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18.09.2009 11:49, Buzman

Please tell me, whose larva is this? The body length is approximately 35 mm. Central (North) Caucasus, Kabardino-Balkaria, Elbrus region, Shkhelda gorge, 2000 m. 30.08.2009

This post was edited by Buzman - 18.09.2009 12: 00

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18.09.2009 12:34, PVOzerski

That Pamphagis is for sure. Some kind of Paranocaracris or something close. The female. And, most likely, imago.

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20.09.2009 19:03, Furslen

Asked to identify several straight-winged birds, something can be said from such photos? All Southern Urals

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This post was edited by Furslen - 09/20/2009 19: 07

20.09.2009 22:20, Vlad Proklov

Asked to identify several straight-winged birds, something can be said from such photos? All Southern Urals

2 - Psophus stridulus

21.09.2009 8:06, Guest

1 -Dociostaurus sp., 3 - Chorthippus ?dorsatus ?dichrous

22.09.2009 16:21, Валерий А.

Tell me the name of the view.
21.06.2009-Kazakhstan, the vicinity of Alamata.
Thank you in advance.

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22.09.2009 20:13, PVOzerski

Tettigonia sp.

22.09.2009 20:22, Vlad Proklov

Tell me the name of the view.
21.06.2009-Kazakhstan, the vicinity of Alamata.
Thank you in advance.

Not Saga sp. is it?..

22.09.2009 20:39, Alex KNZ

This is Tettigonia caudata 100%.

This post was edited by Alex KNZ - 09/22/2009 20: 49

23.09.2009 20:38, PVOzerski

Tettigonia, of course... I don't remember the range of T. viridissima, but the fact that there are no black spots on the hind thighs suggests it. However, the rear legs are photographed very indistinctly. In addition, T. caudata mistshenkoi lives practically without spots in the Tien Shan Mountains and, apparently, in the mountains of the neighboring part of Kazakhstan.

P.S. Judging by the Agricultural Atlas, T. viridissima should also be there.

This post was edited by PVOzerski - 23.09.2009 22: 33

24.09.2009 2:40, Alex KNZ

Both species are found there, judging by the photos of people who post a large number of photos on the Internet. Judging by the agro-atlas, yes, there is a viridissima. But Viridissim's eyes were the whitest I'd ever seen. Only caudates. Then look at the front and second legs. They also have black specks. And on the hips of the black dots as I understand it are not visible. But if you look closely at the right thigh, closer to the knee, you can see them very faintly. These specks can be stronger or less pronounced. And finally, although it doesn't matter so much anymore, the belly is definitely from Caudata. I caught both species this summer and specifically compared them.
Caudata's belly was just like the one in this picture. Viridissima's shape was completely different (and neither with white, but with yellow stripes, although this does not mean anything).
Some more facts.
The head is massive. The ovipositor, if you look closely, is quite long.

This post was edited by Alex KNZ - 09/24/2009 02: 53

24.09.2009 9:00, PVOzerski

Yeah, I could see the spots , but they were on my left leg, not my right. It seems to be caudata smile.gif

This post was edited by PVOzerski - 24.09.2009 09: 02

25.09.2009 20:31, Sungaya

Probably banals, but I don't know
them at all Please Tell
me MO, Shatura, September 2

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25.09.2009 20:48, Alex KNZ

1. SNAPPING FIREFLY Psophus
stridulus L.
2. BLUE-WINGED FILLY
Oedipoda coerulescens L.
In the Red Book of the Ministry of Defense have the 3rd and 2nd category of rarity, respectively. In shatursky district-not guarded, as far as I remember.
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13.10.2009 1:06, Carn

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Montenegro, June-July, southern slope of the mountain, available in large numbers, squeak, while mostly found higher up the slope, among grass and rare shrubs but not quite in the rocks,

the bulk of grasshoppers/locusts more similar to those found in our forests are located lower down the slope, in thickets of shrubs

is this a phase of metamorphosis, or a separate species?

