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Speices of the wasps. How to distinguish?

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Chromocenter, 23.07.2006 23:31

That's something I don't understand about these paper wasps-as if there are a lot of similar species that belong to different genera, and maybe even subfamilies.

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24.07.2006 7:27, vespabellicosus

Each species has characteristic identification marks-a pattern on the abdomen: spots or their absence on the platypus (clypeus): the length of the body, which in principle is similar in many species.

24.07.2006 17:51, Chromocenter

And what if there are no other signs of identification on the abdomen besides pols? Actually, maybe even the nests are different in structure. By the way, I saw a lot of photos of the same type somewhere, and some of them had them, but others didn't.

25.07.2006 9:32, vespabellicosus

Yes, for example, in P. dominulus , and in other species, the patterns on the platbands may differ. As for the nests, they differ in structure and placement method. For example, the genus Dolichovespula is mainly air-nesting wasps. So if in the temperate zone of Europe and Russia they saw a nest on the branches of trees or bushes - you can safely define them as the construction of one of the species of this genus. Although,of course, they can settle in the ground, hollows, etc. The genus Vespula-German,common and red - in our conditions always settle in the ground and occasionally in other places - in attics, for example,but never openly. V. crabro also always gna - xia in sheltered places, although many tropical hornets settle openly in the foliage of trees. But all these signs are relevant only for the temperate zone of Eurasia. So, for example, germanica introduced to the tropics of Australia and New Zealand began to settle there openly in the crowns of trees - which it never did in its homeland - in Europe. You can talk a lot more about nesting, but it will take up a lot of space.
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20.08.2006 14:15, Охотник за осами

I once had forest wasps in my dacha.the subspecies is also called dwarf hornets, they have red stripes near the wings, a working individual the size of a uterus in ordinary wasps always settles open

20.08.2006 20:54, vespabellicosus

I have never encountered such large ones, but I noticed some differences in color in forest wasps in Tatarstan. Usually there they are light yellow in color, small in size, nests are usually in the ground , and the wasps themselves are extremely peaceful. But one day I came across a slightly different variation. They were undoubtedly also forest wasps - but the workers were larger than usual, bright orange in color, and even a little like hornets in color. The nest was located in the attic. Also, unlike the other nests , the wasps were quite vicious in this one. It is a pity that we could not save these individuals for comparison.

24.08.2006 16:41, Охотник за осами

It is possible they are very angry, I poured them out of the hose, so the wasp guessed that it was me, and flew to me, but I used the first rule of beekeeping-I froze, the wasp circled,circled and flew away

06.09.2006 17:15, Охотник за осами

Belikozus is healthy and you have white hornets

08.09.2006 20:43, vespabellicosus

Hey, Hunter! What are these white hornets??!!

09.09.2006 11:56, Охотник за осами

in short, go to any search program, go to the image search, write Bald faced hornets, and you will be surprised, I guarantee!for example and yahoo

09.09.2006 23:56, Bad Den

in short, go to any search program, go to the image search, write Bald faced hornets, and you will be surprised, I guarantee!for example and yahoo

So this is the North American Vespula (=Dolichovespula ?) maculata, where did we get it from?

10.09.2006 12:18, vespabellicosus

Hunter. Well, so I would write that this is a good old spotted wasp D. maculata. Unfortunately, this is a non-arctic species , so we don't have it. Although, I think, the probability of survival in our climate with random intoduction is undoubtedly there.

15.09.2006 14:32, Охотник за осами

here in Kazakhstan I found a nest of Dolikovespul, all of them were completely black except for the head which was yellow

16.09.2006 4:57, vespabellicosus

Perhaps it was the average wasp. Some of our medium-sized workers have completely black bellies with very narrow yellow rings.

19.09.2006 14:39, Охотник за осами

And yet what kind of appearance looks like vespula rufa (red wasp) but the size is slightly larger than the German and instead of all the yellow pigmentation is white, and the first two segments are completely red and the rest are black and white, then black stripes are not in the form of a wedge but rather smooth plos,the head is also black and white, the view is very rare

20.09.2006 8:33, vespabellicosus

Here is our Far Eastern Vespula shidai, whose photo you asked for. Photo from a Japanese website.

