Identification of Hymenoptera (wasps, bees, ants)

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26.05.2012 23:09, Gansucha

It's definitely not Therion, most likely something from Erigorgus? I do not exclude Aphanistes, because I do not remember anomalonin. The general habit of all serpovokas , as representatives of the subfamily are called in Russian, is quite similar. It is necessary to drive by the key.
Females have an ovipositor, usually protruding beyond the end of the abdomen (sometimes much, as in xylophage parasites), while males usually have only aedeagus paramers at the top of the metasome. Compare your photo with the ones shown here

I understand about the male, thank you !
Why not exactly Therion ?
Of Aphanistes, they are suitable for their range and more or less appearance:
http://cse.naro.affrc.go.jp/konishi/types/...bellicoides.htm
and http://cse.naro.affrc.go.jp/konishi/types/...es%20iwatai.htm
Of those Erigorgus that I found, both don't seem to fit - the antennae are black, although I don't know if this is a key sign:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Erigorgus
http://www.commanster.eu/commanster/Insect...uBees/Erigorgus

27.05.2012 9:21, СергейС.С

I understand about the male, thank you !
Why not exactly Therion ?
Of Aphanistes, they are suitable for their range and more or less appearance:
http://cse.naro.affrc.go.jp/konishi/types/...bellicoides.htm
and http://cse.naro.affrc.go.jp/konishi/types/...es%20iwatai.htm
Of those Erigorgus that I found, both don't seem to fit - the antennae are black, although I don't know if this is a key sign:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Erigorgus
http://www.commanster.eu/commanster/Insect...uBees/Erigorgus

the male is subsem. Anomaloninae, tribe Therionini
and Erigorgus, see p. 433m3, Chst3 (green identification of the European part)
Riders can't be identified from pictures - they're not butterflies. This is what they study.

The post was edited by SergeiS.From-27.05.2012 09: 22

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27.05.2012 11:46, алекс 2611

I understand about the male, thank you !
Why not exactly Therion ?
Of Aphanistes, they are suitable for their range and more or less appearance:
http://cse.naro.affrc.go.jp/konishi/types/...bellicoides.htm
and http://cse.naro.affrc.go.jp/konishi/types/...es%20iwatai.htm
Of those Erigorgus that I found, both don't seem to fit - the antennae are black, although I don't know if this is a key sign:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Erigorgus
http://www.commanster.eu/commanster/Insect...uBees/Erigorgus

Well said "Riders are not defined by pictures-these are not butterflies. This is what they learn." After all, even the subfamily has already been suggested. If you are interested in the species, then drive along the determinants, since they are quite accessible. Believe me. you will not get anything useful when comparing with the photos available on the network. It is necessary to open the determinant in any way.
And it is also not worth adjusting by area - the areas of riders are not very well studied. Look at the index of insects of the Far East - with a more or less thorough study, so many seemingly European species were found there.

This post was edited by alex 2611-27.05.2012 11: 49

27.05.2012 18:47, Gansucha

Well said "Riders are not defined by pictures-these are not butterflies. This is what they learn." After all, even the subfamily has already been suggested. If you are interested in the species, then drive along the determinants, since they are quite accessible. Believe me. you will not get anything useful when comparing with the photos available on the network. It is necessary to open the determinant in any way.
And it is also not worth adjusting by area - the areas of riders are not very well studied. Look at the index of insects of the Far East - with a more or less thorough study, so many seemingly European species were found there.

alex 2611, Sergeis.With
many thanks for the subfamily: serpovki-sounds !
Unfortunately, I don't have access to qualifiers other than those found on the Internet.
He just said it wasn't Therion, so there was a reason for it, so he asked.

This post was edited by Gansucha - 27.05.2012 18: 52