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Hornets - where are they not available?

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Pavel1, 13.07.2006 15:29

Dear experts of the insect world!

Sorry that the question is a little off topic, I just got desperate to find it on the Internet. The question is: where (in which country/region) are hornets not found? The North Pole is not meant to suggest smile.gifa more or less "civilized" place. The fact is that I have a phobia of these insects since childhood, I can lose consciousness from just looking at them. The period May-October turns into a nightmare, all the time on the street in constant tension. Now, having the opportunity to work anywhere in the world where there is an Internet connection, I am seriously thinking about moving to a place where there are no mentioned insects.

All the articles on the topic that I read on the Internet say that they are "distributed everywhere". But this cannot logically be the case! In the tundra, for example, they definitely do not exist. Another thing is that living in the tundra is unrealistic. So maybe there are more civilized areas? Let's say Murmansk or Iceland or northern Canada for example?

Thank you in advance for your answer.

This post was edited by Pavel1-13.07.2006 15: 41

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13.07.2006 17:03, Chromocenter

Pavel, do you really live in places where hornets prowl the streets like that? Here here come across, of course, but bychno not on the street, and in general there are not many of them, much less than other "ordinary" os.

13.07.2006 17:27, Pavel1

I live in Moscow, in that part of it that can be called environmentally friendly relative to other areas of the city. Near the forest park, hence the problem. In addition, I have to limit myself to nature trips in the summer. Of course, you can not go outside the gas-filled part of the city in the summer, but this is too unhealthy a decision. I would just like to change my region of residence to a "hornet-free" zone.

13.07.2006 18:19, Dmitrii Musolin

I will try to ask experts in close groups, maybe they will advise something or someone knowledgeable...

They are ubiquitous - this is, of course, a bit of an exaggeration, but apparently they are referring to a genus or family, and there may be species that you would not consider hornets...

Pavel, have you ever tried to fight a phobia? I'm not making fun of you in any way, but this is from the arachnophobia series and it can be controlled...

Believe me, living in a different country and in a different climate (and hornets can only be absent in the north and in the desert) is sooooo difficult (I write from Japan). It just seems like you only need the internet...

13.07.2006 23:38, Chromocenter

Yes, I once saw a program about the fight against arachnophobia in national geography. I don't remember exactly what the problem was (something, I think, with spider models), but there is something like that.

14.07.2006 0:16, Tigran Oganesov

Like in Iceland there is no.

14.07.2006 0:55, RippeR

What the?! Isn't it better to go to a psychologist or a hypnotist!? He will heal you and no fear! Even somewhere in the Tundra, maybe in the summer, hornets fly for a week pancake... But running is not the way out! Please contact a psychologist or a hypnotist! The animals aren't scary in themselves, so it's time to delete your blocks..

14.07.2006 9:24, Dmitrii Musolin

http://www.nsk.su/~vvdubat/Dvv_rus.htm

distribution maps
http://fen.nsu.ru/~vvdubat/Vespidae/wasplist.htm


http://www.sci.ibaraki.ac.jp/~jkrte/wasp/vespinae/top.html

and here is a summary of all hornets in the world-the genus Vespa (in Latin) and [=hornets (in English)]
and at the end of each essay - Distribution:
http://www.sci.ibaraki.ac.jp/~jkrte/wasp/vespinae/Vespa.html
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14.07.2006 10:02, Pavel1

Thank you so much! Indeed, Iceland doesn't have them! Given the climate, this is just the perfect place to live.

14.07.2006 13:39, Tigran Oganesov

Yes, in Iceland and I would not refuse to live wink.gifSorry insects are not enough.

14.07.2006 20:52, vespabellicosus

I can recommend Australia. Unlike neighboring Tropical Asia, they are not found there. Yes, I just recently found a report on the Internet about the discovery of a female of one of the tropical hornet species there. There are practically no hornets in Central and South America, in some African countries. Nor are they found in Cuba, Hawaii, and the Bahamas. So the choice of such countries , as you can see, is quite large. Just do not forget that in all these regions there are enough other operating systems, some of them can also be aggressive. In Europe, they live almost everywhere, up to Scandinavia.

15.07.2006 18:16, Охотник за осами

I answer, Central and southern Kazakhstan,they don't live in cities ,sometimes they do,and then somewhere in a God-forsaken grove, far away in the mountains.

15.07.2006 23:10, sealor

And hornets probably don't usually live in cities? That is, as it seems to me, unlike the German ones, they do not strongly gravitate to human buildings. I noticed the same thing for vulgarism.

16.07.2006 10:22, Охотник за осами

no vulgaris on the contrary like to live in attics and roofs

16.07.2006 10:50, Tigran Oganesov

That's right, vulgaris often settles in the attic, and even in leaky walls.

