Mourning-cloak butterflies

And I haven't seen them at all this year, in Moscow.

And I haven't seen them at all this year, in Moscow.

Already discussed, and they, it turns out, all went to the Chelyabinsk region

Can I get you a couple of mourning bags?"

Can I get you a couple of mourning bags?"

Unfortunately, they are no longer there.

Unfortunately, they are no longer there.

In 1969, the Ministry of Defense celebrated a mass year of mourning. In 1985 - in the Tula region. Later - in different ways, but in recent years it rarely comes across in the MO; I believe that even those that are bred immediately lie down (estivate, roughly speaking), because in the spring it can be found just when there is still snow, in any year, and in the first days after waking up - completely preserved (except with a whitewashed border), but in just a couple of days the wings, from July to cold weather, are not stripped, they are stripped. In general, in the summer, if you really need it, you can catch on bait (I tried it once, it turned out; hornets and c-album were caught with it).

This post was edited by A. J. Elez - 12.03.2009 19: 26

In 1969, the Ministry of Defense celebrated a mass year of mourning. In 1985 - in the Tula region. Later - in different ways, but in recent years it rarely comes across in the MO; I believe that even those that are bred immediately lie down (estivate, roughly speaking), because in the spring it can be found just when there is still snow, in any year, and in the first days after waking up - completely preserved (except with a whitewashed border), but in just a couple of days the wings, from July to cold weather, are not stripped, they are stripped. In general, in the summer, if you really need it, you can catch on bait (I tried it once, it turned out; hornets and c-album were caught with it).

and what is the composition of the bait?

and what is the composition of the bait?

I have repeatedly encountered mass accumulations on fermenting birch sap in spring and on birch trees damaged by woodworms (or other causes) in summer. The main thing is the smell of sour fermentation. You can proceed from this.

similar situation in 2002 there were a lot of mourners in the Beloretsk district, Republic of Bashkortostan. Recently, they are quite rare.

similar situation in 2002 there were a lot of mourners in the Beloretsk district, Republic of Bashkortostan. Recently, they are quite rare.

At us in Khartkov I caught once probably a stray specimen

I used to catch a stray specimen in Khartkov once

If possible: please provide the exact location and date of the discovery. The last time I saw a mourning room here was in prehistoric times!

If possible: please provide the exact location and date of the discovery. The last time I saw a mourning room here was in prehistoric times!

Kharkiv region.Stary Saltov (the outskirts of the pine forest near the reservoir) on a tall flowering plant with pink flowers fed on nectar...she flew very fast, like a frightened insect...date 05.1998...The butterfly had a white stripe, probably a wintering specimen...but the wings and whiskers are intact.

date 05.1998...

Long ago...

However, I envy you - I wish I could remember in such detail what I saw when I was 8 years old! However, I didn't seem to be interested in insects at all at that time.

Long ago...

However, I envy you - I wish I could remember in such detail what I saw when I was 8 years old! However, I didn't seem to be interested in insects at all at that time.

Well, I even remember how one familiar man who used to catch in 1997 showed me his mourner caught in the village of Vasishchevo, Kharkiv region, and so he told me that at that time the rarest butterfly of ours was:Night peacock's eye-10 UAH, then Mourning-7 UAH, then swallowtail 5 UAH...Thus, my friend estimated the rarity of the insect...

Long ago...

However, I envy you - I wish I could remember in such detail what I saw when I was 8 years old! However, I didn't seem to be interested in insects at all at that time.

I also remember how in 5 or 6 years I caught three polyxenes that flew in on rotten eggs...many more moments from fishing memory

And I remember how in ' 88 in the Kharkiv region, not far from the Eskhar paselka in June, while in the LTO, I caught mnemosyne (and this is in the twenties of June), lilac and linden hawkmoth and went crazy from the frenzied number of deer beetles. Also, for a person from Moscow, it was very strange to collect aspen bushes at this time.

I once even caught a mourning bird in Zaporozhye, although it flew around a lot, but nevertheless. At this rate, they will soon find it in the Crimea.

and what is the composition of the bait?