Pictures:
picture: sidakurosuzume.jpg
sidakurosuzume.jpg — (31.38к)

20.09.2006 22:47, Охотник за осами

But one nuance of it is like a red wasp, the two upper segments are red,and in general it is

20.09.2006 23:08, Охотник за осами

vespula shidai geographical race of vulgaris, in my opinion, since the difference in the size of the uterus and the working wasp is the same as that of vulgaris

21.09.2006 6:50, vespabellicosus

I don't know about Russ - if the scientists have separated it into a separate species , then it's true. I once caught her working while serving in the Far East-in a training camp near Khabarovsk. First impression - a rather small wasp, pale, a little like a vulgaris in reality. But the drawing of the abdomen is still different.

21.09.2006 8:57, AVA

2 vespabellicosus and the Fishhunter

To avoid problems with definitions, I can advise you to make it a rule to get acquainted with the original descriptions, definition tables, and existing summaries.
Among the Russian-speaking ones, it is probably best for you to look at "Determinant of insects of the Russian Far East" Vol. 4, part 1.
With best wishes... beer.gif

21.09.2006 16:51, vespabellicosus

Thanks for the advice. Basically, I have good photos of almost all of our Far Eastern operating systems, with the exception of Polistes deaconovi. I'd love to see it. I just doubt that the Internet has scans < We have only two parts in Cheboksary - without hymenoptera.

22.09.2006 13:37, Охотник за осами

Have you ever found nests of white wasps?

23.09.2006 8:36, vespabellicosus

Not yet. Interestingly, there is also a black and white vespula in North America-Vespula consobrina.

13.10.2006 21:39, Охотник за осами

I just found the name of my white and red wasp Paravespula rufa

16.10.2006 15:06, vespabellicosus

Well, it's good that the view is set. Our rufa are similar, but not pure white, but rather pale yellow in color.

16.10.2006 19:50, Охотник за осами

I can say that my species Paraespula rufa (n) is a geographic race, I would call this species Vespula rufa Tyan-schanica (Tien-Shan) because this wasp is not found anywhere here is what this wasp looks like

Pictures:
picture: Vespula_Rufa.jpg
Vespula_Rufa.jpg — (139.83к)

16.10.2006 20:22, Bad Den

I can say that my species Paraespula rufa (n) is a geographic race, I would call this species Vespula rufa Tyan-schanica (Tien-Shan) because this wasp is not found anywhere here is what this wasp looks like

Hunter, I am tormented by vague doubts, You edited the photo in Photoshop Vespula shidai? eek.gif wink.gif

16.10.2006 20:44, Tigran Oganesov

Photojab lol.gifI should have taken another photo wink.gif

17.10.2006 19:23, Охотник за осами

Yes, I did it in Photoshop, since there are no photos of this wasp, then I made a visual view based on the existing ones,I'm not saying that this is an actual photo of this wasp,I just wanted to show how it looks

17.10.2006 19:25, Охотник за осами

I even wrote for the ica HERE'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE!NOT THIS PHOTO OF A WASP!

22.10.2006 20:19, taler

Mdyaya...Clever idea...But I still hope that they exist..

23.10.2006 0:48, Chromocenter

Hunter, I don't understand something: Google by the name of Vespula rufa gives somewhat different pictures to yours - what it gives is quite similar to Vespa Germanica, and in general the position of spots and stripes is quite variable.

23.10.2006 17:01, Охотник за осами

well, yes, at the expense of spots and stripes, this is variable - there are striped and there are peak-shaped drawings,there are also transitional drawings of varying degrees from striped to peak-shaped, but the main combination of white black red colors is interesting, it is very difficult to catch this wasp, it is very shy, rarely found, but I promise that next summer I will watch it find it!

06.12.2006 20:19, Guest

Yes, the longing is green, no one wants to communicate with wasps weep.gif frown.gif

06.12.2006 20:29, Chromocenter

So winter - what wasps are there now? However, I remember that they moved a little on their nest even when there was a slight minus ... (This is not here, it was still in Baku)

08.12.2006 10:19, Охотник за осами

so let's share the memory of our summer experience with you

09.03.2007 13:38, алекс 2611

I don't understand, what's the problem with the Vespids? It seems that Vespid caught almost everyone and according to the good old green determinant, everyone is different. The main thing is to pay less attention to the color, and more on the size of the cheeks and the shape of the trim.... Or is this a problem with Far Eastern species?

17.04.2007 19:55, Охотник за осами

This view that I have depicted is found only around the Tien Shan Mountains

18.04.2007 20:11, алекс 2611

This view that I drew is only found around the Tien Shan Mountains



Guilty, wrong.... mol.gif

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