, true) .... So I have a reason to trust its definition. And so, yes genitals, certainly. Well, that is assembled male, by the way. It is useful, but only for verification :)

23.08.2014 12:06, Alexandr Zhakov

I do not want to say. I say that kind of Amphipoea reliably determined only on the genitals, in the wing pattern is not species-specific details.Yes, a specialist in appearance, knowing well the local fauna, proven phenology and biology of species living on the set of data may be very likely to say species, and that there are mistakes, if not cooking gene.

23.08.2014 11:56, Vasiliy Feoktistov

Alexander, do you want to say that I was deceiving my own eyes, and you should not believe them?

23.08.2014 11:52, Alexandr Zhakov

It is clearly visible difference - a very nice anecdote, but unfortunately there is no place for it :)))

23.08.2014 11:50, Alexandr Zhakov

Basil, take a scoop 8 is Europe Tab. 3 and see. All websites do usually amateurs, and they wrote a book, which anaziruyut , with all available information. if there is no book, I will send :)

23.08.2014 11:22, Vasiliy Feoktistov

In 3 of the four types of Amphipoea specified for 8 spravochka:
Amphipoea oculea: http://insectamo.ru/hete/98-hete/noctuidae/1363-amphipoea-oculea
Amphipoea fucosa : http://insectamo.ru/hete/98-hete/noctuidae/1361-amphipoea-fucosa
Amphipoea lucens : http://insectamo.ru/hete/98-hete/noctuidae/1362-amphipoea-lucens
How is this habit, they are not defined? It is clearly visible differences. And all kinds of photos I think there are best suited to the Amphipoea oculea

23.08.2014 1:46, Vasiliy Feoktistov

That this male is not so tattered, by the way: http://lepidoptera.ru/gallery/32532
Previous yes, tattered: but arrived early. Alexander, by the way about pronubu remind you that you promised to put there.
I unfortunately only 4 copies. I come, although a candle every night. But we have a lot of it does not happen, and I doubt that her MO of someone else lay out this year (God forbid, that was not right).In connection with this, I wrote the first comment, which has put in inaccurate. And you know why. So as the other two here are inaccurate. "Well I can not spread deliberately undefined" : the two photos here once again is obviously undetectable. This well-assembled: So all is not lost with it.And following your logic: it is necessary to prohibit all upload photos in the nature of all kinds Amphipoea: there are no claims to the quality. Claims to the fact that even in the future will never identify such photos.

23.08.2014 0:59, Alexandr Zhakov

Basil, I know you want the best, we just have different notions about it the better. :) About the balcony, I mean torn Noctua pronuba, know how to read :). Vasily site without a difference, you are fed mosquitoes or not, the first time you see a butterfly in his or not. And every time you upload a photo of poor quality, I give up.About the definition I'm not saying everyone can be wrong, but certainly not defined butterflies spread as certain, well, I can not. Here on this race, there are no precise definitions. Do not confuse the site, with the collection, it is possible to replace everything and sees her man and his guests, and go to the site, hundreds of people, and it is desirable to be respected. :))).Basil, I'm sorry for the harshness, or anything personal, have great respect for your hard work and efficiency. :)))

23.08.2014 0:20, Vasiliy Feoktistov

Yes, I might add. Alexander, is there is at least one photo where you can see the expanded and lower kpylya? Appear: means can be removed: A. Zhakov did not like it .....

23.08.2014 0:04, Vasiliy Feoktistov

It is not from the balcony, and more than a hundred kilometers. from this balcony (read geography). I wonder what-if fed mosquitoes in swamps Meshchera all night? And I do not know, will there be more to catch the light (this year, at least).

23.08.2014 0:01, Shamil Murtazin

Well, there is already a photo ... and without wings to hold the belly of a will)
something like that =) cooking himself for the winter save.

22.08.2014 23:52, Alexandr Zhakov

Laid :))

22.08.2014 23:51, Alexandr Zhakov

If one copy. and so it is better to wait for the better. This applies to all photos, even if for the first time came to the balcony :))) Only if there is no picture at all species, while a few can be worn or very high quality photos. and if a bunch of photos, then what? Just to increase the tsifiryu vyholozhennyh photo?

22.08.2014 23:45, Vasiliy Feoktistov

Well now you can cook in the future :)
And we have to fly (in the region of 8), at this time should theoretically all four species given for the region: the task is the more (

22.08.2014 23:31, Alexandr Zhakov

Basil is very simple, photographed in nature, caught, brewed, identified and placed precisely defined. For straightening, first photographed and then varish I always do, and all that, the truth is, sometimes, varish first, and then you scratch his head, and photos? :)

22.08.2014 23:25, Vasiliy Feoktistov

And the other is not, I said. And if you cook genitalia: without any belly will appear :) Or not? In general, they do not need to put and remove photos in nature at all? Because obviously undetectable?

22.08.2014 23:18, Alexandr Zhakov

And what a torn and shredded on site?

22.08.2014 23:18, Alexandr Zhakov

Habit nothing. need to know what flies, then it is possible that either speak, and with reservations, I only cook them and the percentage of 1/4 of surprises.

22.08.2014 23:15, Vasiliy Feoktistov

Yes, I gathered only one "to the point" :) habit she just oculea to fit most.
And so, yes, I watch out: maybe ask someone to cook (in combination with the rest of the family, coordinate and put for this reason).

22.08.2014 23:08, Alexandr Zhakov

I have it or who did not show. :)
Give let cook and will be exactly, there is a not a photo. :)

22.08.2014 23:04, Vasiliy Feoktistov

So tempted to put it in the exact ..... And it is impossible, but (