Sorry for the delay in responding. I did the bait by eye-I diluted honey in water, mixed yeast and let it all ferment (at least a day, in my opinion, or even more). By the way, I took raw yeast (in the sense of those that are sold with a bar, and not with dry granules). I won't say exactly the proportions, because the last time I caught it was about a hundred years ago. But the antiope flies normally, and most importantly-the female flies. And the male goes well (like many males of nymphalids, whiteflies, pigeons, satyrs, sailboats, i.e. everything that is daytime) on mud, on an under-dried puddle. In good years, right in packs. On a sick birch tree in the north of the Orel region, I met 7 female mourning birds on one crack. True, a sick birch of sufficient size is a rare thing, mostly you have to use the birch during the usual sap flow period, i.e. catch overwintered butterflies in the spring. But in the spring, you can also make a good incision on the birch yourself (preferably earlier), with diagonal drains and pockets in the bark, so that juice accumulates and ferments, and the females do this normally. But this, again, is spring. In the Moscow region, for example, the number of wintering diurnal years in a normal year begins with the last days of March (the earliest individual in my memory flying in the wild is urticaria from March 13; I, of course, do not count those who were accidentally kicked out of the shelter in an emergency way-for example, when sawing poplars around the city, when the January weather warmed up or the February thaw between the frames in a country house, etc.)

By the way, if there is an apple orchard where extra thick branches were cut off no more than during the season, then where the cuts were not completely filled with paint, mourning women gather on puddles and juice drips (in particular, I have repeatedly observed this in Moscow along Kutuzovsky (now) Avenue opposite Victory Park, there is a good apple orchard the garden. They are also collected for such cuts as c-album, urticae, polychloros, xanthomelas, and catocals. I have never marked Io on such cross-sections. Bronzes, musky sawyers-go.

This post was edited by A. J. Elez - 03/21/2009 01: 54

There is another way. Take honey, preferably red, rather than light or dark, such as chestnut (the latter is better to eat yourself because this, in my opinion, is the best of honey) and mix it with "live" beer. Let it stand, ferment. I won't tell you the proportions and fermentation time - I do it "by eye". Then I smear it on a burlap screen with tripwires attached to it. If the mixture dries up (although the insect flies well on it anyway), then you can lightly sprinkle the screen with water before and during operation.
Be careful - in Siberia, my colleagues gave me an ultimatum not to use this trap, because the bear goes perfectly to this mind-blowing smell!

Another good way to get overwintering Nymphalis adults is to find a colony of first-instar caterpillars and feed them at home. It's easier to feed a steamed turnip, and it's very easy to find if you search purposefully. Only it will be impossible to drive away from the tracks for a long time, and the season itself is after all.

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As told by a friend in Kharkiv and the Kharkiv region caught this butterfly. In Kharkiv - in the area popularly called Red October, not far from the existing cemetery there. In the region - the village of Buymerovka.


So I would like to pay attention - in the computer definers " Day butterflies (Hesperioidea and Papilionoidea, Lepidoptera) Eastern Europe. I. G. Plyushcha and company, indicates that

..- I will not agree, in the summer of 2000 I personally observed 2 specimens of males in the city of Yevpatoria.

Andrey Aleksandrovich, how can we reliably distinguish a male from a female in N. antiopa without capture?

As told by a friend in Kharkiv and the Kharkiv region caught this butterfly. In Kharkiv - in the area popularly called Red October, not far from the existing cemetery there. In the region - the village of Buymerovka.
So I would like to pay attention - in the computer definers " Day butterflies (Hesperioidea and Papilionoidea, Lepidoptera) Eastern Europe. I. G. Plyushcha and company, if anything-I will not agree, in the summer of 2000 I personally observed 2 specimens of males in the city of Yevpatoria.

Buimerovka is located in the Sumy region. Reliable recent finds (confirmed by factual material) in the Kharkiv region are unknown to me. If there are any, please let us know.

About the Crimea - if not a mistake, then there will be a revolution in faunalism. Do you have a confirmation?

Buimerovka is located in the Sumy region. Reliable recent finds (confirmed by factual material) in the Kharkiv region are unknown to me. If there are any, please let us know.

About the Crimea - if not a mistake, then there will be a revolution in faunalism. Do you have a confirmation?

Unfortunately, there is no documentary evidence regarding the Crimea, I was then there on vacation in a sanatorium, on the territory of which they were noticed - of course, it was not possible to catch a crouching butterfly without a net
So apparently we will have to wait until the breakthrough in faunistics

Andrey Aleksandrovich, how can we reliably distinguish a male from a female in N. antiopa without capture?

according to my observations, in females, the width of the border will still be wider than in males
. and when a butterfly sits down in front of you at a distance of a meter and a half and sits for a couple of minutes,you can still see it.
I do not claim to be correct in determining the sex, but in this case, I still think the fact of the presence of the species itself is more important, and not its gender.