16.07.2006 11:19, Охотник за осами

By the way, they did a fair amount of damage to me, I have a wooden ceiling with a roof, so they chewed a tree to expand the nest, made a hole in the ceiling, began to fly in the room, well, I eliminated them,but still can't do without repair

16.07.2006 11:21, sealor

Well, I don't know, I don't pretend to be specific, but how many nests I met on the roofs and in general in the city - all German. I have never found vulgaris in the pipes of heating mains either. Only in piles of leaves, in the ground, under rotten stumps. in a pile of garbage builds a house, that's where they usually settle. And in general, we have a small number of this species, dominated by German ones.

16.07.2006 11:31, Охотник за осами

we have both those ite, vulgaris are more common,but their families are small and weak,but Germanic has up to 9 cells, with a population of 3000 and above

16.07.2006 12:31, sealor

Here's how, and in our country, despite the small number of families, vulgaris are often formed by strong families. But the German ones can often "distinguish" themselves with three honeycombs of workers and a microscopic uterine one.

16.07.2006 13:06, Охотник за осами

here is so znacht in Kazakhstan the leader germanica, and in Ukraine vulgaris, the queen cells of our wasps are impressive with a diameter of a volleyball ball

16.07.2006 13:15, Охотник за осами

and at the same time in each nest up to 3 uterine honeycombs, but this is the maximum, I once found a nest not to lie the size of a watermelon radiusnests somewhere 50 cm, the diameter of the honeycomb of the working osf is 40 cm, the number of honeycombs is 9, 3 uterine, 2 drone, 4 workers, by the way, one honeycomb must be mixed with drones and workers, this is a stage of evolution, the transition to the highest form of community, that's how bees have all drone cells necessarily on the honeycomb of working bees, we have germanica progressing, by the way, Germanica has a much larger uterus than the worker, unlike vulgaris, where there are more queens, but so significantly

19.07.2006 9:38, Pavel1

Dear participants,

Thank you all for the helpful information. And could you answer a couple more questions, if it's not difficult

1. In theory, the climatic and geographical conditions in Murmansk, for example, are less attractive for hornets to live in than in Iceland. Are they found there? According to the lists of habitats listed here (special thanks to Musolin)
http://www.sci.ibaraki.ac.jp/~jkrte/wasp/vespinae/Vespa.html
this cannot be understood.

2. Just for fun. Bumblebees, for example, are also formidable insects, but for some reason they are very peaceful. And hornets are aggressive. Why is there such a difference in behavior, even if the species is close?

19.07.2006 10:11, Dmitrii Musolin

http://fen.nsu.ru/~vvdubat/Vespidae/crabro.htm
Distribution: Europe, north to 60-64º N (Pekkarinen, 1989).

and after opening this page, you can make a search in the browser, going through the countries. I just checked on Russia - there is only 1 example at the latitude of St. Petersburg. I.e. in Murmansk (about 68 ° N) there should be no one.

Wander around the site of the Karelian Scientific Center. center of the Russian Academy of Sciences and write to entomologists there (in the inst. forests, Inst. biology) -- specifically whether there are hornets in these regions:
http://www.krc.karelia.ru/structure/index.html

But the climate in Murmansk - oh... Not very soft...

I lived in St. Petersburg until I was 27, but I don't think I ever saw a hornet, and I definitely didn't have any problems. I had a stupid experience with wasps... Isn't Peter coming?"

After all, if YOU are SERIOUS about changing your country, I can post your question to Entomol International. list and ask in which countries (in Europe?) no hornets. But there are serious people there and I don't want to bother my colleagues just like that. Write to me at musolin@gmail.com

19.07.2006 13:20, RippeR

come to Moldova! smile.gif In Chisinau, the hornet saw only 1 time and then dead.. Wasps in the bazaar are sometimes found, in general, you can rarely see them.. The climate is good, food and appliances are cheap..
I myself had only one case when a hornet attacked me - in Ukraine, when I was battering them with a net, I didn't catch one, just hit it, it turned around and stung. In all other encounters with hornets (in nature), there were no problems, they did not even fly close!
Therefore, my advice to you is to get rid of these prejudices, because for every old psychological block there are even more new ones (suicide is shorter, such cases are left unresolved). And then choose a country to your liking and a place where the air is cleaner, more pleasant, and not where something and someone is not!

19.07.2006 13:34, Dmitrii Musolin

The Fauna Europae website shows that hornets (genus Vespa) must be in Finland, which is strange:
http://www.faunaeur.org/full_results.php?id=68337
(apparently, in the south - up to 64 gr. n.)

but not in Iceland...

the site has graphs: Distribution --> table, map.

19.07.2006 17:10, Chromocenter

"2. Purely for the sake of interest. Bumblebees, for example, are also formidable insects, but for some reason they are very peaceful. And hornets are aggressive. Why is there such a difference in behavior, even if the species is close? "
The bumblebee is not a predator, that is, for him the animal is in no way a prey, and the hornet at least definitely feeds the larvae exclusively with flesh, and, as far as I understand, anyone has seen them eat frozen sprat. That's probably the point. But in general, a hornet and a bumblebee are not particularly close - one of the bees, the other is a real wasp...

