Pieris rapae: we need specimen from Russia

And how can the analysis of modern material achieve this goal?

And how can the analysis of modern material achieve this goal?

There are plenty of options. For example, you can collect it now and collect it in 10 years and analyze the difference. You can try to extract something from the material collected 50 or 100 years ago. You can pop. - gen. research is easy to do.

This is not my project, it is better to look at the site and ask questions to active participants there. I believe that the goal is not just one specific question, but to collect material from a huge territory and then use this array to solve various problems - the further you go,the more questions that can be solved by molecular biological methods.

I would like to see at least some scientific publications on this project!??
And if it is productive - send your whiteflies.

This is not my project, but Sean Ryan's. I just took a look, the publications of his laboratory are here: http://www.theryanlab.com/publications.html , but I don't see it on the whitewash, maybe it's just collecting material so far (which is logical: first collecting, then publishing).

Can you ask him a question directly?

I would like to see at least some scientific publications on this project!??
And if it is productive - send your whiteflies.

I would like to see at least some scientific publications on this project!??
And if it is productive - send your whiteflies.

And don't look. Another "British scientist".
Well, what "changes in modern conditions" can be seen in 20 collectible individuals of the turnip? They will give a "secular" variability during a mass summer from one glade.

that's just your advice I really wanted to hear! )))

a sort of Russian shtetl - sit on your data collected around the hummock, and do not show anyone...

A person with the help of the community collects material from vast territories, which alone would be simply unrealistic to do. This gives a completely unimaginable scale and level of representation 30 years ago. So it finally becomes possible to analyze biological phenomena on a continental scale. No, we will still grumble, ignore, and make jokes.

And don't look. Another "British scientist".
Well, what "changes in modern conditions" can be seen in 20 collectible individuals of the turnip? They will give a "secular" variability during a mass summer from one glade.

....A person with the help of the community collects material from vast territories, which alone would be simply unrealistic to do. This gives a completely unimaginable scale and level of representation 30 years ago. So it finally becomes possible to analyze biological phenomena on a continental scale....

From" vast territories", it is possible to identify geographical variability and describe subspecies. But in relation to the turnip, this was done a long time ago, and it does not have so many changeable spots to describe more subspecies only from collector's specimens. And to detect variability in time, you need to compare the material for at least 1000 years. This is a matter of the very distant future. Alternatively, you can compare the material with relatively clean and polluted places with a specific and known chemistry. Therefore, there is no scientific sense in the grant-making fuss of a "British scientist". Again, I'll give you some advice - before you serve every Pindos rogue you meet, ask your senior colleagues from St. Petersburg State University.

May I ask you not to give me unsolicited advice? if you don't mind, please.

From" vast territories", it is possible to identify geographical variability and describe subspecies. But in relation to the turnip, this was done a long time ago, and it does not have so many changeable spots to describe more subspecies only from collector's specimens. And to detect variability in time, you need to compare the material for at least 1000 years. This is a matter of the very distant future. Alternatively, you can compare the material with relatively clean and polluted places with a specific and known chemistry. Therefore, there is no scientific sense in the grant-making fuss of a "British scientist". Again, I'll give you a tip - before you serve every Pindos rogue you meet, ask your senior colleagues from St. Petersburg State University.

From" vast territories", it is possible to identify geographical variability and describe subspecies. But in relation to the turnip, this was done a long time ago, and it does not have so many changeable spots to describe more subspecies only from collector's specimens. And to detect variability in time, you need to compare the material for at least 1000 years. This is a matter of the very distant future. Alternatively, you can compare the material with relatively clean and polluted places with a specific and known chemistry. Therefore, there is no scientific sense in the grant-making fuss of a "British scientist". Again, I'll give you a tip - before you serve every Pindos rogue you meet, ask your senior colleagues from St. Petersburg State University.

The main objectives of the project today are:
1. Search for genes related to adaptation to new living conditions in invasion sites.
2. Find out where exactly Pieris rapae invaded the United States, and whether this event took place once or several times.
3. To investigate changes in the phenotype under new environmental conditions. First of all, check whether the supply of nitrogen due to human activity affects the" amount " of pterins in the color of butterflies. Roughly speaking, to answer the question of whether they become whiter where there is a lot of nitrogen fertilizers and car exhaust.

Goal: to create the most complete collection of a single species, which will help you solve a number of adaptation tasks or something similar.

The project's mission, super goal , is the development of citizen science. Involving people (primarily non-scientists) in citizen science.

This is a project in the field of civil science. Its value lies in the fact that students in biology class or members of a circle of young scientists, together with the teacher, can collect butterflies, send them to a certain Sean Ryan, they will be sent a thank-you letter, they will go to the project website and see a marker on the map near their city/village, they will feel involved in a big cause. They will tell their parents about their achievement, be happy, write something new in the school essay "What I did in the summer", and become better.

This post was edited by KazakovMaksim - 01.06.2018 02: 53

KazakovMaksim, this is all fine, but only at the level of the magazine "Murzilka".
Do you know how much it costs to send a parcel with biomaterial to Pindostan? And also to prove that there are just butterflies, and not strains of sib. ulcers to poison the" most democratic " inhabitants of the world?
How much time should naive butterfly catchers spend catching turnips, while how can they do more useful things? For example, by studying regional faunas.
And all for "thank you". And Sean will put the money for the grant in his bank account.
According to items 1, 2 - this does not require such a huge amount of material. 5 butterflies from different regions are enough.
According to item 3-if you have an idea of what a turnip is, then you understand that this is a weakly "painted" and not very variable species, far from the best object for studying phenotypic variability. I wrote above that all this variability can manifest itself in a mass series from one place-especially with an uneven composition of biotopes.
In addition, it is obvious that the fees should be accompanied by information on chemical contamination. Mr. Musolin did not write anything about this. And even if I did, who, how, and at whose expense should I measure them? This is a very expensive treat!
In addition, there are areas in our country where there are military production facilities, and the composition of emissions can be secret.

someone has a very wild imagination and a lot of free time )) and I took care of the pollution, and the security of the country, and counted other people's money 3 times ))

people responded to this request and sent the material to me. sending it to the United States was quite inexpensive - either 150 rubles, or 200-I don't even remember. it's all very simple.