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Ragweed leaf eater does not eat ragweed

Community and ForumInsects biology and faunisticsRagweed leaf eater does not eat ragweed

ИНО, 13.07.2016 19:36

Here is a paradox: Zygogramma suturalis, of which there are a lot in Donetsk this year, is eaten by everyone except Ambrosia artemisiifolia. In the spring, I met on various autochthonous cruciferous plants, the last time-in general on mullein. At the same time, ragweed runs rampant very close by - not a single gnawed leaf. In general, I have never met a single phytophage on this plant, and when I began to identify this leaf beetle, I was very surprised that it was ambrosia.

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17.07.2016 19:34, Guest

In Soviet times, this leaf beetle was very helpful financially to the ZIN Insect taxonomy laboratory. Oleg Vasilyevich Kovalev (specialist in Cynipoidea) launched this project, releasing the beetle into nature, and having received fantastic funding for those times, and later-for this and his own laboratory as a reward. And part of the golden rain fell on other Zin taxonomists, who, in addition to various trifles, had the opportunity to implement many expedition projects. The main thing was to be loyal to or not pay attention to the personality of the project designer and the high goals announced by the project... well, behave like now or something ))) .
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17.07.2016 23:25, ИНО

That is, there was a golden shower at the exit of this leafhopper, but was there ragweed at the entrance? Pedivikia reports that in the experimental field he ate all the ragweed at the root, is this true or fake? Today I took a picture on... asparagus:

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But on ragweed - I still can't, they're not there, and that's all. Although the ragweed itself is higher than the roof, and the leaves are whole to a single one.

18.07.2016 22:34, Guest

K o v a l e v O. V., Vecherniy V. V. Description of a new wave process in populations on the example of introduction and dispersal of ambrosia leaf beetle Zygogramma suturalis//Entmol. obozr.- 1986. T. 65, No. 1. - pp. 21-38.

If there is such an article, then I ate, apparently. Otherwise, it would be completely anecdotal.

18.07.2016 23:04, ИНО

So I forgot how to eat ragweed and learned to eat other plants. He also had an unexpected ability to fly in his new homeland, according to the same article in Pedivikia. In general, miracles in a sieve!

By the way, any description of the weather dynamics of populations as a cyclical function of time causes me persistent indigestion since the forced indoctrination of the Lotka-Volterra model at UNI.
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19.07.2016 1:03, Guest

The article describes not the weather dynamics of the beetle, but the nature of its spread from the center of mass reproduction/release in nature. I.e., the comparison is literally with the spread of a physical wave (water, fire ...). And since there was money for the project - the horse was not lying around - knowledgeable mathematicians worked with matmodels and there should not be any mess.

It's just that things will be a little different at different densities. And other densities will be when the invasion settles. As the beetle itself (oligophagus) may well change its preferences over time (due to the changed population structure). His colleague in fate and brother in taxonomy (both genera from Doryphorina) - Leptinotarsa seems to be not such a pest in France, where it was introduced in the 20s of the last century.

In short, on the project, you can paraphrase the verse quoted on the forum by A. S. Danilevsky:
But [Koleo]opters,
Those that are small in size,
Warm our faith
In the biometric scam. )))))

19.07.2016 1:23, ИНО

Oh, there it is. I'm a long way from libraries these days, and I can't read the article. The name is strange, what you have just described has nothing to do with waves as a physical phenomenon. A wave is not a movement of matter (bugs) at all. In the case of the beetle, if I understood the description correctly, it looks more like the genesis mechanism of "witch circles". It is vaguely similar to the wave, but this is purely an external similarity. Well, it's not that interesting compared to the paradox I noticed. And it consists in the fact that this beetle apparently stopped eating ragweed, if not at all, then to a significant extent. At the same time, the transition to other plants cannot be explained by competition from fellow humans: we still have a lot of ragweed, there would be enough for everyone. But for some reason they don't eat it. It's a pity: I have a terrible allergy to her pollen.

