E-mail: Password: Create an Account Recover password

About Authors Contacts Get involved Русская версия

show

Notodonta torva and Notodonta ziczac

Community and Forum → Taxonomy. Classification → Notodonta torva and Notodonta ziczac

bials, 05.09.2011 21:28

I created this topic because I have long been tormented by some doubts about the definition of this or that type of photo.
I have already asked a question about Notodonta torva and Notodonta ziczac caterpillars in the topic of determining larvae and pupae, but they either do not know or did not notice my question.
I think this topic is necessary because there are a lot of butterflies and caterpillars, the differences of which are insignificant, or not noticeable at first glance.
So, no matter how much I looked at the photos of the sites that identify Notodonta torva and Notodonta ziczac caterpillars, I didn't find any differences.
I also don't understand the differences in adult caterpillars of Clostera pigra and Clostera curtula, and how to distinguish different harpies at the caterpillar stage?

Comments

05.09.2011 22:30, okoem

So, no matter how much I looked at the photos of the sites that identify Notodonta torva and Notodonta ziczac caterpillars, I didn't find any differences.

Differences should probably be found at the level of very small details of the structure, which are not noticeable in the photo, but are noticeable under binoculars.

08.09.2011 18:55, Коллекционер

.. and also how to distinguish different harpies at the caterpillar stage?

I would also be interested.. and then I picked up caterpillars, I thought there would be large harpies, but they took and pupated before reaching even 4-5 cm

08.09.2011 22:55, Sungaya

As far as I understand, torva has a characteristic yellow/orange pattern, which ziczac does not have (or it is of a different shape)
picture: Untitled_1.jpg
Clostera curtula and C. pigra are generally different. This is clearly visible here:
curtula
pigra
and small harpies are a mystery to me, too.

This post was edited by Sungaya - 08.09.2011 22: 55

16.01.2013 15:50, Noctua

As far as I understand, torva has a characteristic yellow/orange pattern, which ziczac does not have (or it is of a different shape)
picture: Untitled_1.jpg
Clostera curtula and C. pigra are generally different. This is clearly visible here:
curtula
pigra
and small harpies are a mystery to me, too.

Ziczac itself is orange with pink, so there this pattern on the back is more likely to merge with the background.
I suffer with small harpies myself. I have photographed many such caterpillars, but I have only bred two Furcula furcula, so there is nothing to compare the other species with.
The same problem, by the way, with Pheosia tremula / gnoma, since the first species is extremely izmechivy (discussed this with Irina Dolinskaya).

16.01.2013 21:48, Pavel Morozov

Here, links to lepiforum.de

http://lepiforum.de/cgi-bin/lepiwiki.pl?Notodonta_Ziczac
http://lepiforum.de/cgi-bin/lepiwiki.pl?Notodonta_Torva
The zigzag track is seen as variable and with a more contrasting pattern. The zigzag has a clearer longitudinal stripe on its side.

This post was edited by Morozzz - 16.01.2013 21: 54

New comment

Note: you should have a Insecta.pro account to upload new topics and comments. Please, create an account or log in to add comments.

* Our website is multilingual. Some comments have been translated from other languages.

Random species of the website catalog

Insecta.pro: international entomological community. Terms of use and publishing policy.

Project editor in chief and administrator: Peter Khramov.

Curators: Konstantin Efetov, Vasiliy Feoktistov, Svyatoslav Knyazev, Evgeny Komarov, Stan Korb, Alexander Zhakov.

Moderators: Vasiliy Feoktistov, Evgeny Komarov, Dmitriy Pozhogin, Alexandr Zhakov.

Thanks to all authors, who publish materials on the website.

© Insects catalog Insecta.pro, 2007—2024.

Species catalog enables to sort by characteristics such as expansion, flight time, etc..

Photos of representatives Insecta.

Detailed insects classification with references list.

Few themed publications and a living blog.