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Identification of Orthoptera (grasshoppers, crickets, etc.)

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Dracus, 13.09.2005 22:22

Could you help me identify a grasshopper, the one I mentioned in the topic "Color Loss"? The genus has already been identified - Rhacocleis, but with the type of problem.
Grasshopper caught in Turkey, near Alanya in a pine forest.
Low-quality scan

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14.09.2005 8:45, Дзанат

My scan didn't open for some reason!

14.09.2005 22:25, Dracus

Hmm. It doesn't really open. Well, it's small (for the sake of its small size, I underestimated its quality significantly), I'll post it right here:

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17.09.2005 15:37, Dracus

Interestingly, no one has yet been able to identify the grasshopper.
And here are the scans of the mysterious cockroach. The quality is disgusting, but this is all I could squeeze out of my old scanner. Body length - 7 mm. People, help me determine!

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03.10.2005 17:02, Dracus

LYUYUDIII!
Please help me identify this pyrgomorph, because Yakobson, Mishchenko, and Beybiyenko, as well as the Check-list of the Turkish Orthoptera, do not mention this species eek.gifat all .

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03.10.2005 19:27, Dracus

Thank you, but I've been there more than once and downloaded many images... they have already helped me once, but this is clearly not the case.
Jacobson mentions such sawtooth, flattened whiskers in pyrgomorphs, but does not specify which ones. Whether a nymph starts or not is also not very clear, there are no traces of wings, but among the pyrgophorphs (there is no doubt that this is a pyrgomorph), wingless species are not uncommon.
The "miracle" was caught in a pine forest right on a bed of needles, and its color at that time (and even now it is noticeable) is clearly patronizing, under the pine bark (does it also crawl along the trunks? confused.gif ). I looked for more, but no luck.

But the strangest thing, as I said, is that nothing like this is mentioned for Turkey (at least in old books), unless it is some exotic form of Pyrgomorphula.

Therefore, I really count on the "help of the hall" mol.gif

04.10.2005 15:13, Diogen

I recommend that you also give data from labels in addition to the image. Useful sometimes...

09.11.2005 22:25, Dracus

mol.gif Please identify the locust larva, which I have no idea about. I understand that it is a thankless task to determine the larva, but I still really ask the specialists to try, at least to the level of the family. The quality of the scans is poor, but this is all that I squeezed out of my old scanner - the larva is small, 1 cm in length. Some possibly important features: the median keel of the psp is high, not crossed by transverse grooves; there are wing rudiments; the crown is dissected along, as in pyrgomorphs and pamphagids, but the sculpture of the hips is correct. The larva itself is broad but smooth. Caught in the south of Karachay-Cherkessia, Orlyata pass, 2200 m above sea level, on a rock in the snow zone (!), on lichen. It was in July (if it's important, I can copy the label here in full). The sex of the larva is female.
Thank you in advance!

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10.11.2005 10:14, PVOzerski

I'm afraid it's almost impossible to identify a locust larva. The best I can recommend is to search for the qualifiers. Exactly one was written by Rubtsov. In my opinion, another one is Bey-Bienko. Naturally, they are tied to some limited geographic areas, but, IMHO, this is better than nothing. You may be able to find out at least the tribe.

10.11.2005 12:29, andr_mih

to Dracus

Very similar to Nocaracris sp. (cyanipes, etc)
Look at the articles on the fauna of these places, there are not so many pamphagids there.

10.11.2005 12:38, andr_mih

Yes, if there are wing rudiments-definitely not cyanipes

16.11.2005 19:52, Dracus

2 andr_mih
It looks like you're right: by all indications, this is indeed N. cyanipes. I wonder what I take for wing buds, then... smile.gif
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18.11.2005 19:54, andr_mih

to Dracus

Returning to your Turkish orthoptera: why did you think it was a pyrgomorphid? I would say that this is the most natural pamphagide. If you rely on their checklist, it can be a male Acinipe davisi, for example.