21.07.2016 0:41, ИНО

It's done! Finally managed to catch this bug eating ragweed! And more than one:

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Obviously, ragweed attracts them only after reaching a certain stage of development, namely the beginning of budding. It would be better, of course, if they destroyed it at the stage of germination at the root. Now the plants are already so impressive that these few beetles are like pellets to an elephant. The hope is that there will be more larvae and their appetites are appropriate.

At the same time, there is also unpleasant news: I discovered the first cultivated plant chosen by this leaf beetle - jerusalem artichoke:

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It is not clear, however, whether they eat it, or simply chose it as a substrate for mating. But someone is definitely eating it - there are a lot of nibbles on the leaves. And jerusalem artichoke is almost a sunflower. And sunflower is the most important agricultural crop in Donbass. Then think for yourself...

21.07.2016 5:48, alex017

The photos are beautiful!
In order not to depend on pests, diseases and weather, it is necessary to fully implement GMOs. And nature is just to admire.

21.07.2016 12:50, Hierophis

Well, Esox as always - something he does not have, then someone does not set something, and then it turns out that there is and eats )))

22.07.2016 0:14, ИНО

Pan Alex, why GMOs? Maybe it's enough just not to release American insects without weighing all the pros and cons? Let's assume that in an experimental field planted exclusively with ragweed, these beetles really ate all of it by the roots, but perhaps it was worth checking in fields planted with something else, including cultural ones?

22.07.2016 5:52, alex017

Come on, it's just your usual local bug.

22.07.2016 22:19, ИНО

Come on, it's just your usual local bug.

Sir Alex, don't scare me like that. After all, liberalism is not equal to complete insanity (though close). Write something else and ambrosia is our local, but America has nothing to do with it.

25.07.2016 10:56, alex017

You're scaring yourself pretty well there. I'm not scary)
Do not see the tricks of the State Department everywhere and in general the traces of an American toothless dog. They've been acting so unprofessional lately that I want to spit at them and slap them in the face. Idiots ' pieces.

25.07.2016 22:54, ИНО

No, it is you who frighten me, and I mean the growing fear for your mental state. What does the State Department have to do with it? I understand that in the distant "Hungry Urals" not everyone knows that several types of ragweed and the leaf beetle that feeds on them were brought to Europe from America not so long ago, but you could at least Google it for the sake of decency. Why do you make yourself look like an idiot, and for one thing (as a person debating with you) - and me? Or is this a specific type of trolling?

26.07.2016 5:52, alex017

No one brought them to you on purpose. We also have immigrants in our region. And nothing terrible happens.

26.07.2016 6:32, ИНО

The beetle was just brought in on purpose. And as for ragweed, hardly anyone can say with complete confidence.

21.08.2016 4:30, ИНО

Finally, ragweed has seen any significant consequences of the leaf beetle's activity.

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But this is only in one place, where a stunted low ragweed initially grew on poor soil. By the way, I heard that in America it only happens like this. But on the fat chernozem, which occupies the vast majority of our land area, ragweed grows huge, waist-deep, and leaf-eaters can't do anything against it, no matter how hard they try. But the most interesting thing is that there are much fewer leaf beetles on these large plants. However, eggs have been laid on them and the first larvae have already hatched, which is now all hope.

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Fears about eating tapinambur were confirmed: they eat and shit on the leaves.

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I should probably write a note somewhere, even if beetles aren't my type to suck. I also recently discovered that this beetle eats yarrow.

This post was edited by ENO-08/21/2016 04: 32

20.09.2016 20:33, ИНО

According to the results of the inspection of many ragweed plants on September 17, only 1 adult leaf beetle was found and, very strangely, not a single larva! So I did not see any larvae older than the 1st age. Did someone eat them all? Very disappointing result regarding the prospects of biomethod. Ragweed continues to bloom and bear fruit in full force, and no one eats it (except aphids).

21.09.2016 10:37, Penzyak

What I don't understand is why ragweed has different leaves EVERYWHERE in the photos - do we have several types of them???

21.09.2016 20:30, ИНО

There are captions under (or above) the photos. Anything that isn't labeled as asparagus or jerusalem artichoke is Ambrosia artemisiifolia, and its leaves are all the same shape (if not chewed).
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