Definition of ground beetles of the genus Carabus

06.07.2007 9:07, omar

06.07.2007 9:21, Aleksandr Safronov

As for the Miroshnikovi series, I think it will be possible to arrange it, but only in Moscow. Closer to winter.

That would be great!

06.07.2007 12:46, Bad Den

And now I can reliably identify them

And how?

06.07.2007 12:56, omar

With the help of Dmitry Obydov

07.07.2007 1:17, RippeR

07.07.2007 12:33, RippeR

08.07.2007 15:30, RippeR

08.07.2007 16:34, Nilson

08.07.2007 17:33, Aleksandr Safronov

I have Hygrocarabus-label-Sakhalin. Are there any H-s's out there?? And what types?

No, it's fantastic. There are no representatives of the subgenus Hygrocarabus on Sakhalin. Two species - variolosus and nodulosus (although the latter is often listed as a subspecies of the former) - are purely European and cannot get to Sakhalin in any way.
Sp. variolosus Fabr. - a species native to the Carpathian Mountains (Romania, Moldova, Western Ukraine). Sp. (ssp.) nodulosus Creutz. - Northern Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia, Eastern and Central France.

This post was edited by Entalex-08.07.2007 17: 55

08.07.2007 19:10, RippeR

Nilson:
The fact is that I don't have any labels that will be available later. Are there any clear signs?

Entalex:
same thing.. the bug labels are not the same.. Therefore, the poke method will not be able to find out..

08.07.2007 19:16, Aleksandr Safronov

Entalex:
same thing.. the bug labels are not the same.. Therefore, the poke method will not be able to find out..

I'm sorry, in this case, without the label, it's just an exhibit. You can post a photo of the karabus in this forum. Maybe someone will help with the definition, although it is impossible to distinguish variolosusa from nodulosusa from the photo.

This post was edited by Entalex-08.07.2007 21: 11

08.07.2007 21:13, Nilson

Nilson:
The fact is that I don't have any labels that will be available later. Are there any clear signs?

This is for the luminaries, for the Caucasians I have nothing sensible

08.07.2007 22:02, RippeR

so always

09.07.2007 8:10, omar

Now we will be able to finish off Caucasians from photos with a clear locale!

11.07.2007 20:53, 89640379

Please help me identify these three loci. I caught them while I was in high school. Right now I've already graduated from the institute, but I still don't know the exact views.
This one was caught 20 km south of Yekaterinburg in a mixed forest in a lowland near a forest stream (361 m above the sea). Length - 20 mm.

The second one was caught in the south-east of the Sverdlovsk region in the floodplain of the Pyshma River (on the ground in Bushes). Obukhovsky health resort. Length 25 mm. There are quite a few of them there, but they have never come across more than 25 mm. On average, it is 22-24 mm long.

The third was caught in the city of Yekaterinburg in the South-Western district of the city in the courtyards. The courtyards there are full of greenery-poplars, birches, mountain ash. Length 22 mm.

Here. I can't tell from the pictures on the Internet. Help if you know these beetles.

11.07.2007 22:28, RippeR

12.07.2007 0:28, Guest

12.07.2007 8:28, Aleksandr Safronov

12.07.2007 8:47, Aleksandr Safronov

Please help me identify these three loci.

It looks like these animals:
1. Carabus (Eucarabus) arcensis Hbst., 1784 (female).
2. Carabus (Megodontus) aurolimbatus Dej., 1929 (female).
3. Carabus (Archicarabus) nemoralis O.Mull., 1764 (male).

12.07.2007 21:19, 89640379

Okay, I'll try to post other photos.

Arcensis?


So this pair is definitely Megodontus? I thought that it was tomocarabus marginalis. M. Violaceus like a European species and in western Siberia (from the place of capture to Tyumen just around the corner) should not be found in theory. And for aurolimbatus, they seem rather small. Or is this how the cold climate affects the size?