13.10.2009 1:19, Vlad Proklov


Montenegro, June-July, southern slope of the mountain, available in large numbers, squeak, while mostly found higher up the slope, among grass and rare shrubs but not quite in the rocks,

the bulk of grasshoppers/locusts more similar to those found in our forests are located lower down the slope, in thickets of shrubs

is this a phase of metamorphosis, or a separate species?

Ephippiger sp.

13.10.2009 8:23, gumenuk

This plastinokryla grandson brought from Turkey. Can I define it more precisely?

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14.10.2009 9:15, PVOzerski

Similar to Acrometopa - but I can't guarantee it.
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14.10.2009 9:28, gumenuk

The fact that Acrometopa is correct. I would like to specify the form.

14.10.2009 9:54, PVOzerski

Jacobson (1905) had a definitive tableau. I don't know how good it is, though. In my opinion, this genus was not considered irrelevant for the USSR by Bey-Bienko in "Fauna". I'll check it out later. If I can spare the time , I'll copy the definition table from Jacobson (although I can't guarantee it).
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14.10.2009 10:16, Vlad Proklov

The choice is between A. servillea and A. syriaca.
In the "Fauna" of Beibienko, this genus is considered; in males, it is necessary to look at the genital plate: if it is dissected more than to the middle, then A. servillea, if it is less, then A. syriaca.
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15.10.2009 7:43, PVOzerski

Here is a definitive plate of species of the genus Acrometopa from Kurt Harz:

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15.10.2009 8:55, evk

A few questions:

1.? Asiotmethis muricata
Astrakhan region, Russian FederationDosang, June 2009.
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2. Oecanthus ???
Volgograd, on light, 10.09.2009.
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3.? Phaneroptera falcata (it seems to be nothing else, but just to be sure smile.gif)
Volgograd, Naidenov's beam, 13.08.2006.
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4.? Poecilimon sp.
g. Volgograd, Naidenov's beam, 3.08.2008.

15.10.2009 9:00, gumenuk

Here is a definitive plate of species of the genus Acrometopa from Kurt Harz:

Thanks, but I couldn't use it. To do this, you need to know two things: the language and terminology. I'm not good at either weep.gif

15.10.2009 11:38, Vlad Proklov

A few questions:

1 - Asiotmethis muricatus/tauricus
2 - Oecanthus pellucens/turanicus
3 - Phaneroptera falcata/gracilis
4 - Leptophyes albovittata
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15.10.2009 21:08, evk

But what about this "animal"?
I understand that the group is complex and the region is not the Moscow region, but it can ... This view is now the background in the settled and steppe stations, and right in the city.
Volgograd, Naidenov's beam, 15.10.2009.
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16.10.2009 11:19, gumenuk

Can you tell who this baby belongs to?
Moscow region, Ramenskiy district, khripan

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16.10.2009 16:03, BUTTERFLY

Please help me determine:

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16.10.2009 17:19, PVOzerski

gumenuk: Chorthippus sp., possibly Ch. apricarius. Larva of the 3rd (penultimate) age.

BUTTERFLY: Chrysochraon dispar, adult female.

Evk: The band is really very complex - Chorthippus from the biguttulus / brunneus band.

This post was edited by PVOzerski - 10/16/2009 17: 20
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16.10.2009 17:28, evk


Evk: The band is really very complex - Chorthippus from the biguttulus / brunneus band.

Can snapshots of details (angles, floors) help? Or does the appearance not work?

This post was edited by evk - 10/16/2009 17: 37

16.10.2009 20:00, PVOzerski

The shape of the male elytra can distinguish the true Ch. biguttulus from others. The rest - different authors have different opinions. I have none frown.gif- because I didn't travel around the country much. Recording songs could also help. But the trouble is that often 2 or even 3 species live side by side in the same place.

16.10.2009 20:33, Alexander Zarodov

Can snapshots of details (angles, floors) help? Or does the appearance not work?


In my humble experience, you only need to listen to this group (we have 3 main types-they are easily distinguished). And the females are generally a dark forest...

16.10.2009 20:33, evk

The shape of the male elytra can distinguish the true Ch. biguttulus from others. The rest - different authors have different opinions. I have none frown.gif- because I didn't travel around the country much. Recording songs could also help. But the trouble is that often 2 or even 3 species live side by side in the same place.

