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AntSkr, 07.03.2008 18:16

And how to take tongues with your fingers? There are some problems with them...

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07.03.2008 19:43, Pavel Morozov

In an amicable way, it is optimal to display hawk moth.
Yazykana can be used with a net, and from a net with a stain. I managed to grab them with my hands in my time in the south - and nothing.
Cockroaches have such a special feature-early in the morning at sunrise they can sit in an open place on some rock and warm up. Then it is convenient to cover them with a stain. This method of collecting yazykans is effective only where there are plenty of them.

07.03.2008 19:49, AntSkr

This method of collecting yazykans is effective only where there are plenty of them.

In the Moscow region, there are a lot of them, then not at all. For example, in 2006 they flew a lot, in the past-I saw only 2 times.

07.03.2008 20:41, americanecz

Yazykany in MO???
Here you are for me the news that opened...
That's what I've never met them before...
Yazykans have a problem area with their front wings and "TAIL"...
I took a lot of them in our yugas...
Straight through the net with a syringe BANG!!!
about one in three of them turned out to be virgin clean...
The approach is brutal of course...
But effective...

07.03.2008 20:59, AntSkr

In the Moscow Region, I fished at the dacha, a lot of phlox grows on the site - and since mid-July, they fly over them almost daily. In distant years, of course.

This post was edited by AntSkr - 07.03.2008 20: 59

07.03.2008 21:38, americanecz

What about proboscis? Skobioznogo and bumblebee-like?
I've only met one of them once...
I was walking through a clearing when I heard a rustle in the grove...
I found the source, it turned out to be one of these types...
Unfortunately, it didn't hatch correctly...
And one wing didn't bud... I had to let go...
It was a shame! To the point of horror!!!

07.03.2008 21:43, AntSkr

I didn't catch bumblebees...

07.03.2008 21:53, americanecz

I also brazhnikov fingers from the sides. Normally and cleanly obtained.

Morozzz is probably just a pro!!!
Yes, I agree! Fligmatic, such as wine or lime...
Try to catch the eye with your fingers... Kotoryy until in blood itself boshku about screen not will break not will calm down!
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07.03.2008 22:16, Pavel Morozov

Well, they also fly-they will hang out and also become calmer.

07.03.2008 22:22, Grigory Grigoryev

Ocellates should be removed, and the rest, too. For the Uvropean fauna, this is more effective than catching by light. Yes, and much more interesting ... I checked it myself. Even from a young age, the entire main team (lilac, pine, eye, poplar, linden, bedstraw, both wine) were bred.
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07.03.2008 22:27, Pavel Morozov

According to my own observations, I will add that the ocellates do not really like to sit down immediately on the screen. They hang around and hide somewhere in the bushes. When a weaker lamp is turned on, the eye-shaped hawks fly up to the screen. That's how I collect them.

07.03.2008 22:32, Pavel Morozov

We need to find them right away. Worries then for the whole summer. smile.gif

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07.03.2008 22:44, Pavel Morozov

Morozzz is probably just a pro!!!
Yes, I agree! Fligmatic, such as wine or lime...
Try to catch the eye with your fingers... Kotoryy until in blood itself boshku about screen not will break not will calm down!

it's funny, I remember that in Primorye, Clanis undulosa flew at the light and shied so much from side to side that you had to dodge them. At first, I also tried to "shun" them, but they eventually sat down nearby after a while.

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08.03.2008 8:30, Sergey Didenko

What about proboscis? Skobioznogo and bumblebee-like?
I've only met one of them once...
I was walking through a clearing when I heard a rustle in the grove...
I found the source, it turned out to be one of these types...
Unfortunately, it didn't hatch correctly...
And one wing didn't bud... I had to let go...
It was a shame! To the point of horror!!!

