Photo #59188: Kirinia sp.

09.08.2016 16:45, Yuri Semejkin

The article Korb S. K. 2014 Designation of the lectotype Pararge epaminondas Lang, 1884 and Lasiommata epimenides var. epaminondas Staudinger, 1887 (Lepidoptera: Satyridae ) is published in the Amur Zoological Journal VI (3) . pp. 282-283. In this report, the lectotype of Kirinia epaminondas ( Lang, 1884) and Kirinia epaminondas ( Staudinger, 1887) are designated and represented as one and the same male specimen stored in a German museum. That's just from the article did not understand. Does the author mean to say that 2 different species are one species ? Can anyone explain ?

09.08.2016 11:56, Yuri Semejkin

Ira! The link is an attempt at an approximate translation in Google. Summary of other authors on the European View (Europe). And then let's say I ask a question. Does it make sense to compare these samples with the European species? ..... dedicated to the designation of the lectotype, the first description of the species epaminondas. The original description of the species is actually called a holotype, not a leucotype. Now this is easier, you don't have to go to organizations that store the sample and place an order. But we digress from the essence of the issue. .

09.08.2016 11:26, Irina Nikulina

Yura, I don't understand what this " link to a summary of other authors on the European species, and maybe subspecies? How does it fit in with OTHER species?"? I also wrote that Stanislav gave in his article on the designation of the lectotype, the first description of the species epaminondas, taken from the book by G. Lang. Where is it written that this is a European species? Type series are often kept in European museums, in particular the type series K. epaminondas is kept in the Museum für Naturkunde an der Humboldt Universität zu Berlin in Germany, and includes 6 copies (3♂, 3♀). S. Korb also worked there with the collection of O. Staudinger.

09.08.2016 1:54, Yuri Semejkin

Follow the given links to the photo. What can I say, the point of view has not changed yet . By Korbu: -His link to a summary of other authors on the European species, or maybe a subspecies ? How it is combined with other types. ? No, I do not mind the possibility of determining these 2 DV types from the images, but based on the DV determinant and the Kurentsov determinant. It is somehow doubtful to refer to the shades and contrast of butterflies that have usually already flown. Maybe I just can't see something ? Therefore, I would like someone from the people to take the underpants of these two types given on the site and without the curvature and direction of the basal stripes (which are not present here) identified the types.

09.08.2016 0:04, Irina Nikulina

Unfortunately, until the end of August there will be neither "official sources" at hand, nor a normal Internet, so I will write from memory what I remembered when dealing with the views 2 years ago. Jurassic, in nature, it is the shade of the wings and the size that first catches the eye – small yellowish-brown low-contrast epaminondas and larger grayish with a more contrasting pattern of the underparts of epimenides. If you compare images of both types, this is also immediately noticeable. But when I dealt with these two species, I also copied the original description of epaminondas from S. Korb's article in the Amur Zoological Journal for 2014. Unfortunately, there is no current issue of the journal or title of the article. The description of this taxon is taken with Korb from the book "Rhopalocera Europæ descripta et delineata" (Lang, 1884: 328)) Даю это описание как в статье – на англ.- «Close to Epimenides, but smaller; the wings are browner and less distinctly marked; beneath, the ground colour of the wings is browner; the hind wings have a central white band, and the ocellated spots, which in Epimenides are enclosed in light yellow rings, are in this species surrounded by rings of an orange-yellow colour». As can be seen from the differential diagnosis for epaminondas, a browner shade in general, a lower contrast of the pattern, a browner color of the underparts, and a central light stripe on the underparts with ocular spots surrounded by orange-yellow rings are indicated, in contrast to light yellow in epimenides. The latter is especially noticeable in females. Here immediately given and straightened butterflies and photos in nature http://www.nabistory.co.kr/nabi-htm/260.htm. And for comparison http://www.satyrinae.yolasite.com/kirinia-epaminondas.php и http://www.satyrinae.yolasite.com/kirinia-epimenides.php As for the definitions on the site, I still have doubts only about my own image and the definition taken 3 years ago. This #24213 Dealt with them later, so now I would probably put this butterfly from O. Russkogo to epaminondas (male). I was also confused by the time of summer, for epaminondas it is given July-August, but I probably shouldn't have been confused, it was the beginning of September. There were quite a few of these small brownish-yellow butterflies, but almost all of them were very well flown, only one more or less undefeated was caught. There was no doubt about the other definitions, including the three photos of Yevgeny. So far, only such considerations.

08.08.2016 17:58, Yuri Semejkin

I would like to clarify the question about two OTHER species of Kirinia, namely K. epimenides and K. epaminondas. I spent half a day comparing images of these species on the Internet, including this site. And I found almost no difference between them. Then I turned to the official source "Determinant of insects of the Far Eastern Federal District of Russia Volume 5, part 5". The difference is indicated there and it looks like the central cell of the bottom of the forewings according to the degree of curvature and the direction of the dark basal stripe. And I do not understand how the definition of K. epimenides was made, in particular . Here, not a single image shows not only the central cell, but in general the front wings themselves ( some fragments). You can partially navigate by the color of the wings. In one species, the color of the main background of the wings is т t/gray, and in the other K. epaminondas, the main background is krl. ♂ brown. But probably in any case it is necessary to have pictures of the underside and top of one individual.

08.08.2016 9:05, Yuri Semejkin

Male Kirinia epaminondas (Staudinger, 1887)?