Well, if you rely on the work of Savitsky V. Yu. (I sent it to you), then there is no typical biguttulus or brunneus in our region! Ch. mollis and Ch. maritimus are listed as close relatives from this group. This couple looks, as I understand it, does not differ in any way, except for the song.
In addition, the genus includes Chorthippus macrocerus, Chorthippus paralellus, Chorthippus karelini, and Chorthippus dichrous for Volgograd. Here, in fact, is the whole selection.

16.10.2009 22:44, PVOzerski

The choice is less smile.gifThan All those listed in the penultimate sentence (from macrocerus to dichrous inclusive), you can safely throw away - they are very different. As for Savitsky's work, it is, of course, true, but "it is incorrect to say that elephants are not found near St. Petersburg, we must say that they are not found" ((c) E. A. Ninburg)... In fact, even in our North-West, brunneus and biguttulus have somewhat different phenologies during relatively short summers (although adults overlap in time, brunneus is winged much earlier). I wouldn't be at all surprised if they are even more spaced in time in the south, and some biguttulus here generally takes wing by September. Benediktov (2005) cites, for example, Ch. porphyropterus from the same biguttulus/brunneus group from the Volga region, and Ch. biguttulus from the Altai. All this is supported by bioacoustic data. So figure it out here smile.gif

16.10.2009 23:08, evk

The choice is less smile.gifThan All those listed in the penultimate sentence (from macrocerus to dichrous inclusive), you can safely throw away - they are very different. As for Savitsky's work, it is, of course, true, but "it is incorrect to say that elephants are not found near St. Petersburg, we must say that they are not found" ((c) E. A. Ninburg)... In fact, even in our North-West, brunneus and biguttulus have somewhat different phenologies during relatively short summers (although adults overlap in time, brunneus is winged much earlier). I wouldn't be at all surprised if they are even more spaced in time in the south, and some biguttulus here generally takes wing by September. Benediktov (2005) cites, for example, Ch. porphyropterus from the same biguttulus/brunneus group from the Volga region, and Ch. biguttulus from the Altai. All this is supported by bioacoustic data. So figure it out here smile.gif

I agree! Savitsky worked b. h. for the first half of the season - and what's going on here in August-October ?.. Let's leave the question open for now. Thanks!

17.10.2009 18:56, evk

Well, I'll put the male Chorthippus to the female posted earlier. It may help you determine!
Volgograd region, tipchakovo-zlakovo-sagebrush steppe on sandy soil, 17.10.2009.

17.10.2009 20:27, PVOzerski

If I saw such a thing in a field in the North-West of Russia, I would not hesitate to attribute it to biguttulus because of the wide costal field. In any case, the beast does not look like either mollis, brunneus, or miramae. But I do not know porphyropterus and maritimus by habit. in addition, it is not a fact that the female and the male belong to the same species. Here brunneus and biguttulus often sit and sing side by side. Because of this, I can't even instruct my students to do work on the color variability of these species (and I don't undertake it myself, which I very much regret). And if you still have the opportunity-try to record a song!
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17.10.2009 20:48, evk

If I saw such a thing in a field in the North-West of Russia, I would not hesitate to attribute it to biguttulus because of the wide costal field. In any case, the beast does not look like either mollis, brunneus, or miramae. But I do not know porphyropterus and maritimus by habit. in addition, it is not a fact that the female and the male belong to the same species. Here brunneus and biguttulus often sit and sing side by side. Because of this, I can't even instruct my students to do work on the color variability of these species (and I don't undertake it myself, which I very much regret). And if you still have the opportunity-try to record a song!

Well, here, really, I can't vouch for the fact that a female and a male of the same species were taken ... And with the song this year is unlikely. They don't sing much anymore - you rarely hear a short trill. Even here it's already autumn frown.gif. Maybe I'll get ready for next year. Curious though!
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20.10.2009 21:46, Alexander Zarodov

Here is this horse I have on the song recorded as brunneus. MO, early September. But the pronotum confuses something...

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21.10.2009 15:41, PVOzerski

How would you like to listen to this song? Can you post it somewhere?

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