Well, since everyone believes that this is nemoralis, then I specifically went outside and picked up a real nemoralis near the entrance (it's on the right). Nemoralis-s we have in the city more than cockroaches, and it is impossible to walk to work without accidentally crushing a couple. And they're all like this one on the right. That is, purple. And the one on the left is really very similar to them, until you put them next to each other. And the color is completely different. Therefore, I ask for help in determining. A mutation?

P. s. In general, in Yekaterinburg and the surrounding area was spotted by different people 18 species of carabus, 3 krasotela and 1 cychrus. I personally managed to collect 11 species already. And right around the city (in my area) nemoralis,granulatus,and convexus prowl openly. And in parks, you can theoretically find calosoma sycophanta (I didn't find it).

12.07.2007 23:02, Aleksandr Safronov

These angles don't change anything. My opinion is the same. 2-definitely not C. marginalis ( in general, the presence of this species in your area is questionable for me personally). As for the small size of C. aurolimbatus, it is clear that southern individuals will be larger. Well, C. nemoralis-I think that's it. Green-tinged aberrations are rare in this species, but they do occur. Since it is a male, it is naturally slimmer and narrower than the female next to it.

This post was edited by Entalex - 13.07.2007 10: 47

12.07.2007 23:20, RippeR

isn't it bad with the beetles out there
about the carabus: it looks like an archcarabus. Apart from nemoralis, there are no other archicarabuses in Russia. So, most likely just such a" geek " got

12.07.2007 23:22, RippeR

89640379:
go to entomology pins

13.07.2007 10:27, omar

13.07.2007 19:30, 89640379

Well, thank you all very much!
So the final result is as follows:
1. Eucarabus Arcensis.
2. Megodontus Aurolimbatus.
3. Archicarabus Nemoralis, greenish.

p. s. what happened to aurolimbatus in the Moscow region now?
p. p. s. And where to get entomological pins? in pet stores?

13.07.2007 21:25, RippeR

the most real thing is to order from Muscovites..
And also try to spread the beetles well and your collection will be perfect.
And also visit the site - there is a lot of useful information here

25.07.2007 22:56, Furslen

Here's a question about this ground beetle, like Carabus granulatus, but confused by the size of beetles in the population-10-12 mm, Chelyabinsk region

26.07.2007 13:12, omar

26.07.2007 16:33, Aleksandr Safronov

26.07.2007 22:28, RippeR

26.07.2007 22:31, Furslen

27.07.2007 8:10, Aleksandr Safronov

And can I get a better photo of the smallest copy next to the ruler, so that the gradation is clearly visible?

27.07.2007 8:34, omar

30.07.2007 13:25, rpanin

I join the request. I haven't been surprised by anything for a long time.

100 % - granulatus. Well, here's the size ?!

03.08.2007 20:50, Aleksandr Safronov

Yes, after a request for clarification of the stated information, Furslen disappeared somewhere!? Maybe a new subspecies describes?

This post was edited by Entalex - 03.08.2007 23: 28

05.08.2007 21:40, RippeR

he has already defended his doctorate on this and left for Europe..

17.08.2007 22:15, REDBOOK

he has already defended his doctorate on this and left for Europe..

Is this your dream come true?)

Lena is on vacation, she gave the beetles to the Ilmen Reserve, I had several broken ones from this series, the size is 12 mm approximately.
There is an assumption that the size is related to the place of capture - mountain tundra xp. Nurgush.

18.08.2007 10:48, Aleksandr Safronov

REDBOOK, thank you for the photo! I, in general, was surprised by the specified size of 10 mm. At this size, 2 mm is already significant for this beetle. In the determinants, the size variation for this species is 14-23 mm, although I have not seen any specimens less than 15 mm. The fact that this is due to the living conditions is unequivocal. In a good way, it would be nice to study this series carefully, including genital analysis.

18.08.2007 15:55, REDBOOK

23.08.2007 12:05, Furslen

Larvae of Carabus probably generally difficult to distinguish? And you can say for sure that karabus, and not Calosoma, is about this one -