19.07.2006 17:36, sealor

By the way, it is very interesting why bumblebees are less aggressive, because bumblebees have something to protect - they have honey reserves, and larvae. Hornets only have larvae. The same applies to honeybees, no matter how you compare them, and the aggressiveness of bees is much lower than that of the same herm. wasps or hornets. So it's probably something to do with predation. After all, wasps often need to use the sting in practice - to get food for larvae, and bumblebees and bees are much less common, so the strategy of behavior is probably different.

19.07.2006 18:28, Chromocenter

And a bumblebee - like other bees - can only sting once? After all, this is also a strategy for protecting genzda, but not hunting. True, I have heard that if a bee stings an insect, it can pull out the sting.

19.07.2006 18:45, Bad Den

No, bumblebees don't have a jagged sting.

19.07.2006 19:07, Chromocenter

Ah, well, it's logical: a bumblebee individual lives longer and larger, and there are not thousands of bumblebees in the genzda: everyone counts...

19.07.2006 20:17, sealor

Yes, the bee removes the sting from insects. Defense strategy, yes, but still, I can compare how German wasps behave when the nest is disturbed, and bees that I have found in the wild more than once. So-the mobilization of wasps is so strong and complete that it flares up like a yellow flame near the nest, and unlike bees, German wasps are not afraid of smoke, they sting all together. Of course, bees can also be angry, and there are evil breeds, but wasps are out of competition in my opinion. Then, very often there are wasp bites even if you did not touch the nests, wasps sometimes curl around the face, climb into the ears, for clothes, they are looking for something there, and if you press them down, they bite.

19.07.2006 22:22, Chromocenter

Well, it's really a big difference, although I remember there were wasps living on the balcony, so you could look at them closely and nothing. It seems that these were vulgiris. But still - after all, it would seem that both wasps and bees have a goal - to protect the nest, maybe the hunting insitnikt works in wasps in such cases? After all, they should be more aggressive by nature than bees. Well, it turns out "multiplication".

20.07.2006 9:38, Bad Den

Also, perhaps, the fact is that the wasps do not have a clear division of responsibilities between workers? I.e., each individual is a forager, a builder, and a security guard?

20.07.2006 10:15, vespabellicosus

It all depends on your age. Young worker wasps that have just hatched from their cocoons first stay in the nest-take care of the larvae, then the young wasps that have started to fly are engaged in construction. The most experienced wasps - more than 1.5 weeks old-begin to hunt. The same wasp can basically do different things. But the given reference to age is still generally relevant.

20.07.2006 12:44, sealor

"- yes, indeed, a serious difference, although I remember there were wasps on the balcony, so you could look at them closely and nothing. It seems that these were vulgiris. "

Hardly. Here are a few signs in the structure of the nest, what signs were there?
1) The honeycomb is one, with cells down or at an angle, sometimes almost straight, not covered with a paper shell.
2) One or several honeycombs - one above the other, cells down, covered from above or completely covered with a paper shell.

This post was edited by sealor - 07/20/2006 12: 48

20.07.2006 16:50, Chromocenter

Definitely the first sign-the honeycomb was small, "paper" with a diameter of slightly less than 10 centimeters. There were Oss - well, up to about a hundred.

20.07.2006 17:08, sealor

So this is some kind of Polistes, not vulgaris, these wasps are slightly aggressive, they do not have a pronounced difference in the phenotype between workers and queens, they sometimes store a little nectar in their nests, I myself saw both wasps collecting it and drops in cells. Interestingly, these wasps are afraid of smoke, fly away when they smoke and do not sting. They, like bees, do not live in the ground, in the open, and probably therefore they are afraid of fire. Germanic and vulgaris are more likely to settle in the ground, so they are not afraid of smoke. This is my version. It would be interesting to check out the bumblebees.

21.07.2006 15:26, Chromocenter

Vidmo it was Polistes dominulus - in any case, the bugguide pictures are very similar. What is he, a cosmopolitan? it is written that the site on insects of North America. And something there are a lot of these Polistes different, and all seem not so similar to each other... By the way, I remember in the winter there were several wasps on the nest (not one) and they were weak even when it was below zero. To be honest-it's strange, I think, I thought that the nest is founded by the female herself every year.

21.07.2006 15:45, Papont

The Fauna Europae website shows that hornets (genus Vespa) must be in Finland, which is strange:....
(apparently, in the south - up to 64 gr. n.)

but not in Iceland...

What's so strange? In Karelia, hornets live at least up to the latitude of Medvezhegorsk. I've met him several times, though I'm not an entomologist. smile.gif I can't say anything about Murmansk.

This post was edited by Papont - 07/21/2006 15: 47

21.07.2006 15:50, sealor

We also have dominiluses. In principle, cosmopolitans practically, it turns out.
We polisty any species always found a new nest every season, and you probably have the same. You need to watch, next time there should be no one on the old cell. The only thing is that they often have not one female settling the nest, but several. I saw up to three, and they showed pictures where I think there were more than 10 females on one honeycomb!
Almost all wasps are active at low temperatures. This is what the Germans use when they rob bees.
On the old nests, too, we have some females left to spend the winter.
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