This post was edited by Reanimator - 10.08.2009 20: 07

  
So it seems that a breakthrough in faunistics will have to wait

A breakthrough in faunalism has already taken place!
http://babochki-kryma.narod.ru/files/lib/Sirenko_Crimea.pdf

A breakthrough in faunalism has already taken place!
http://babochki-kryma.narod.ru/files/lib/Sirenko_Crimea.pdf

However, the merry ones are one. They must have lost their compass...

What do butterflies eat? My sister feeds them sugar and water. is such feeding possible?

and what is the composition of the bait?

The simplest one: 1 kg of sugar + 1 l of water = sugar syrup. Add yeast. The bait is ready. About honey and beer have already said.

I also remember how in 5 or 6 years I caught three polyxenes that flew in on rotten eggs...many more moments from fishing were remembered

In 2006, I tried to catch dead-eaters on rotten eggs - nothing worthwhile came out, because I didn't catch it correctly!!! Thank you for reminding me, I'll have to go fishing for such a fragrant bait sometime.

with "live" beer.

But you, my dear, are a gourmet. It will be too expensive to use live beer. It is better to use "Ochakovo" - cheap (it is not expensive) and angry (it is unpasteurized and is caught on it well).

I caught a couple of Mourning butterflies on the 4th of April,so the female is still alive - I didn't think they were so long-lived...the butterfly, however, is not slightly battered...
I never laid my eggs.

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Lucky you.And in the Ivanovo region, they did not exist, and do not exist. Only one meeting in the last five years.

Good evening! I will share my observations. In the area where my dacha is located (Voskresenki-Tatishchevo, Istra district), I have not observed mourning women since 2003. But this year in the spring (May 9) I was visited by one battered individual. And hope appeared in my soul, and the bait, the recipe of which was kindly shared by other forum participants, did its job: an individual from a new generation flew to it (July 19)!

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Is it possible to catch a mourner in the Donetsk region, and if so, where?
The Annotated List of mace-whiskered lepidoptera of the Donetsk region (2000) indicates that they should be in the north of the region, that is, in the forests near Svyatogorsk. Is there any evidence of this in recent years?

Is it possible to catch a mourner in the Donetsk region, and if so, where?
The Annotated List of mace-whiskered lepidoptera of the Donetsk region (2000) indicates that they should be in the north of the region, that is, in the forests near Svyatogorsk. Is there any evidence of this in recent years?

Not exactly an answer to the question, but: in the Kharkiv region, reliable finds in the last 10 years are unknown to me. (If I am reasonably refuted , I will be happy. ) I searched for it myself, but without success. At the level of rumors, however, there is information about the finds. Therefore, in the Donetsk region, the probability is even lower, although apparently non-zero. I do not know anything specific about the Donetsk region.

This post was edited by Kharkovbut - 07.10.2010 01: 20

The Annotated List of bulbous lepidoptera of the Donetsk region (2000) indicates that they should be in the north of the region,

Not "should be", but a specific find:

"Nymphalis antiopa antiopa (L.) *
Material. Ocd. Slavyanogorsk, 12.05.1998, berezovy kolok (V. L. Perepechayenko) - 3 copies"

Thank you for your clarification.

Good evening!
I want to share my observations on the behavior of mourning women. We have a new generation, the bait is the same (honey+water+yeast) - and the result is again successful! But this time I decided to observe her behavior after all. The butterfly descends on the bait, while circling around it for a long time, and after landing enjoys the "mead" until someone scares it off. It flies away, but within the range of visibility of the bait, and sits down so that it becomes completely invisible (either under a tree branch, or on a house, shed, etc., merging with the surrounding background). An hour and a half she sits like this, and then makes a new "approach". But the most annoying thing is that during such a meal, the butterfly always folds its wings! And only in rare moments of changing positions does it reveal them...

This went on all day... It was only after six o'clock in the evening, when the bait was in the shade, that my test subject once again flew to the nearest bushes and opened her wings, basking in the rays of the setting sun. It was at this moment that the second shot that I had been waiting for all day appeared: not against the background of a white rag, but against the background of nature. The photo hunt was a success!

But the most interesting thing is that the next day at exactly 8.50 the butterfly was already sitting and "hungover" with the remains of yesterday's brew!