The last days of May and the first days of June of each year are herds of skobiozny animals in the field near the dacha in the Ozuyevsky district.
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08.03.2008 9:56, Pavel Morozov

I suggest that you share information and ask questions on this topic here.
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08.03.2008 9:57, Pavel Morozov

I created a new theme so that I don't have to be particularly offtopic here. smile.gif

08.03.2008 10:21, amara

I read somewhere that, in any case, some of them can not take off immediately, that is, until the muscles are "warmed up". At the same time, the butterfly is in place and shakes its wings finely until the body temperature rises to the desired one. I've never seen it myself.

08.03.2008 11:06, Ilia Ustiantcev

All right. I once mocked elpenor, threw up-flew away, probably, once from the 10th...

08.03.2008 11:28, Vlad Proklov

I read somewhere that, in any case, some of them can not take off immediately, that is, until the muscles are "warmed up". At the same time, the butterfly is in place and shakes its wings finely until the body temperature rises to the desired one. I've never seen it myself.

Why, it's all the fat-bodied moths that tremble so much for snowdrifts, not just the hawk moth.
Haven't you ever seen it?

08.03.2008 11:33, AntSkr

not all, or some very quickly. Some scoops, for example, or erebids take off instantly.

08.03.2008 12:22, amara

08.03.2008 12:39, Pavel Morozov

I read somewhere that, in any case, some of them can not take off immediately, that is, until the muscles are "warmed up". At the same time, the butterfly is in place and shakes its wings finely until the body temperature rises to the desired one. I've never seen it myself.

So in the morning I gathered yazykans in Anapa. I walked along the embankment. They were sitting right on the curbstone, the embankment railing in the rays of the rising sun and "vibrated" their wings like this.

08.03.2008 15:16, PVOzerski

I caught scabiose bumblebees about 30 years ago in the middle part of Pskov region (south of Ostrovsky district), in June. The caterpillars develop there on the bark beetle (Knautia).
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09.03.2008 1:56, IchMan

I caught scabiose bumblebees about 30 years ago in the middle part of Pskov region (south of Ostrovsky district), in June. The caterpillars develop there on the bark beetle (Knautia).

Pasha, it turns out that you are already so middle-aged?! Damn it, how time flies...
As for Hemaris tityus - in the area of Kizhi Island, famous for its open-air museum of wooden architecture (in Karelia), this species was quite widespread in the mid-late 90s-it caught it easily and on flowers and was caught en masse in the Malez trap on rocky meadows... Unfortunately, I haven't seen Yazykan in Karelia yet.

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09.03.2008 2:13, IchMan

In the Greater Sochi area (in Lazarevskoye), I picked up an oleander hawkmoth on a gloomy September day (it was overcast and not hot) - right at the railway station. In excellent condition-sitting, like alive, but not flying. Here, I think, luck, now neatly unasekomlyu it, send-and in the collection wink.gif. He was barely shaking... I didn't want to spoil the skins.... And he shivered-shivered and suddenly as broken... And flew away, and did not promise to return, infection... ;(. So I was left without an excellent copy of the oleander hawk moth...; (
I'm not a collector, of course - my home collection would just cause a grin from most of the local participants (well, that's not what I need in life). He flew away and flew away, I can't cry about itwink.gif, but the memory of him, how beautiful he is, sitting on my palm, fluttering his wings, still lives in me, despite the fact that many years have passed since then...
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09.03.2008 11:29, PVOzerski

Oh, Andrey, don't tell me: I turned forty this year, and I was still a schoolboy then... And there, in the Pskov region, these same hawk moth bumblebees, all tried to bring to the imago - and it did not work: the pupae died. And the caterpillars of bumblebees were very variable, both in color (more precisely, the main color was always green, but the brown pattern was different), and in the shape of the horn. They had very interesting caterpillars of the 1st age: they matched the color of the bark beetle stem and were planted with black hairs or spines - in general, a" fake " for the plant's hairs. And after the 1st molt, they turned into ordinary hawk moth caterpillars.

