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Has anyone ever caught Acherontia atropos?

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unicum, 21.07.2006 17:28

Ladies and gentlemen, For many years, I have been tormented by the question - do I (who live in Kaluga, 180 km from the capital) have a chance to catch Acherontia atropos? If someone caught - tell us the features, time, maybe some baits... Except light, essno

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21.07.2006 17:36, unicum

I understand that for 6-7 pupaars you can buy it from any dealer, but buying exotics that you may never catch YOURSELF is one thing, and species that you still have hope of catching are like signing in front of yourself in absolute powerlessness...

22.07.2006 10:25, Bad Den

and the species that still have hope to catch - it's like signing in front of yourself in absolute impotence...

Well, hope, as they say, should always die last smile.gif

23.07.2006 7:43, RippeR

in non-farmed fields (large ones like this) with chemicals, see if you find a caterpillar.. In the hives of bees, dig in August-October, maybe you will dig something (to your misfortune).. But better in the light.

31.07.2006 19:37, Pavel Morozov

in the middle zone, especially in the conditions of the Moscow region, if you are very lucky (well, VERY lucky), you can, of course, find a caterpillar on potatoes or, say, on bittersweet nightshade.

02.08.2006 9:01, RippeR

in the fall, as a friend who works at the airport says, heads often fly in to warm up on the plane, which is heating up. Perhaps if you put the lamp close to the airport, you can catch something

07.09.2006 20:32, Pavel Morozov

About the "warm up at the plane" friend, maybe, and bent a little. But the lights of the airfield attract them definitely. Hawks of the genus Acherontia (for example, lachesis) fly only to very powerful light sources (Izersky V. V., 1999).
And the fact that they bask on board the plane explains the fact that many butterflies. especially hawkmoth, sit down far away from the light source. The fuselage is usually light and shiny, and it can be attractive to them in the light of searchlights.

08.09.2006 13:52, RippeR

it can also be that light naturally attracts them. But I think that point of view is also correct, since it is cold in autumn, especially at night, so such a place should attract them smile.gif

10.09.2006 16:25, Pavel Morozov

This is an interesting fact: Tinbergen's book "Animal Behavior" describes a case of attracting a hawk moth to an infrared radiation source. The photo shows a hawk moth (Hyles gallii) taking a mating pose at an infrared lamp.
And here it turns out cool - a plane and a butterfly wink.gif

11.09.2006 23:01, Pavel Morozov

We seem to have strayed a bit from the subject. If you want to catch A. atropos in the middle zone, then you need to pay attention to potato fields that are not treated with pesticides. In late summer, you may be lucky enough to see a caterpillar.

12.09.2006 20:55, guest: Андрей

Last year I released several imagos in the Moscow region, so there were definitely some butterflies in the region... smile.gif

13.09.2006 20:57, RippeR

Giving Acherontia to the masses! smile.gif

27.09.2006 9:48, guest: Andrey

This year, a dead head was caught in Voronezh (someone from the MSU biofactory department)

30.03.2007 23:13, клайд

My godfather is a long-time beekeeper, who has seen the living and found the dead near beehives repeatedly in his apiary (near Shklov, Belarus), but he did not bring me any, however... I still don't have it in my collection. I didn't manage frown.gifto spoof it myself . If you are interested in this question in principle, try to catch traps near large apiaries during the active summer, or show a photo of the wanted bandit to beekeepers you know, maybe they will identify you and help you catch smile.gifGood luck...
I have a lot of respect for Brazhnikov myself...

04.02.2008 22:03, zerg69

I personally almost a month of fishing in the vicinity of Sochi, caught on the lamp only one piece, and only in the middle lane...only so far according to books

05.02.2008 10:07, Victor Titov

I have information from Anthrenus that this year they found a pupa in the vicinity of Rybinsk, Yaroslavl region (naturally, during the potato harvest), and bred a butterfly.

This post was edited by Dmitrich - 02/05/2008 10: 16

05.02.2008 10:12, omar

How reliable is this information? And where did you find it? Was it in a potato field? eek.gif

05.02.2008 10:19, Victor Titov

How reliable is this information? And where did you find it? Was it in a potato field? eek.gif

I trust Anthrenus 100%. The girl who found the chrysalis did not know how to properly remove the butterfly, did not put anything to support it (to crawl up and spread its wings), as a result, the butterfly came out ugly. I edited the previous post about potatoes.

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05.02.2008 10:25, AntSkr

Can it be that the butterfly in MO could be in June? Just when I showed her picture to a relative-he told me that he saw such a butterfly in June.

05.02.2008 10:27, omar

It could, but it's very unlikely. The first generation - May-June is very small. Usually the second generation is found in August-September. They're all migrants.