21.11.2005 21:02, Dracus

2 andr_mih

22.11.2005 19:30, andr_mih

Here, I found a photo of Acinipe calabra:
http://www.dipbot.unict.it/ctnatura/fauna/...tna/Acinipe.jpg
Сама страница: http://www.dipbot.unict.it/ctnatura/fauna/ortotteri.html
I can't send anything to your email address, it's hidden : -))))

22.11.2005 23:06, Dracus

23.11.2005 22:00, andr_mih

to Dracus

What's so confusing about the crossed keel? The same is true for Prionotropis and Asiotmethis.
Here, in the picture of Acinipe muelleri, transverse furrows are also visible:
http://www.biologie.uni-ulm.de/cgi-bin/per...id=T&mode=thumb
I'm not saying that you have exactly Acinipe, maybe just a close family.
Try to find it by excluding it from the Turkish list of species. In general, a very useful site:
http://www.biologie.uni-ulm.de/cgi-bin/sys...yno=on&valid=on

to Bolivar

Well, I have never seen karakurt, but they say it will be the size of a cherry or gooseberry. And my spiders are no bigger than black currants. So it's not grossa at all?

23.11.2005 23:51, Dracus

Thank you so much for the link, the site is really very cool.
After reviewing all the photos on it, I was convinced that you were right (regarding the family). Therefore, the question is-how then to confidently, 100% distinguish pamphagida from pyrgomorphida?
The great similarity between my species and one of the nymphs Acinipe muelleri is really striking. On the other hand, there is a slight similarity with Porthetinae. But perhaps this is indeed a close Acinipe genus. Once again, I would like to express my gratitude to you. cool.gif
Do you happen to know anyone who specifically deals with pamphagids (so that they can be accurately identified)?

This post was edited by Dracus - 11/23/2005 23: 58

24.11.2005 21:36, andr_mih

to Dracus

I do not know how to distinguish these families with confidence. You need to smoke a good determinant - I don't have one. I don't know any pamphagid specialists either, so try looking for them in Zina or the Zoo Museum. But who exactly is friends with the Pamphagidssmile.gif
http://140.247.119.145/africa/album/image/...d_pamphagid.jpg

25.11.2005 11:27, PVOzerski

In Zina, I'm afraid no one is currently dealing frown.gifwith pamphagids

01.12.2005 19:49, andr_mih

to PVOzerski & BOV:

The green filly in the corner is not Paracinema, but also some kind of Heteracris. Green grasshopper nymph with a white back - in my opinion, this is Metrioptera bicolor. Green grasshoppers-Tettigonia caudata, the male is definitely, and both larvae are probably the same - they are very spotted.

Speaking of tettigonias, can you help me identify my grasshopper?
http://caelifera.narod.ru/Ensifera/Tett_uss_m.jpg
It was brought from Primorye, I can't say the exact place, at first I thought it was Ussuri (and who else?), but now I doubt it: maybe T. orientalis, which is not in
the determinant.

02.12.2005 16:16, PVOzerski

2andr_mih:
As for the grasshopper larva , I insist on my own versionsmile.gif, since the summer memories are still fresh, when I brought extremely similar (including in color) larvae from Astrakhan to St. Petersburg and grew Platycleis grisea to an imago. And here the larva is not even the last age - it is difficult to predict whether the imago is full-winged. But can we agree on the Platycleidini tribe? smile.gif

23.01.2006 1:03, BO.

Help identify locusts, taken in the Astrakhan region. all images are taken almost at the same time.

DSC05190.jpg -I expect Asian locust (Locusta migratoria migratoria)

This post was edited by BO. - 23.01.2006 01: 06

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23.01.2006 3:27, Tigran Oganesov

It doesn't look like it. Here are the locusta nymphs, male (~37mm) and female (~45mm). Single phase.

PS As it turned out, this is not Locusta, but Anacridium aegyptium

This post was edited by Bolivar - 23.01.2006 22: 34

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23.01.2006 15:22, BO.

It doesn't look like it. Here are the locusta nymphs, male (~37mm) and female (~45mm). Single phase.


"Asian locust (Locusta migratoria migratoria), a subspecies of gregarious insects of the species migratory locust (L. migratoria). Adults are 35-55 mm long, gray-yellowish-green or green; elytra with brown spots. The larvae of the solitary phase are green, yellow, and black, while the gregarious phase is orange with black spots. "
In the photo, I assumed an adult Asian locust according to the description.
And on the previous one, a nymph . Only the green one . So not right ?

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23.01.2006 15:41, Vlad Proklov

It doesn't look like it. Here are the locusta nymphs, male (~37mm) and female (~45mm). Single phase.


I don't think they look very much like locusta. The second nymph looks more like an Egyptian filly. Is not it so?

23.01.2006 15:45, Vlad Proklov


In the photo, I assumed, according to the description, an adult Asian locust.
And on the previous one, a nymph . Only the green one . So not right ?


It's not entirely clear what you mean. If what is in this photo is Locusta migratoria, then by. This is an Oedipoda of some sort, probably coerulescens.