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09.03.2008 13:14, PVOzerski

That's up to the pupa, I just brought them from the first caterpillar age... And in winter, the pupae died. Already after cooling, and not immediately. However, these are already childhood memories - so I can confuse the details.
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09.03.2008 16:09, Zhuk

So, we need to do our bitsmile.gif
Hemaris tityus was seen in the MO in the Ruzsky district, Rakitino village, but was not caught due to the lack of a netfrown.gif. There I also caught a penultimate caterpillar on Knautia sp. and safely brought out the butterfly.
On macroglossums in the MO generally silent, banal complete...
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09.03.2008 16:54, Ilia Ustiantcev


On macroglossums in the MO generally silent, banal complete...

I've never seen it in my Osuyevsky district!

09.03.2008 16:59, Zhuk

Well, I don't know, maybe it's me in the West they fly so often.

09.03.2008 17:27, AntSkr

I also have frequent flights to SE, though not every year... about a year later...
In general, I catch feeding hawks on phlox in the second half of summer and on Turkish carnation in the first. They are less common in other colors, mainly in the above ones.
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09.03.2008 17:39, Zhuk

Yes, phlox-this is it. I planted them at my house in the village under all the fencessmile.gif, by the way, they attract not only hawkmoth, I go at night with a flashlight and collect a dustpan from them directly with a stain.
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09.03.2008 19:27, Бабочник

"In the vast expanses of the CIS, I'm kind of the only one who knows all the secrets." (C) Hemaris
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And also-extremely modest and very knowledgeable...)))
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" Yes, phlox is the most it. "(C) Zhuk
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Exactly, there is such a letter... Still not bad sweet tobacco....
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09.03.2008 19:43, Victor Titov

In the mid-70s of the last century, when I was in high school, the caterpillars of the bumblebee honeysuckle (Hemaris fuciformis) Every summer I found in the yard of my house (in Rostov, Yaroslavl region) on the Tatar honeysuckle and successfully bred butterflies without any special tricks (I kept the caterpillars in glass jars tied with gauze, gave them fresh leaves every day).
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09.03.2008 21:08, Бабочник

Mitrich, I personally know at least two people in the CIS who have successfully bred bumblebees (different species). Trochi even participated... But, apparently, some "secrets" were still missing... Harasho what do I know about this now! ))) Et more about the post from 12:22...
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09.03.2008 21:51, entomolog

Morozzz is probably just a pro!!!
Yes, I agree! Fligmatic, such as wine or lime...
Try to catch the eye with your fingers... Kotoryy until in blood itself boshku about screen not will break not will calm down!

I put it in the net, raise the dome so that it has a place to fly, wait until it calms down and sits down on the net. After that, I shoot him through the net with a flick to the head. The butterfly lies motionless for a few seconds, during which time I manage to prick, the damage is usually minimal. I do the same with the ribbons.

09.03.2008 22:26, Zhuk

Oh, and I'm right in the net immediately kalyu.

09.03.2008 23:32, Hemaris

That's up to the pupa, I just brought them from the first caterpillar age... And in winter, the pupae died. Already after cooling, and not immediately. However, these are already childhood memories - so I can confuse the details.


Yes, there are problems with scabiose pupae. They are sensitive to humidity fluctuations. Sometimes 100% overwinter normally, and sometimes waste up to 80%. But the main cause of death is the conditions of keeping caterpillars.

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09.03.2008 23:34, Hemaris

Mitrich, I personally know at least two people in the CIS who have successfully bred bumblebees (different species). Trochi even participated... But, apparently, some "secrets" were still missing... Harasho what do I know about this now! ))) Et more about the post from 12:22...


Can I use their email address?

09.03.2008 23:38, Hemaris

In the mid-70s of the last century, when I was in high school, the caterpillars of the bumblebee honeysuckle (Hemaris fuciformis) Every summer I found in the yard of my house (in Rostov, Yaroslavl region) on the Tatar honeysuckle and successfully bred butterflies without any special tricks (I kept the caterpillars in glass jars tied with gauze, gave them fresh leaves every day).


I have written only about the species that develop on herbaceous Dipsacacae (Scabiosa, Scabiosa, villi, glover), namely Hemaris tityus and Hemaris croatica. I spent 5 years working out the techniques.
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