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05.02.2008 12:21, Alexandr Rusinov

I can fully confirm the information about the Yaroslavl region, I personally saw the butterfly that was bred, there is no doubt about the definition, it's a pity the collector's copy is hopelessly damagedfrown.gif.
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05.02.2008 12:42, omar

And I so want to find, in potatoes. When I was young, I dreamed that I would walk through a potato field in August and see a caterpillar. I went and looked, but nothing, nothing weep.gif
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05.02.2008 12:46, Alexandr Rusinov

In modern times, walking through potato fields, you can also get a shot charge in the loin part of the body from the owners lol.gif
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05.02.2008 13:27, Dmitry Vlasov

Or meet wild boars, if the field is remote...
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05.02.2008 13:29, omar

Don't scare me with wild boars. Mermaids didn't scare me cool.gif
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05.02.2008 13:40, Alexandr Rusinov

Or meet the owner of the field, who took you for a wild boar. In this case, you can not get rid of one fraction.
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05.02.2008 13:52, Victor Titov

Most importantly, for 99 out of 100 "potato growers", explanations like" I'm looking for pupae " will be, to put it mildly, unconvincing, and at best perceived as crazy nonsense. Well, the thief did not come up with a way to get off on the move! Or in the psychiatric clinic "open day".

05.02.2008 14:08, Alexandr Rusinov

In principle, you can refer to the mass collection of the Colorado potato beetle for scientific purposes lol.gif

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05.02.2008 14:40, Victor Titov

In principle, you can refer to the mass collection of the Colorado potato beetle for scientific purposes lol.gif

Well, then, for "excuses" (and for decency), you need to collect them in a purse along the way. So that there is something to present when meeting with the owner of the site.
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05.02.2008 14:48, Alexandr Rusinov

In general, seriously, it seems to me that the chances of finding this species by special searches tend to zero. Not so many of them fly to us, most of the potato fields are treated with pesticides from the aforementioned Colorado potato beetle, and in general, such a find is the work of Lady Luck. Although of course, perseverance and hard work can and will bring results...
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05.02.2008 15:01, Victor Titov

And if an experiment: in local newspapers (preferably on pages for summer residents-gardeners, and best of all in some special newspaper like "6 acres"), put a photo of a caterpillar (both color variations), a pupa and advertise: what, they say, for a moderate fee (or for manure, a roll of film I will buy this miracle (naturally, in the necessary condition for life). And a contact phone number. Do you think there is a chance?

05.02.2008 15:07, Alexandr Rusinov

You will probably have to buy back all the caterpillars brought to you, and since most summer residents are unable to distinguish a hawk moth caterpillar from a cabbage whitefly, you will not have enough manure and rolls of film for this.
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05.02.2008 15:23, Victor Titov

Well, I think that here you can refuse not only the caterpillars of whiteflies, but also some hawk moth: a photo for identification is posted in the newspaper! wink.gif And you can add it in the ad: I will buy exactly and only such ones. So, how's it going at the Golden Calf?" "Sawing, Shura, sawing?" Search, summer residents, search lol.gif
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05.02.2008 15:34, entomolog

In 1982 or 1983, On the border of the Belgorod and Voronezh regions, I found a caterpillar of Acherontia atropos in a potato field of the zonal experimental station of the Research Institute of Oilseeds, and even bred an imago.
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27.02.2008 0:29, Hemaris

About cathedrals in the carotophelic fields. Let it be known to you that after flowering potatoes, as a rule, are not processed, and even more so in August. In Belarus, they regularly bring me pupae from potato fields in September. There are still options for the extraction of this species. I often breed this species, plus I know when and where you can collect up to 50-70 caterpillars a day, but not in Belarus.

27.02.2008 16:58, omar

And where? Really in Russia?

27.02.2008 18:51, VIC D

I often breed this species, plus I know when and where you can collect up to 50-70 caterpillars a day, but not in Belarus.


Sergey more than 61 I don't remember, or I'm wrong......

27.02.2008 20:32, Hemaris

Sergey more than 61 I don't remember, or I'm wrong......



VIC D, in 2004 we collected 78 caterpillars with you in three days, but we didn't really work hard, spending 4-5 hours a day and not changing the collection point, plus we collected them once after dark, when we were looking for them by the sound of clicking slits. So your criticism is not appropriate here. Or is there someone here who collected this amount every year?

27.02.2008 20:57, Victor Titov

Hemaris, for the sake of interest, please indicate only the country (Belarus, Russia) and the latitude of this point. We don't expect more than that...

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27.02.2008 22:04, VIC D

VIC D, in 2004 we collected 78 caterpillars with you in three days,


I remembered exactly this figure, and not the one written earlier...We counted them several times....By the way, I confirm the truth of these words!!!!!! ...and not just in 2004, am I right?

Everything that Sergey writes hides one idea. If a person wants to, then he will definitely find it..(this is about caterpillars and more)...and a clear confirmation of this is a person...I speak with knowledge of the matter, we often go with him for material, so that we would not find at least 15 pieces of caterpillars in a day.there were almost no caterpillars of the type that we need (even in bad years)...This simply means that the word no is not acceptable to him.
SERGEY KEEP IT UP!!!!!!!

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