And Locusta migratoria (single form) looks like this:
http://www.biologie.uni-osnabrueck.de/oeko..._migratoria.jpg

This post was edited by kotbegemot - 24.01.2006 23: 26
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23.01.2006 19:28, andr_mih

My version:
DSC05190.jpg -the nymph is most likely from the n / a family. Epacromiini (Aiolopus, Epacromius, Paracinema, etc). The cerci are not visible, however, so the Heteracris version cannot be
used. исключить.DSC05291.jpg -female Chorthippus sp., most likely from the biguttulus group (porphyropterus, brunneus) or M. b. vagans-the wing is poorly visible. And in general, self-testing is a thankless task.
DSC05761.jpg-Heteracris adspersa-Speckled Filly
DSC05224.jpg -Heteracris pterosticha-Melon filly (the one on the site has better visible cerci). Yes, look back a few pages and they've already assigned you someone.
Dscn0031.jpg and Dscn0032.jpg -Anacridium aegyptium, an Egyptian mare, nymphs of different color variations. And no locusta here нету.DSC05887.jpg
- Oedipoda can be not only coerulescens, if the hind wings were not blue-then definitely not.
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23.01.2006 21:54, Tigran Oganesov

to kotbegemot and andr_mih
Your true Anacridium is this. Thanks! For some reason, I stubbornly thought that it was locusta, it probably closed wall.gif
BO, my apologies.

23.01.2006 23:02, BO.

Thank you very much!

Totally confused . This
http://photo.bov.com.ru/m_nas/kuz/7.jpg
Locusta migratoria ? or is it still Heteracris ?

This post was edited by BO. - 23.01.2006 23: 18

24.01.2006 16:45, PVOzerski

Heteracris pterosticha, no doubt. Finally, I also recognized smile.gifthat I caught a lot of them on the weeds on the Garni-Geghard road in Armenia in the 80s. The color was slightly different. But a long mustache with white tips is very characteristic. In general, living Catantopinae s. l. are very characterized by longitudinal stripes on the eyes-they immediately differ from Oedipodinae.

DSC05190.jpg - in my opinion, the larva of Heteracris adspersa is of the latest age. The animal is also familiar from the Ararat Valley.

This post was edited by PVOzerski - 24.01.2006 16: 51
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09.02.2006 12:56, ТриУнгУлиН

rakusr is bad but maybe someone will tell you in more detail which of the fillies...

Kiev, park, July.

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09.02.2006 13:28, PVOzerski

The angle is really unimportant. There is a guess that it is a female Chorthippus albomarginatus. Here is a photo of this species, the definition of which I have no doubts (Ruchy station in St. Petersburg) - pay attention to the shape of the lateral keels of the pronotum:

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20.04.2006 21:48, BO.

Help me identify the cricket. ~1-1. 5 cm . Astrakhan region.

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20.04.2006 22:28, Guest

Help me identify the cricket. ~1-1. 5 cm . Astrakhan region.


It looks like the nymph A. domestica.
The rest are somehow black, then with longitudinal light stripes on the head, and this one is transverse. Moreover, in the desert zone, he seems to live in the wild.

I tried to make a preliminary list of the Russian straight-winged birds and looked at it, rejecting it by the exclusion method:
Long Moustache Short
Moustache
Maybe there is something to add or fix?

Another thing is that I don't have images of some views frown.gif
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20.04.2006 22:31, Vlad Proklov

Sorry, the post above was me.

21.04.2006 19:53, guest: а

The cricket is not necessarily home-made. Maybe Burgundy (bordigalensis) quite. It is difficult to pin down the larva unambiguously.

21.04.2006 20:02, guest: a

kotbegemot,
A list of the erect wings of Europe (Heller and others... ~1999) is missing from your sources. By the way, it also already needs to be added / corrected
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21.04.2006 20:20, Vlad Proklov

To: guest: a
Still confused by the size: in the photo, the cricket is from a centimeter to a half long. T. burdigalensis is an adult of this size. And this is a winged species. Or is there a wingless form? Similar in color, of course.

P.S. Thank you for the tip on the work of Heller et al. We'll have to find it.

This post was edited by kotbegemot - 04/21/2006 20: 21

24.05.2006 18:35, Dracus

Real locust. A nymph.
Karachay-Cherkessia, Orlyata pass, 2100 m, 14.07.2005
Please define at least up to the subfamily. weep.gif mol.gif

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